Israel Attacks Lebanon

**TheLady** · 07-13-2006, 06:20 PM

From CNN

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Israeli forces struck Beirut's international airport for the second time Thursday, hitting fuel tanks that exploded into fireballs. The attack came soon after two rockets struck the northern Israeli port of Haifa on a day of spiraling violence and deepening crisis.

Israel Defense Forces said the Haifa rockets came from Lebanon and blamed Hezbollah, whose guerrillas abducted two soldiers and killed eight others one day ealier.

The violent aftermath has claimed the lives of 45 Lebanese civilians and two soldiers, according to the Lebanese health ministry. Subsequent Hezbollah rocket attacks have killed at least two Israelis and wounded 50, according to Israeli ambulance services and police.

Daniel Ayalon, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, said the Haifa attack was "a major, major escalation." "It goes to show that there is no timetable," Ayalon said during a speech in Washington. "We will have to continue with the operation until there is no capability of the Hezbollah to do what they are doing."

Hezbollah, meanwhile, says it has a right to remain on "any part of Lebanese soil." "We intend to send a clear message that we wish not to escalate this conflict by killing civilians," said Naim Qasem, Hezbollah's deputy secretary-general. "But we know that Israel will not stop its aggression until it feels pain. Therefore, they should learn from what happened today. They have failed to protect their cities and their civilians."

Hezbollah earlier had threatened to hit Haifa, but Lebanese TV reported that the militant group denied launching the attack on the city of 280,000.

Ambulance services said no one was hurt in the attack, which -- if confirmed -- would be the first time Hezbollah rockets have hit so deeply into Israeli territory.

Earlier Thursday, Israel's warplanes bombed Beirut's international airport for the first time and its navy began a blockade of Lebanon's ports. Hundreds of targets between the southern border and the capital were attacked, the IDF said. Hezbollah guerrillas fired scores of rockets from Lebanon into northern Israel in the most intense bombardment in years.

Lebanon also said 103 people were hurt by the Israeli attacks, The Associated Press reported. One rocket attack Thursday on the northern Israeli town of Nahariya hit a group of journalists, the AP said.

Both Israel and Lebanon have said the violence amounts to acts of war.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called the attacks and abductions an "act of war" and blamed the Lebanese government, which he said would be held responsible for the two soldiers' safe release.

Who is Hezbollah?

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Hezbollah is a Shiite militant group in Lebanon, regarded by the U.S. and Israel as a terrorist organization.

It is dedicated to eliminating Israel and has formally advocated ultimate establishment of Islamic rule in Lebanon, according to the U.S. State Department

Hezbollah fighters operate with almost total autonomy in southern Lebanon, and the government has no control over their actions, according to The Associated Press. But Lebanon has long resisted international pressure to disarm the group.

The United States and Israel say that Hezbollah is given financial and political assistance, as well as weapons and training, from Iran and Syria. Syria says it supports Hezbollah, but denies supplying it with weapons.

In 2004, Hezbollah exchanged prisoners with Israel in a deal that took three years to negotiate. Israel released more than 400 prisoners and returned 59 bodies of Lebanese fighters. Hezbollah released a kidnapped Israeli businessman and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers.

This whole situation is a nightmare. Since the Lebanese government has no control over their actions, can we hold Lebanon responsible for the actions of Hezbollah? meaning, should Israel be practically declaring war with Lebanon by firing rockets?

And why doesn't there seem to be more outrage, unless of course the American media is shielding us from it. When Palestine launches an attack on Israel, everyone seems to go nuts. But, Israel has now launched an attack on Lebanon, and I don't see much international response.

Obviously the Lebanese political system is complicated. They recognize Hezbollah as a political group, but that group has its own military wing. Lebanon claims not to have control over them, but clearly has not tried to take control. it's like they are using Hezbollah to do their dirty work, but then they can sit back and say "it wasn't us".

