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Vampyyri · 10-27-2005, 08:44 PM

Yesterday i was talking about this with my mom,I cant wait for it to come out! i have the book and it is pretty interesting

thanks a lot for posting it

PossessedByTheSquirrels · 10-27-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nostalgicdemise

I think that an even poorer decision would be to split the spoken language for the sake of a superficial "authenticity". How could they justify that: taking the English (supposed Japanese) and, for no particular reason, making them speak actual Japanese? It would only succeed in the jarring the general audience.

Speaking the language of their characthers, is superficial? Actually it just makes more sense and is much more believable. The particular reason to have them speak Japanese is because they are Japanese charachters, in Japan. Why shouldn't they be speaking their native tongue? And it would jar the audience because what... the Japanese people are speaking Japanese? It jars me that they're speaking English for no particular reason. Did all the Japanese charachters learn English and just decide to speak it to eachother at all times instead of their native language they would know more fluently?

I'm not saying this is a bad film. I'm just saying this is not remotely a film that will exhibit Japanese charachters/culture. But then again, determining if it is a good movie has nothing to do with how faithful or authentic it is to the original context.

I'm not attacking the film, and saying it is going to be a bad film. I'm attacking its credibility as having any resemblance to Japanese culture/charachters. Could it be a good film without any substance of exhibiting the Japense? Yes. A good film is plot, acting, directing, etc not... oh well the kimonos aren't authentically accurate, this is a bad film. No. It's just not very good at showing the realities of the Japanese.

Phoenix Fires · 10-28-2005, 01:44 PM

Of course geishas marry. I've read loads of books about them. And besides, not all geishas have sex with their clients. It's a Western misconception that we have about them. Only the lower class geisha do that if they're desperate but then they get landed by that taint against their character. They're most susceptible when they're still in the maiko stage.

They do get sponsership from some clients, but it is not payment for sex of anything like that.

Has anyone read "Geisha of Gion" by Mineko Iwasaki? It's rather hands-off but it is still very clear about the culture of the geisha. I also know Japanese people who get annoyed when people assume that geisha sleep with their clients. Some may, but it's clear that it differs from area to area if it happens at all.

Anyway...

Zhang Ziyi, due to all the makeup that geisha have to wear anyway, I don't think that the fact she is Chinese will make a huge amount of difference with the concern about her ethnicity. She's a good enough actress to pull it off in my opinion, and although the problem with the actual speaking Japanese is bothering me (I hate how Hollywood change the language of the films to suit the audience, if it's in a different language, then it should have subtitles and no dubbing. I for one am one of those who watches a foreign film in its respective language rather than the dubbed version, especially if the accent of the dubbing is profoundly different than the original language).

I'll probably see this film when it comes out, because I'm interested to see what it turns out like. However, I would much rather watch a Japanese film about geisha than a Hollywood one because I think it would be more authentic without the Western misconceptions already mentioned in this thread.

amy

**Mal** · 10-28-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Fires

And besides, not all geishas have sex with their clients. It's a Western misconception that we have about them. Only the lower class geisha do that if they're desperate but then they get landed by that taint against their character.... I also know Japanese people who get annoyed when people assume that geisha sleep with their clients.

Not all of them may sleep with all of their clients but they all sleep with at least one or two. In the book Sayuri slept with at least four. I believe twice she wasn't even paid for it.

Physconails · 10-28-2005, 04:23 PM

Well, we may think that a Japanese language film isn't an issue, but many people I know would never pay to see a film that had subtitles. Sadly, that's not a mainstream concept.
As an amateur film maker I can tell you how important an audience is. .A story will be equally beautiful in any language, so they pick what will help them break even.

DarknessHerself · 10-28-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Fires

Of course geishas marry. I've read loads of books about them. And besides, not all geishas have sex with their clients. It's a Western misconception that we have about them. Only the lower class geisha do that if they're desperate but then they get landed by that taint against their character. They're most susceptible when they're still in the maiko stage.

They do get sponsership from some clients, but it is not payment for sex of anything like that.

Has anyone read "Geisha of Gion" by Mineko Iwasaki? It's rather hands-off but it is still very clear about the culture of the geisha. I also know Japanese people who get annoyed when people assume that geisha sleep with their clients. Some may, but it's clear that it differs from area to area if it happens at all.

Anyway...

