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Old 07-30-2007, 07:16 PM   #81 (permalink)
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How does she not pull it off better than other women in rock.

who pulls it off better than ha.

People that actually appreciate her will be happy that she put in the effort.

who does as many shows as amy without destroying there voice in that 9 months.

Amy was never Broken she came back fine next show.

Even perfect technique can not prevent you from loosing you voice over 9 months straight touring and plenty of opera singers end up with cysts.

Sharon was taught by a proffessional opera singer for a while and she was apart of a choir for a couple of years and she cant even pull of a quater of the shows amy can without loosing her voice.

Not to mention the strain of amy's belt compared to sharons light vocals COMPARE THAT.
I can think of quite a few singers who can sing perform better. Go listen to a live performance of Lacuna Coil or Nightwish (when Tarja was still in it, I haven't heard Anette yet). Cristina, Tarja and Marco (Andrea needs a bit of training) can live up to the studio recordings. That means that unlike Amy, they don't need all that mixing and editing to make their voices sound good. The reason why Amy's always belting is because she can't hold a note otherwise. She has to draaaaag ouuut evvveeerrry syyyllaaable and/or sing from her nose to even get through a song. If she used good technique, then she wouldn't have to strain her voice by belting in the first place.

It's not like it would hurt to learn good technique. You say it like it's a bad thing, when in fact, good technique is what's going to make her sound better and though it won't make her immune to loosing her voice, it'll slow it down and keep her from injuring herself. Not bothering to learn good technique is like buying a chainsaw without reading the users' manual, you're going to get yourself hurt.

I'm a violinist and I sucked up until I took private lessons where I learned good technique. When I learned the proper way to hold the violin, to listen to pitches and correct myself, to hold the bow properly, it made a huge difference. Without it, I would still be playing shyly, out of tune and risk injuring myself (you really can injure yourself if you have bad posture and don't hold it properly, it's nerve compression and repetative stress injury).

Oh yeah, I also thinks that Amy should realize that she's a musician first and foremost (or so she says, no wait, she an "artist") so she's getting paid to sing and not run and jump around on stage. She should at least know her limits. I'm sick of hearing all these excuses from fans like "Oh, she must be sick." or "She's rocking out, if she was just going to stand and do nothing but sing, I'd just stay home and listen to the CD." or "She's only human, nobody's perfect!". There are other singers who sound so much better and they're human too, they get sick too and they can do a fair amount of rocking out. This might come out as a bit harsh, but I'm just giving my honest opinion, Amy's a professional singer, singing and taking care of her voice is her job and there should be no excuses.

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Old 07-30-2007, 08:47 PM   #82 (permalink)
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amy actually sounded pretty decent the two showsi went to (hartford and mansfield)

definite improvement from the previous shows ive seen, especially the footage from the begining of the FVT

however, there is always room for improvement and ithink more vocal lessons/training would vastly improve her live singing and only help protect her voice in the future.
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:59 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Just reading through the posts... WHY does Sharon den Adel have to be dragged into EVERY conversation about Amy live?? It's ridiculous!
Off Topic A Bit And as for the comment that says Sharon only does "a quarter" of the shows Amy does... WT have been around for over ten years, they do a YEARLY tour and festival run, they do VERY major festival regularly, and yet den Adel is on par over 90% of the time. And the only training she has had is breathing training. I'm sorry if all this comes across as bitchy, but you should research your facts before you make a statement like that.
And back to the point of the thread, Amy NEEDS vocal training...now. I've seen them live twice and both times I was terribly disappointed. Its not fair to expect fans to pay money to see you and then spend the concert wailing and screeching. Even on youtube, the performances are sub-par. The only good performance I can find is the ABH DVD, and even then, it's only a few songs. And, of course, the strange fanatical fans are coming up with excuse after excuse. "Amy was tired, Amy was sick, the drummer was too loud, you're just jealous, she's on tour OF COURSE shes not gonna be perfect" and so on, ad nausem. I love this band on CD, but she needs to sort out her technique before she drives the band completely into the ground.
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:00 AM   #84 (permalink)
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Just reading through the posts... WHY does Sharon den Adel have to be dragged into EVERY conversation about Amy live?? It's ridiculous!
Off Topic A Bit And as for the comment that says Sharon only does "a quarter" of the shows Amy does... WT have been around for over ten years, they do a YEARLY tour and festival run, they do VERY major festival regularly, and yet den Adel is on par over 90% of the time. And the only training she has had is breathing training. I'm sorry if all this comes across as bitchy, but you should research your facts before you make a statement like that.
And back to the point of the thread, Amy NEEDS vocal training...now. I've seen them live twice and both times I was terribly disappointed. Its not fair to expect fans to pay money to see you and then spend the concert wailing and screeching. Even on youtube, the performances are sub-par. The only good performance I can find is the ABH DVD, and even then, it's only a few songs. And, of course, the strange fanatical fans are coming up with excuse after excuse. "Amy was tired, Amy was sick, the drummer was too loud, you're just jealous, she's on tour OF COURSE shes not gonna be perfect" and so on, ad nausem. I love this band on CD, but she needs to sort out her technique before she drives the band completely into the ground.

have you listened to amy in acoustic versions i sugget you go straight to youtube and type in EVANESCENCE ITALIA SESSIONS these acoustics show how perfect amy's voice can be. ALSO check out EVANESCENCE AT ZEPP TOKYO which was a very good performance by amy.