I don't fully understand that politics behind this situation, but I do understand that this is not going to be good for Israel. If this becomes an all-out war, there is nothing stopping Syria, Egypt, and Iran from joining the fight.

Israel gave in to Hezbollah's demands and negotiated the release of prisoners 2 years ago. now they are doing the same thing again. I don't think Israel should negotiate, but I certainly don't think they should be firing rockets into Lebanon.

Your thoughts? And please try to stay focussed on Israel and Lebanon now. I don't want this to turn into a USA/Iraq/Afghanistan debate.

Nemo · 07-13-2006, 06:25 PM

As a tiny tid-bit, as I am not 100% caught up on Lebanon-Israeli affairs--

Im scared. Im scared that of all the news I watch- I havent seen this on the news. [Middle East country] threatens Israel and all of America has to stop. Israel attacks [Lebanon] and it seems irrelevant.

Just by looking at it- Id pretty much say, "yeah, war." But then, does this mean America, being Israel's surrogate mother, will have to butt in? Eeeh. Now im really scared. And then how this ties into the whole controversy of Iran and N. Korea's nuclear powers... Im a little fearful of how some events seem to be piling on each other and sorta connecting with each other in a foreboding way. Israel doesnt look promising, at all. Its actually pretty humbling, for me.

Regardless, I think Lebanon itself should take some responsibility for its apparently independent military wing. Or would this cause more problems?

DistantMemories · 07-13-2006, 06:38 PM

I'm scared that now we are going to have to help out in that war too, because i mean the Jewish community is very affectionate to Isreal(rightly so) and i just think that since we are a country that does a lot to appease minorites because we are afraid of discriminatory vibes, we are going to have to go to war over this issue too. I'm sorry, but if this Country starts fighting that war too, i'm moving to Canada. no way am i getting Drafted to fight a war i have no place in. I don't side with Israel because of its past. It has a violent, malevolent past, and i honestly side with the Palestinians and Lebanese. This all started when the Israeli's declared the holy land theirs and invaded Palestine and took some of its land. Since then, it has just been a constant fight between the two. And now the lebonese? its ridiculous. Israel needs to surrender the land it took from Palestine back to the Palestinians, and the Israeli's need to start showing the Muslim populations over there some more respect. its just ridiculous at this point.

**TheLady** · 07-13-2006, 06:41 PM

^Agrees with Nemo^

I've been doing some research, though

U.S. worried Israeli operations could weaken Lebanese government

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The Bush administration has said Iran and Syria bear ultimate responsibility for the violence with its support for the Hezbollah and for Hamas militants battling Israeli forces in Gaza. Hamas' military wing and two other militant groups claimed responsibility for capturing another Israeli soldier on June 25.

The escalation comes as world powers are pushing Iran to accept an international offer of incentives to end its nuclear program or face possible United Nations sanctions.

But as Israeli troops moved into southern Lebanon after the kidnappings, blockading ports and bombing airports, U.S. diplomats hope Israeli leaders will keep long-term regional strategy in mind.

"We are saying, 'Think before you leap. Don't overdo it. Don't respond with emotions and end up bringing the fall of this government and strengthening Hezbollah and bring about another pro-Syrian government,' " said a senior U.S. government official, speaking privately due to the sensitivity of the ongoing diplomacy.

Another senior U.S. official who asked not to be identified, said, "We are telling them to think about how these actions get to where you want to go. Not with just the release of the Israeli soldiers, which is an important short-range goal, but also the long-range goal of peace with your neighbors."

Pro-Syrian leaders and Syrian troops controlled much of Lebanon's affairs for 29 years until last year. National and international pressure prompted Damascus to withdraw its forces after a popular former Lebanese prime minister was assassinated in a car bombing that many Lebanese blamed on Syria.

Olmert called Hezbollah's actions an "act of war" by Lebanon, but U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack says the Bush administration does not hold the Lebanese government responsible, seeing Hezbollah as operating outside the government's authority.

