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Draconian~Nymph · 12-23-2006, 09:20 PM

I read them all like, a minimum of 4 times. Except for the 6th one which I only got through once because of school and stuff.

IMO, there's no way Harry's going to survive. The books closely follow that traditional sort of plotline (kind of like an Aristotelian tragedy) with the pure good vs. blackest evil sort of thing, and in those kinds of stories, the hero generally dies.

While the prophecy means just what Jane said; they can't coexist peacefully, which means that they're going to try to kill each other. But I think Jo's going to make some sort of a twist where the only way Harry can kill Voldemort is if he dies himself. Besides, otherwise she'd have little fangirls and boys begging her to keep writing books for eternity.

I have a whole theory of how it's going to play out after Harry destroys all the Horcruxes. Jo's obviously very big into incorporating myths and legends from around the world in her books, so you just need to look at those for clues.

There's an old British myth about the cauldron of Pwyll, Welsh lord of the underworld, which granted immortality. The mouth of the cauldron (in legends throughout history) is viewed as the gateway to the underworld, from which life emerges and death returns. In this myth, the Irish hero Bran gave the cauldron to the the corrupt king of Ireland, who used it to create an inexhaustible supply of undead soldiers, much like the Inferi in Harry Potter. (These soldiers were also mute). If one was cut down in battle, all the king had to do was put a body part into the cauldron, and a new soldier would emerge. The king's army, therefore, could never be defeated unless the cauldron was destroyed.

However, in an act of heroism, Bran's half-brother jumped into the cauldron, which destroyed it, but took his own life. Because only the dead were allowed to enter the cauldron (as the dead went through the cauldron as a path to the underworld), when a living person entered it, he died and the cauldron was destroyed.

And with the whole Voldemort regaining his body by coming out of a cauldron, I'd say this tale is going to be EXTREMELY related to the outcome in the books. Otherwise, why a cauldron? The way Jo writes, there's pretty much a reason for everything.

It's also interesting to note that JKR said that something "EXTREMELY" important would be revealed about Lily Potter in Book 6, when the only noteworthy thing seemed to be that she was good at Potions.

I also think that with the whole gateway to the underworld thing, the cauldron and the veil that Sirius Black fell through in the Department of Mysteries are closely related.
This isn't really supported in the books by anything in particular, but I think the Ministry of Magic tried to create their own cauldron of sorts (though it would be an extreme case of Dark Magic) as a form of formal execution, just like they noted in Book 6 about how the room with the veil in it seemed like an execution chamber.

Oh, and going back to Harry, do you really think he could kill Voldemort himself? Other than being "The Chosen One" he's really a normal wizard, and the only truly outstanding thing about him is is bravery. Such bravery that maybe Voldemort wouldn't count on, that he'd give his own life by jumping into the cauldron or something, which could in turn destroy Voldemort. I have no doubt that Jo will twist the legend somewhat to suit her needs, but that's what I think anyway. Using Avada Kedavra breaks your soul in pieces, and Harry's too noble for that as a hero. He'd have to indirectly kill Voldemort in order to preserve his heroic purity.

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Draconian~Nymph Fledgling Post Monkey Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Living under a tree with Heather in the Boston Common Age: 18 Posts: 1,703 Points: 1,266.06 Bank: 64,186.66 Total Points: 65,452.72 Donate	I read them all like, a minimum of 4 times. Except for the 6th one which I only got through once because of school and stuff. IMO, there's no way Harry's going to survive. The books closely follow that traditional sort of plotline (kind of like an Aristotelian tragedy) with the pure good vs. blackest evil sort of thing, and in those kinds of stories, the hero generally dies. While the prophecy means just what Jane said; they can't coexist peacefully, which means that they're going to try to kill each other. But I think Jo's going to make some sort of a twist where the only way Harry can kill Voldemort is if he dies himself. Besides, otherwise she'd have little fangirls and boys begging her to keep writing books for eternity. I have a whole theory of how it's going to play out after Harry destroys all the Horcruxes. Jo's obviously very big into incorporating myths and legends from around the world in her books, so you just need to look at those for clues. There's an old British myth about the cauldron of Pwyll, Welsh lord of the underworld, which granted immortality. The mouth of the cauldron (in legends throughout history) is viewed as the gateway to the underworld, from which life emerges and death returns. In this myth, the Irish hero Bran gave the cauldron to the the corrupt king of Ireland, who used it to create an inexhaustible supply of undead soldiers, much like the Inferi in Harry Potter. (These soldiers were also mute). If one was cut down in battle, all the king had to do was put a body part into the cauldron, and a new soldier would emerge. The king's army, therefore, could never be defeated unless the cauldron was destroyed. However, in an act of heroism, Bran's half-brother jumped into the cauldron, which destroyed it, but took his own life. Because only the dead were allowed to enter the cauldron (as the dead went through the cauldron as a path to the underworld), when a living person entered it, he died and the cauldron was destroyed. And with the whole Voldemort regaining his body by coming out of a cauldron, I'd say this tale is going to be EXTREMELY related to the outcome in the books. Otherwise, why a cauldron? The way Jo writes, there's pretty much a reason for everything. It's also interesting to note that JKR said that something "EXTREMELY" important would be revealed about Lily Potter in Book 6, when the only noteworthy thing seemed to be that she was good at Potions. I also think that with the whole gateway to the underworld thing, the cauldron and the veil that Sirius Black fell through in the Department of Mysteries are closely related. This isn't really supported in the books by anything in particular, but I think the Ministry of Magic tried to create their own cauldron of sorts (though it would be an extreme case of Dark Magic) as a form of formal execution, just like they noted in Book 6 about how the room with the veil in it seemed like an execution chamber. Oh, and going back to Harry, do you really think he could kill Voldemort himself? Other than being "The Chosen One" he's really a normal wizard, and the only truly outstanding thing about him is is bravery. Such bravery that maybe Voldemort wouldn't count on, that he'd give his own life by jumping into the cauldron or something, which could in turn destroy Voldemort. I have no doubt that Jo will twist the legend somewhat to suit her needs, but that's what I think anyway. Using Avada Kedavra breaks your soul in pieces, and Harry's too noble for that as a hero. He'd have to indirectly kill Voldemort in order to preserve his heroic purity. __________________ These penguins own your life. PURPLE PARROTS Last edited by Draconian~Nymph : 12-23-2006 at 09:29 PM.