Go and count up all the concert dates and you will see wt have done a quater to a half of the amount of shows Ev have done.

AS for TARJA TURUNEN she would never perform more than 2-3 shows a week so she could preserve her voice
NW havent generally toured much.

im not sure about Lacuna coil but if you check there concert dates i doubt they do half the amount aswell.

Belting is a form of singing it's not due to bad technique, its used by broadway singers IE AMY and she has probably the most powerful voice out of any of these ladies but yes her voice does need a bit of polish.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:37 AM   #85 (permalink)
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Um have you heard Tarja Turunen live? Her voice is like, ten times as powerful as Amy's.

Also, if Amy's shit performnaces are a result of touring too hard then it's in her best interest to cut down on touring. Sure it's admirable that she works so hard (unless it's just for the glory, or the money) but at the same token its stupid. You can reason it whatever way you want but the fact remains that her performances are simply not up to par a good 60%. Regardless of why it is, it's really not acceptable; the fans pay for a good show and that womn needs to fix herself.

And finally, for the month of August Ev are doing 20 shows. For the month of September (WT are pretty much taking agust off) Within Temptation are doing 14. That's hardly a 'quarter'. Don't exaggerate like that, when it comes to proving a oint it doesn't help you at all.
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Um have you heard Tarja Turunen live? Her voice is like, ten times as powerful as Amy's.

Also, if Amy's shit performnaces are a result of touring too hard then it's in her best interest to cut down on touring. Sure it's admirable that she works so hard (unless it's just for the glory, or the money) but at the same token its stupid. You can reason it whatever way you want but the fact remains that her performances are simply not up to par a good 60%. Regardless of why it is, it's really not acceptable; the fans pay for a good show and that womn needs to fix herself.

And finally, for the month of August Ev are doing 20 shows. For the month of September (WT are pretty much taking agust off) Within Temptation are doing 14. That's hardly a 'quarter'. Don't exaggerate like that, when it comes to proving a oint it doesn't help you at all.
Tarja turunen only has a powerful voice in her very operatic range particularly in the phantom of the opera but still amy's belt in most of the songs live are much more powerful what about the chorus of all that im living for and the doors cover.

i wasnt talking about WT or EV monthy tours im talking about the BEGGINNING of the tour till the END.

Amy's voice when youre at the concert always sounds decent maybe except Israel but its when you here the recording that it may not sound as good as you expect. After being to 3 ev concerts i know that fact.

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Tarja turunen only has a powerful voice in her very operatic range particularly in the phantom of the opera but still amy's belt in most of the songs live are much more powerful what about the chorus of all that im living for and the doors cover.

i wasnt talking about WT or EV monthy tours im talking about the BEGGINNING of the tour till the END.

Amy's voice when youre at the concert always sounds decent maybe except Israel but its when you here the recording that it may not sound as good as you expect. After being to 3 ev concerts i know that fact.
Oh, you've counted up every WT show this tour and compared that figure to Ev. Riiggghht.

Israel was indeed the worst I've ever heard Amy but off the top of my head there's Rock AM Ring, Pinkpop, Download (download her voice was ok but she was so off key most of the time it' not funny) and that's just the crap I've forced myself to listen too.

And I too always presumed the quality of Amy's voice was lost through live recording also, but after comparing the video's of Brisbane this year to the actual performance I can tell you that aint so. What you see is what you get.

I went to 4/7 shows in Australia back in Feb, and I watched her voice go from unbeliveable one night to really, really average the next. She's so inconsistant it's not funny!
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Oh, you've counted up every WT show this tour and compared that figure to Ev. Riiggghht.

Israel was indeed the worst I've ever heard Amy but off the top of my head there's Rock AM Ring, Pinkpop, Download (download her voice was ok but she was so off key most of the time it' not funny) and that's just the crap I've forced myself to listen too.

And I too always presumed the quality of Amy's voice was lost through live recording also, but after comparing the video's of Brisbane this year to the actual performance I can tell you that aint so. What you see is what you get.

I went to 4/7 shows in Australia back in Feb, and I watched her voice go from unbeliveable one night to really, really average the next. She's so inconsistant it's not funny!
Amy is inconsistent and like we have all agreed she definetly needs some training, but i think people are exaggerating, i would say amy's performances are decent 50% of the time excellent 20% and bad 30%.

I think she pulls if off well alot but when her voice is tired she's not very good. But in saying that i have always wondered why amy performs so well in acoustics and not aswell on satge and its because she moves around so much and runs out of breath, you can hear that on nearly every recording, but i think another big downfall for amy is she cant hear herself properly over the band.

I just went on youtube and picked out this random Going under form FVT and i think its pretty damn good.

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Through my eyes, I don't know if you've ever been to broadway, but Amy is the farthest from a broadway singer it's not even funny. Trust me on this.I don't care how much you love Amy, it doesn't make her any closer to being a broadway singer.
Ill have you know that a broadway singer isnt just someone that performs on broadway its a classification of how you sing amy is a belter just like most rock and pop females today making her a broadway singer.
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