The Bush administration emphasizes Israel's right to defend itself, saying Washington won't tell Israel how to conduct its military operations. "But don't confuse Hezbollah with the Sinora government, which is not responsible for the Hezbollah's actions," said a senior U.S. official who asked not to be named because he's not been authorized to speak publicly.

There has been too much instability in that region for a long time. But it looks like the USA could be on both sides of this disagreement. They are trying to "help" Lebanon get back on its feet by backing a new government, so they can't take sides with Israel. And the USA basically NEEDS a friendly nation in that region, so they can't risk alienating Israel either.

Apparently similar fighting was going on 2 months ago, and has quite possible been an ongoing thing. A cease-fire was agreed to between Israel and the Lebanese government. I think it is gaining media attention now because it has escalated so much over the past 2 days.

**Miles D** · 07-13-2006, 07:23 PM

Israel has every right to defend itself and it's citizens... whether it's against rockets fired by extremists or the senseless abduction of soldiers earmarked as pawns for Iran. But this is a region where violents leads to more violence. Where does the circle end? Why don't people want peace in their hearts?

This may be the trigger that starts World War III. All we need is for more 'allies' to get drawn in (Iran to defend Syria, and the US to help fight w/ Israel in a region with multiple battle fronts).

**TheLady** · 07-13-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DistantMemories

I'm scared that now we are going to have to help out in that war too, because i mean the Jewish community is very affectionate to Isreal(rightly so) and i just think that since we are a country that does a lot to appease minorites because we are afraid of discriminatory vibes, we are going to have to go to war over this issue too. I'm sorry, but if this Country starts fighting that war too, i'm moving to Canada. no way am i getting Drafted to fight a war i have no place in. I don't side with Israel because of its past. It has a violent, malevolent past, and i honestly side with the Palestinians and Lebanese. This all started when the Israeli's declared the holy land theirs and invaded Palestine and took some of its land. Since then, it has just been a constant fight between the two. And now the lebonese? its ridiculous. Israel needs to surrender the land it took from Palestine back to the Palestinians, and the Israeli's need to start showing the Muslim populations over there some more respect. its just ridiculous at this point.

So, you think Israel should take no action against Lebanon, whose militants keep firing rockets into their land? That's right, THEIR land. Need some history:

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587 BCE Destruction of the first Temple.

538-333 BCE Return of the exiled Jews from Babylon and construction of the second Temple (520-515 BCE).

333-63 BCE Conquest of the region by the army of Alexander the Great (333 BCE). The Greeks generally allowed the Jews to run their state. But, during the rule of the king Antiochus IV, the Temple was desecrated. This brought about the revolt of the Maccabees, who established an independent rule. The related events are celebrated during the Hanukah holiday.

63 BCE-313 CE The Roman army led by Titus conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple at 70 CE. Jewish people were then exiled and dispersed to the Diaspora. In 132, Bar Kokhba organized a revolt against Roman rule, but was killed in a battle in Bethar in Judean Hills. Subsequently the Romans decimated the Jewish community, renamed Jerusalem as Aelia Capitolina and Judea as Palaestina to obliterate Jewish identification with the Land of Israel (the word Palestine, and the Arabic word Filastin originate from this Latin name).

The remaining Jewish community moved to northern towns in the Galilee. Around 200 CE the Sanhedrin was moved to Tsippori (Zippori, Sepphoris). The Head of Sanhedrin, Rabbi Yehuda HaNassi (Judah the Prince), compiled the Jewish oral law, Mishna.

636-1099 Dome of the Rock was built by Caliph Abd el-Malik on the grounds of the destroyed Jewish Temple.

1099-1291 The crusaders came from Europe to capture the Holy Land following an appeal by Pope Urban II, and massacred the non-Christian population. Later Jewish community in Jerusalem expanded by immigration of Jews from Europe.

1516-1918 During the reign of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent (1520-1566) the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem were rebuilt. Population of the Jewish community in Jerusalem increased.