Zhang Ziyi, due to all the makeup that geisha have to wear anyway, I don't think that the fact she is Chinese will make a huge amount of difference with the concern about her ethnicity. She's a good enough actress to pull it off in my opinion, and although the problem with the actual speaking Japanese is bothering me (I hate how Hollywood change the language of the films to suit the audience, if it's in a different language, then it should have subtitles and no dubbing. I for one am one of those who watches a foreign film in its respective language rather than the dubbed version, especially if the accent of the dubbing is profoundly different than the original language).

I'll probably see this film when it comes out, because I'm interested to see what it turns out like. However, I would much rather watch a Japanese film about geisha than a Hollywood one because I think it would be more authentic without the Western misconceptions already mentioned in this thread.

amy

Looks like I know what the next book I'll be reading is! Thanks for the correction!

**Sayuri-Chan** · 12-08-2005, 11:00 AM

In Italy is coming out in 8 days,and i'm so excited about it,because the book(same title as the movie) is amazing,wonderful!
Have u ever read the book?Do u think u r going to see the movie?
The only thing that i didn't like was that the only japanese actor is Ken Watanabe,but Zhang Ziyi(as Sayuri Nitta) and Gong Li (Hatsumomo,Sayuri's enemy) are sooo cute and wonderful!

twistedangel · 12-08-2005, 12:45 PM

i wanna see this movie sooooo bad! there was a book?

**Sayuri-Chan** · 12-08-2005, 02:02 PM

ups,after having opened a new thread about MOAG without having seen this one.....HERE I AMMMM!!!
as i said....i want to see this movie,i love the book,it's my favorite book,the best i've read in all my life......
I think it will be a good movie though!^_^

Phoenix Fires · 12-08-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by twistedangel

i wanna see this movie sooooo bad! there was a book?

The film's based on the book

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Phoenix Fires Mishka Lariska Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A little-known country called Wales Age: 22 Posts: 3,500 Points: 9.77 Bank: 3,300,039.98 Total Points: 3,300,049.76 Donate	Of course geishas marry. I've read loads of books about them. And besides, not all geishas have sex with their clients. It's a Western misconception that we have about them. Only the lower class geisha do that if they're desperate but then they get landed by that taint against their character. They're most susceptible when they're still in the maiko stage. They do get sponsership from some clients, but it is not payment for sex of anything like that. Has anyone read "Geisha of Gion" by Mineko Iwasaki? It's rather hands-off but it is still very clear about the culture of the geisha. I also know Japanese people who get annoyed when people assume that geisha sleep with their clients. Some may, but it's clear that it differs from area to area if it happens at all. Anyway... Zhang Ziyi, due to all the makeup that geisha have to wear anyway, I don't think that the fact she is Chinese will make a huge amount of difference with the concern about her ethnicity. She's a good enough actress to pull it off in my opinion, and although the problem with the actual speaking Japanese is bothering me (I hate how Hollywood change the language of the films to suit the audience, if it's in a different language, then it should have subtitles and no dubbing. I for one am one of those who watches a foreign film in its respective language rather than the dubbed version, especially if the accent of the dubbing is profoundly different than the original language). I'll probably see this film when it comes out, because I'm interested to see what it turns out like. However, I would much rather watch a Japanese film about geisha than a Hollywood one because I think it would be more authentic without the Western misconceptions already mentioned in this thread. amy __________________ Romano: you are one grade A bitch. You know that Kerry? Weaver: no Robert, I'm your boss. And as long as I am you're my bitch. Now get your ass back to work.

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Sayuri-Chan n00blet Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 19 Points: 204.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 204.00 Donate	Memoirs of a Geisha: The Movie In Italy is coming out in 8 days,and i'm so excited about it,because the book(same title as the movie) is amazing,wonderful! Have u ever read the book?Do u think u r going to see the movie? The only thing that i didn't like was that the only japanese actor is Ken Watanabe,but Zhang Ziyi(as Sayuri Nitta) and Gong Li (Hatsumomo,Sayuri's enemy) are sooo cute and wonderful!

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Physconails Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 22 Posts: 848 Points: 1,142.77 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 1,142.77 Donate	Well, we may think that a Japanese language film isn't an issue, but many people I know would never pay to see a film that had subtitles. Sadly, that's not a mainstream concept. As an amateur film maker I can tell you how important an audience is. .A story will be equally beautiful in any language, so they pick what will help them break even.

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Sayuri-Chan n00blet Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 19 Points: 204.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 204.00 Donate	ups,after having opened a new thread about MOAG without having seen this one.....HERE I AMMMM!!! as i said....i want to see this movie,i love the book,it's my favorite book,the best i've read in all my life...... I think it will be a good movie though!^_^

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