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Old 04-29-2004, 12:44 AM   Do you have Straight Pride? Post #1
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Do you have Straight Pride?

A group on campus held a "Straight Pride Rally", it wasn’t condemning other lifestyles. But this group who held it was criticized for hosting the event by various groups and people. Why do some people get so offended when the majority shows pride in its convictions? Is there validity in the objections to the “Straight Pride Rally”?

This debate is not over gay marriage. It is over amount of expression the majority is able to show and how it conflicts with the amount of expression the minority can show by society's standards.
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Old 04-29-2004, 01:08 AM   Do you have Straight Pride? Post #2
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Whoever held the straight pride rally was looking for trouble. What would they expect if they held a "white pride" rally? Anyway, I'm sick of rallies and demonstrations, period. I don't care what the issue is, or what side you're on, please don't have a protest. Protests suck major ass.





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Old 04-29-2004, 01:26 AM   Do you have Straight Pride? Post #3
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A group on campus held a "Straight Pride Rally", it wasn’t condemning other lifestyles. But this group who held it was criticized for hosting the event by various groups and people. Why do some people get so offended when the majority shows pride in its convictions? Is there validity in the objections to the “Straight Pride Rally”?

This debate is not over gay marriage. It is over amount of expression the majority is able to show and how it conflicts with the amount of expression the minority can show by society's standards.
Why would anyone have a Straight Pride Rally, if not to condemn that of other choices? Really, what else could the possibly hope to achieve in this?

Do you think that gays have the Gay Pride Parade so they can all get happy and love eachother all over the street? well maybe they do like that, but that's not really the point. The point is to enlighten something that has been oppressed for generations, and is finally getting recognized as it's own right.

Honestly, there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to have a parade of that choice, but I would think it's pretty pointless, and I would also think anyone involved in that are a bunch of asses.
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Old 04-29-2004, 08:40 AM   Do you have Straight Pride? Post #4
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So all majority groups do is criticize? Is there anything wrong with me taking pride in the fact that I'm a white, protestant American with Irish and German heritage? yay for WASPs! (for those of you who don't know a WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) There's just as much cultural depth and conviction within the majority as there is in the minority. Get used to it.
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Old 04-29-2004, 09:43 AM   Do you have Straight Pride? Post #5
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Whoever held the straight pride rally was looking for trouble. What would they expect if they held a "white pride" rally? Anyway, I'm sick of rallies and demonstrations, period. I don't care what the issue is, or what side you're on, please don't have a protest. Protests suck major ass.





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They used to mean something. They used to be about, well, protesting--protesting actions of government or businesses. Now it seems like an excuse for angsty protein-deficient teens to get together and commit senseless acts of violence and noise pollution.

I suppose what's good for the goose is good for the gander. But I don't see the point in a "straight pride" rally. Gay rallies are done to get people to be more tolerant of them, etc.
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:11 AM   Do you have Straight Pride? Post #6
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and all this time i thought it was wildly anti-social pagan










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Old 04-29-2004, 11:50 AM   Do you have Straight Pride? Post #7
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People in minority groups have parades and marches to make statements about their beliefs and lifestyles. Why? Because they don't think they're being heard. Who aren't they being heard by? The Majority.

So, a minority group holds activities to draw the attention of the majority to their position.

Who the hell are The Majority trying to impress? The only reason a group of white, anglo-saxon, protestant males would ever get together to celebrate themselves is to parody smaller groups who are trying to make a statement.

It's pointless and wrong.

My tuppenceworth there.
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:56 AM   Do you have Straight Pride? Post #8
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Why would anyone have a Straight Pride Rally, if not to condemn that of other choices? Really, what else could the possibly hope to achieve in this?

Do you think that gays have the Gay Pride Parade so they can all get happy and love eachother all over the street? well maybe they do like that, but that's not really the point. The point is to enlighten something that has been oppressed for generations, and is finally getting recognized as it's own right.

Honestly, there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to have a parade of that choice, but I would think it's pretty pointless, and I would also think anyone involved in that are a bunch of asses.
For the same reason homosexuals and lesbians throw a "Gay Pride" rally: Because they can. Living in Toronto, we host one of the largest (if not THE largest) gay pride parade/rally in North America every year. I've seen several, and if there was an "enlightning" message that I was supposed to get from it, between all the nudity, simulated sex/oral sex with dildos, and S&M, I guess it was lost on me.

If these rallies are supposed to make straight people more "tolerant" , then I think they're entirely going about it the wrong way. To quote a local gay columnist, and activist: "But to be proud about the mere fact that you fuck people of your own sex is simply silly and self-indulgent. It isn't an achievement. It isn't even an act of courage -- at least not any more. It's fucking. And if Gay Pride isn't about sex, why is there such an emphasis on naked male musculature and drag queens attempting to be sexy sirens, no matter how unsuccessfully? Trust me, it's a fuckfest; and don't let anyone tell you any different.". Henceforth, why any enlightening message was clearly lost on me.

Personally, I'm sick of rallies altogether. Gay or straight, vegan or meat eater, the often used "in your face" tactics never really work they way people think they do. More often than not, they just seem like an organized excuse for someone to mis-behave, in a politically-acceptable setting.

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Old 04-29-2004, 11:59 AM   Do you have Straight Pride? Post #9
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It is wrong because the majority is heard.


Recently there was a Fair Elections rally at my college over the recent SGA elections (which I won my position) It turned into a white vs black rally because of the stupid ABC affiliate here. It wasn't. People just wanted to make sure that elections were fair and that all rules were recorded. Others made it racist because most of the postions' candidates were white and black (except mine white, frat guy and white, independent girl. I won.) So sick of rallies
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Old 05-01-2004, 02:00 PM   Do you have Straight Pride? Post #10
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I completely understand what you're saying.
It is deemed offensive if straight people celebrate their straightness. I can understand in a sense why this is but I think it's completely uneccessary.
You should be free to celebrate what you are without fear of offending anybody, although there are exceptions to this (no one wants to hold a parade for axe murderers).

It also applies to Whites celebrating their pride. Recently it was St Georges day in England which is a day when the English are supposed to celebrate being English and their history and culture. Unfortunately, many deem it offensive because they believe it to be connected with racism and that if a white person celebrates that then they are obviously racist people. Sorry to rope that in but I just basically wanted to show another example.

It seems that minorities can celebrate simply because they are minorities and because they need to band together to celebrate that but I still think that majorities who choose to celebrate shouldnt be ashamed and fearful to do so.
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