1917-1948 Great Britain recognized the rights of the Jewish people to establish a "national home in Palestine". Yet they greatly curtailed entry of Jewish refugees into Israel even after World War II. They split Palestine mandate into an Arab state which has become the modern day Jordan, and Israel.

Source

Everyone likes to look at the last 100 years and claim Israel stole the land when the British settled them there. But, they are forgetting that for 2500 years the Jews have tried to reclaim the land only to later be forced out again.

I was hoping this wouldn't turn into a thread debating Israel's right to exist. There is a very long and complicated history in that region. But, Israel never starts a fight, they fight back when provoked.

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A day after the declaration of independence of the State of Israel, armies of five Arab countries, Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq, invaded Israel. This marked the beginning of the War of Independence. Arab states have jointly waged four full scale wars against Israel:

1948 War of Independence
1956 Sinai War
1967 Six Day War
1973 Yom Kippur War

Despite the numerical superiority of the Arab armies, Israel defended itself each time and won. After each war Israeli army withdrew from most of the areas it captured. This is unprecedented in World history and shows Israel's willingness to reach peace even at the risk of fighting for its very existence each time anew.

Israel has tried numerous times to make peace. They keep getting attacked and in almost all instances they give back the lands they acquire. They recently evacuated many of their settlement in Palestine, and were thanked with rocket attacks on the remaining ones.

This recent attack into Lebanon marks one of the first times Israel has been an agressor. The problem in that region in the government not having control over its militias. Palestinian militants fire into Israel. The Palestinian government "condemns the actions", but can't really do anything. Israel answers by formally attacking that nation, holding the government responsible for the militants within in. It's not like the USA where there is one army. In this region, each religious sect has its own armed wing.

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Originally Posted by MilesD

Israel has every right to defend itself and it's citizens... whether it's against rockets fired by extremists or the senseless abduction of soldiers earmarked as pawns in Iran. But this is a region where violents leads to more violence. Where does the circle end? Why don't people want peace in their hearts?

This may be the trigger that starts World War III.All we need is for more 'allies' to get drawn in (Iran to defend Syria, and the US to help fight w/ Israel in a region with multiple battle fronts).

Miles, you know alot more about politics than I do

*wishes Mark was here*

I am not denying Israel's right to defend itself, but I am questioning if they going after the right enemy, or if there even is one. Israel is firing rockets into a country that can't control its extremists. Does the Lebanese government, which has no authority, just sit back and let them? Does it attempt to squash Hezbollah? Does it see Israel's act of agression

I believe we are already in the middle of WWIII. It's not nation vs. nation, like I and II. It's a war against extremists and fundamentalist thinking.

I don't see the USA sending troops into Israel to help them fight. We cannot take sides in this or we risk alienating friendly nations. But, the USA has already shown that we have a problem with Iran. If Syria helps Lebanon, and then Iran joins in, there is no telling what the USA will do.

etherealme · 07-13-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyJo80

So, you think Israel should take no action against Lebanon, whose militants keep firing rockets into their land? That's right, THEIR land. Need some history:

Source

Everyone likes to look at the last 100 years and claim Israel stole the land when the British settled them there. But, they are forgetting that for 2500 years the Jews have tried to reclaim the land only to later be forced out again.

I was hoping this wouldn't turn into a thread debating Israel's right to exist. There is a very long and complicated history in that region. But, Israel never starts a fight, they fight back when provoked.

Israel has tried numerous times to make peace. They keep getting attacked and in almost all instances they give back the lands they acquire. They recently evacuated many of their settlement in Palestine, and were thanked with rocket attacks on the remaining ones.

This recent attack into Lebanon marks one of the first times Israel has been an agressor. The problem in that region in the government not having control over its militias. Palestinian militants fire into Israel. The Palestinian government "condemns the actions", but can't really do anything. Israel answers by formally attacking that nation, holding the government responsible for the militants within in. It's not like the USA where there is one army. In this region, each religious sect has its own armed wing.

Miles, you know alot more about politics than I do

*wishes Mark was here*

I am not denying Israel's right to defend itself, but I am questioning if they going after the right enemy, or if there even is one. Israel is firing rockets into a country that can't control its extremists. Does the Lebanese government, which has no authority, just sit back and let them? Does it attempt to squash Hezbollah? Does it see Israel's act of agression

I believe we are already in the middle of WWIII. It's not nation vs. nation, like I and II. It's a war against extremists and fundamentalist thinking.

I don't see the USA sending troops into Israel to help them fight. We cannot take sides in this or we risk alienating friendly nations. But, the USA has already shown that we have a problem with Iran. If Syria helps Lebanon, and then Iran joins in, there is no telling what the USA will do.

This is frightening, and Jo, I couldn't agree with you more. I too think we are in the middle of WWIII.
The US has traditionally been supportive of Israeli actions so this could turn out a number of ways. The thing to remember here is the Lebanese have been terror extremists for a long time. I don't know all my history here but wasn't there a plane hijacking in the 80's that involved lebanese terrorists?

None of them get along with each other and haven't for 2000 years, what is US interference or any other country for that matter gonna do to change things? This might sound unpatriotic or messed up thing and I could get bad rep for this but I'm gonna say it anyway.Why don't we just bud out of the situation in the Middle East completely and let them have their goddamed Holy War all to themselves. Finish up what needs to be tied up in Iraq and get the hell out of there before all the extremists blow that whole part of the world right off the map.

I think the idea of getting rid of terrorism and extremists that are bred in these countries is grandious. One zealot dies and 1000 are there to take his place. I am sick to death of it being the US's problem.Sad to say but one of these battles or attack is eventually going to turn either biological or nuclear.
Both of which is disasterous. I don't know about y'all but I am not digging the idea of nukes in my backyard. Let those that can't get along, refuse to share the land and whatnot deal with it. My most humble and honest opinion here.

I am realistic enough to know this will never happen for many reasons I cannot begin to fathom so I will simply say I am praying( and I do mean praying) that wise decisions are made from this point forth. Things are getting scarier by the minute.

ntguru5 · 07-14-2006, 05:40 AM

I think Israel is acting on emotion right now, but they know what they're doing. It's funny that you posted this because I just had a long discussion earlier tonight with one of my best friends who recently came back from serving his two years in the military there, and I was telling him how I loved Israel's policy towards assassinations and dealing with terrorists, and that I wished the U.S. adopted some of those policies and weren't such pansies lately, trying to please everybody and ending up pleasing nobody.

Israel withdraws from south Lebanon...attacks still continue. Israel withdraws from Gaza...attacks still continue. Seriously, what is Hezbollah thinking coming cross-border to commit those kidnappings? I've thought and thought about it and I can't think of one good possible reason or who's agenda it's helping. So this is how I see it: You got these two bullies, Hamas and Hezbollah. They both steal from this little kid Israel, then tells him, hey, we'll give you back what we stole if you give us your lunch money, and then keeps poking Israel on the shoulder, both laughing smugly, thinking they have him right where they want him, egging him on, and Israel finally says "Look, I told you not to mess with me!!!" and then procedes to kick both of their asses.

So to answer your question, yes, I agree with what Israel is doing, Some people might think Israel's actions are aggressive, but like I said, I think they're acting on a lot of emotion right now and are smart enough to consider the long-term goals and that Lebanon is ultimately not responsible for Hezbollah and its actions. Hezbollah doesn't seem to understand negotiations but they sure as hell know what bombs are, so Israel is communicating that to them. You'll notice that Israel dropped leaflets and warned civilians to stay away from government buildings, while Hezbollah blindly launched away from southern Lebanon. I think one of those rockets reportedly went the farthest distance it's ever gotten into Israel, reaching Haifa. I've seen tv news make a big deal out of the attacks on the Beirut airport and freeways, but that was an avenue for Iran to bring arms in and support Hezbollah, and there was a rumor that the soldiers were being taken "far, far away" (I forgot where I read that). I see those actions as Israel trying to prevent that from happening, and basically closing all avenues and options for them.

The middle east is pretty much exploding right now, it's a little scary, but I don't think there should be any real concern about other countries getting involved at the moment. If anything, it'll be like a mini 6-Day War, too quick for anyone to realize they just got punched, something like a 3-Day War...just kidding

. Israel is surrounded by enemies yet manages to kick everyone's ass...you know you're on top when people are shooting for you from everywhere, they know what they're doing!

**Miles D** · 07-14-2006, 03:44 PM

Hezbollah's leader declared "Open War" on Israel. Though they vow to fight to the death, I don't believe they have any real chance of "Winning". And Syria + Iran appear to be getting ready too (if they haven't been supplying the millitants already).

People at work think this might be the beginning of Armageddon. Not sure about that, though.

etherealme · 07-15-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Miles D

Hezbollah's leader declared "Open War" on Israel. Though they vow to fight to the death, I don't believe they have any real chance of "Winning". And Syria + Iran appear to be getting ready too (if they haven't been supplying the millitants already).

People at work think this might be the beginning of Armageddon. Not sure about that, though.

There are alot of prophecies(Edgar Casey and Nostradums spring to mind) around that are not even Biblical that may offer some support to their concerns.

I'm not sure where I am at with the whole Armageddon thing just yet, but I do find it rather coincidental that the alliances and wars that are said to bring about the end of days are unfolding right before our very eyes.

Nostradamus has a quatrain that might lead someone to believe that palestinian forces in the middle East and certain Asian countries and possibly russia might team up eventually against Israel and us. Scary stuff.
His writings are sketchy however. If you are believer in these prophetic visions, it is pretty fascinating.

Regardless, we are living in a very uncertain world and it doesn't take a psychic predicition for anyone to see that..

07-13-2006, 07:23 PM	Israel Attacks Lebanon Post #5
Miles D I will not apologize for art Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Age: 35 Posts: 3,102 Points: 4,898.46 Bank: 16,657,748.73 Total Points: 16,662,647.19 Donate	Israel has every right to defend itself and it's citizens... whether it's against rockets fired by extremists or the senseless abduction of soldiers earmarked as pawns for Iran. But this is a region where violents leads to more violence. Where does the circle end? Why don't people want peace in their hearts? This may be the trigger that starts World War III. All we need is for more 'allies' to get drawn in (Iran to defend Syria, and the US to help fight w/ Israel in a region with multiple battle fronts). Last edited by Miles D : 07-13-2006 at 07:41 PM

07-14-2006, 05:40 AM	Israel Attacks Lebanon Post #8
ntguru5 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sunny San Diego Age: 36 Posts: 71 Points: 531.40 Bank: 662.19 Total Points: 1,193.59 Donate	I think Israel is acting on emotion right now, but they know what they're doing. It's funny that you posted this because I just had a long discussion earlier tonight with one of my best friends who recently came back from serving his two years in the military there, and I was telling him how I loved Israel's policy towards assassinations and dealing with terrorists, and that I wished the U.S. adopted some of those policies and weren't such pansies lately, trying to please everybody and ending up pleasing nobody. Israel withdraws from south Lebanon...attacks still continue. Israel withdraws from Gaza...attacks still continue. Seriously, what is Hezbollah thinking coming cross-border to commit those kidnappings? I've thought and thought about it and I can't think of one good possible reason or who's agenda it's helping. So this is how I see it: You got these two bullies, Hamas and Hezbollah. They both steal from this little kid Israel, then tells him, hey, we'll give you back what we stole if you give us your lunch money, and then keeps poking Israel on the shoulder, both laughing smugly, thinking they have him right where they want him, egging him on, and Israel finally says "Look, I told you not to mess with me!!!" and then procedes to kick both of their asses. So to answer your question, yes, I agree with what Israel is doing, Some people might think Israel's actions are aggressive, but like I said, I think they're acting on a lot of emotion right now and are smart enough to consider the long-term goals and that Lebanon is ultimately not responsible for Hezbollah and its actions. Hezbollah doesn't seem to understand negotiations but they sure as hell know what bombs are, so Israel is communicating that to them. You'll notice that Israel dropped leaflets and warned civilians to stay away from government buildings, while Hezbollah blindly launched away from southern Lebanon. I think one of those rockets reportedly went the farthest distance it's ever gotten into Israel, reaching Haifa. I've seen tv news make a big deal out of the attacks on the Beirut airport and freeways, but that was an avenue for Iran to bring arms in and support Hezbollah, and there was a rumor that the soldiers were being taken "far, far away" (I forgot where I read that). I see those actions as Israel trying to prevent that from happening, and basically closing all avenues and options for them. The middle east is pretty much exploding right now, it's a little scary, but I don't think there should be any real concern about other countries getting involved at the moment. If anything, it'll be like a mini 6-Day War, too quick for anyone to realize they just got punched, something like a 3-Day War...just kidding . Israel is surrounded by enemies yet manages to kick everyone's ass...you know you're on top when people are shooting for you from everywhere, they know what they're doing! Last edited by ntguru5 : 07-14-2006 at 06:05 AM

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07-13-2006, 06:25 PM	Israel Attacks Lebanon Post #2
Nemo A votive, not in vain Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: California, U.S.A. Age: 24 Posts: 2,512 Points: 7,952.48 Bank: 174.27 Total Points: 8,126.76 Donate	As a tiny tid-bit, as I am not 100% caught up on Lebanon-Israeli affairs-- Im scared. Im scared that of all the news I watch- I havent seen this on the news. [Middle East country] threatens Israel and all of America has to stop. Israel attacks [Lebanon] and it seems irrelevant. Just by looking at it- Id pretty much say, "yeah, war." But then, does this mean America, being Israel's surrogate mother, will have to butt in? Eeeh. Now im really scared. And then how this ties into the whole controversy of Iran and N. Korea's nuclear powers... Im a little fearful of how some events seem to be piling on each other and sorta connecting with each other in a foreboding way. Israel doesnt look promising, at all. Its actually pretty humbling, for me. Regardless, I think Lebanon itself should take some responsibility for its apparently independent military wing. Or would this cause more problems?

07-13-2006, 06:38 PM	Israel Attacks Lebanon Post #3
DistantMemories Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Under the Rose Posts: 153 Points: 488.40 Bank: 2,366.60 Total Points: 2,855.00 Donate	I'm scared that now we are going to have to help out in that war too, because i mean the Jewish community is very affectionate to Isreal(rightly so) and i just think that since we are a country that does a lot to appease minorites because we are afraid of discriminatory vibes, we are going to have to go to war over this issue too. I'm sorry, but if this Country starts fighting that war too, i'm moving to Canada. no way am i getting Drafted to fight a war i have no place in. I don't side with Israel because of its past. It has a violent, malevolent past, and i honestly side with the Palestinians and Lebanese. This all started when the Israeli's declared the holy land theirs and invaded Palestine and took some of its land. Since then, it has just been a constant fight between the two. And now the lebonese? its ridiculous. Israel needs to surrender the land it took from Palestine back to the Palestinians, and the Israeli's need to start showing the Muslim populations over there some more respect. its just ridiculous at this point.

07-14-2006, 03:44 PM	Israel Attacks Lebanon Post #9
Miles D I will not apologize for art Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Age: 35 Posts: 3,102 Points: 4,898.46 Bank: 16,657,748.73 Total Points: 16,662,647.19 Donate	Hezbollah's leader declared "Open War" on Israel. Though they vow to fight to the death, I don't believe they have any real chance of "Winning". And Syria + Iran appear to be getting ready too (if they haven't been supplying the millitants already). People at work think this might be the beginning of Armageddon. Not sure about that, though.

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Israel Attacks Lebanon