What do you think about affirmative action? Is it truly affirmative, or does it degrade people? If you are a minority, would you be okay with accepting some honor if you knew you only received it because of your sex, race, or whatever else?

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Props for the topic. I'll withhold my opinion for... a page or two :).

As a straight white male, I have no opinion on the matter. none whatsoever.

As a straight white male, I do have an opinion on the matter. All it does is breed reverse discrimination and send a degrading message to minorities saying that they have to have affirmiative action to get into things like college instead of their own merits.

As a female "minority" (who the heck are we kidding? straight white males are becoming the minority these days...), I have worked damn hard for everything I have ever received and I find it incredibly insulting that slackers can just play the "female minority" card in order to get handed the same things. I especially hate it when people think I am one of those slackers or that I took advantage of any of that crap. I earned everything I have because of me, not from "Affirmative Action". All it does is make everybody more conscious of racism.

(who the heck are we kidding? straight white males are becoming the minority these days...)

I :heart: you.... that was the best thing I've heard anyone say in a long time.

As a female "minority" (who the heck are we kidding? straight white males are becoming the minority these days...), I have worked damn hard for everything I have ever received and I find it incredibly insulting that slackers can just play the "female minority" card in order to get handed the same things. I especially hate it when people think I am one of those slackers or that I took advantage of any of that crap. I earned everything I have because of me, not from "Affirmative Action". All it does is make everybody more conscious of racism.wow.... an intelligent woman who is willing to stand on her own merits and be honest and virtuous.... can I get your name and number?? ;)

wow.... an intelligent woman who is willing to stand on her own merits and be honest and virtuous.... can I get your name and number?? ;)

*ahem* WTF is that supposed to mean, huh?! :D

wow.... an intelligent woman who is willing to stand on her own merits and be honest and virtuous.... can I get your name and number?? ;)

*ahem* WTF is that supposed to mean, huh?! :Dnot saying you aren't... it's just you don't see many women with opinions like that

I'm very open about this. I've even debated this with my black friends. yet, they agree, so it wasn't so much of a debate.

I believe it was good at one time. It was good when people were still biased against people. yet, today, that isn't as big of a problem as it was. Hell, it is a huge minority to see people being racist.

Actually, the only times I see racist problems are when people yell "he didn't give me the job cause he is racist." Really? Are you not racist for believing he is racist when he never actually said it had to do with your race? Why do you have to feel your race was a reason something happened?

I say that cause I have had it happen before where I have id'd someone for drinks and I get the "your only doing this cause I'm black" or whatever. Uh, no. I do it to everyone. See that guy sitting next to you? yeah, the white guy? I id'd him too. For someone to play that card they themselves are racist.

Now, with women and iding, it is usually a "thankyou, your so sweet" but I do get the occasional "are you kidding me?" like being 22 makes them old enough not get carded. Hell lady, I look older then you and I have a baby face.

So yeah, at one time it was a good thing, but now, I believe it is outdated and should be gotten rid of.

I'm very open about this. I've even debated this with my black friends. yet, they agree, so it wasn't so much of a debate.

I believe it was good at one time. It was good when people were still biased against people. yet, today, that isn't as big of a problem as it was. Hell, it is a huge minority to see people being racist.

Actually, the only times I see racist problems are when people yell "he didn't give me the job cause he is racist." Really? Are you not racist for believing he is racist when he never actually said it had to do with your race? Why do you have to feel your race was a reason something happened?

I say that cause I have had it happen before where I have id'd someone for drinks and I get the "your only doing this cause I'm black" or whatever. Uh, no. I do it to everyone. See that guy sitting next to you? yeah, the white guy? I id'd him too. For someone to play that card they themselves are racist.

Now, with women and iding, it is usually a "thankyou, your so sweet" but I do get the occasional "are you kidding me?" like being 22 makes them old enough not get carded. Hell lady, I look older then you and I have a baby face.

So yeah, at one time it was a good thing, but now, I believe it is outdated and should be gotten rid of.

Racists are not minorities. I'm Chinese and believe me, I have encountered A LOT of racism in my life. Once, I was at a MacDonald's with my friends, who are also Asian, they gave us food that was cold and when I went in to use the bathroom, they shut down the water. When I asked the lady who came out after me to see if there was any water, she said yes. Don't say that there is no more racism because it offended me when you said that.

I didn't say that there are 0 amount of racist people. I just said they are the minority. If you think about all the people you have met or run into in your lifetime. Every person that has checked you out at a grocery store, or rung up your purchases in a mall, or that you saw in a movie theatre. Every person you have had even the smallest amount of transaction with. If you add all them up and then figure out how many of them treated you racially, that is a minority.

Also, to say the entire McDonalds was after you...that might be right, but then again it might not be. More then one person is responsible for your food. Or that is how it USUALLY is. Maybe that one person knew how to turn the water off as well. I don't know for sure cause I wasn't one of the workers there.

I do know what it is like to be a worker somewhere and then somoene think that I'm being racist for following rules or for getting after them for them breaking the rules. In that case it has nothing to do with race till they make it an issue.

Yes, there is still some racist problems today, but if you look at it in the terms I said earlier it is a minority.

I'm so surprised...that nobody has yet said that they think affirmative action is 100% good. I thought surely we'd have some takers. Apparently this wasn't a topic worth debating. Oh well

IMHO- I think the word race and all racial names (black, white, asian, hispanic, etc.) should stop being used. We are all human. A yellow labrador and a black labrador are still labradors. We are all human and should treat each other as such. Race should not matter in anything (id est- relationships since that is the topic).

Our politics actually create these problems. Racial categorization in politics (id est- affirmative action, racial studies, marveling when a member of a racial minorty does something special-we should marvel that a person did it, not a minority) serves to plant a subliminal message that maybe there is something different between the races.

And since I know Ill get shit for mentioning affirmative action, I will explain a bit more. I am especially referring to affrimative action in college admissions. I think affirmative action is wrong but that discussion is for another thread. Here we go-
Whites live in the ghetto to and so do hispanics, etc. and they live in the same situation that blacks in those areas do. Granted there are more blacks in the ghetto (generally speaking) but there are other people there too. Affrimative action should be used for all people with the afore mentioned disadvantage. Affirmative action is for all blacks. Do affluent balcks need it as well? People should be treated equally and helped according to their need and not by their ethnicity. We are all the same.


I wrote this in another thread but it is very applicable. By saying that there is a difference in the races we are creating an enviroment which incubates racism.

My father had to deal with affirmative action at his work, there were two people up for a job.. one a white male, the other an African American female. The white male was more qualified and better for the job, but because the university wanted more African Americans working there the female was hired.

I do not agree with affirmative action. Like I said in my above example, the white man was more qualified for the job. He had worked harder and longer for what he wanted, but because of his race he was denied. Isn't this itself not racism?

I have worked damn hard for everything I have ever received

that's a complete and utter injustice. what ever happened to the good ol' days when women that were totally hot got everything they wanted for free without question? chivalry must truly be dead...

ROFL, I love you dev.

ROFL, I love you dev.

d00d, i'm completely serious. Angelique is both hot and a ninja. she should be waited on hand and foot by muscular naked men. like me and you, ej.

For some reason, I don't think either of us is muscular. You're lanky, and I'm... squishy, for lack of a better word.

But all that aside, that's a good plan.

On special days, we could dress you up as a pirate and she could kick your ass.

On special days, we could dress you up as a pirate and she could kick your ass.

that would rock.

:heart: :Fade-color :D :mrgreen: I've have this stupid grin on my face for about 20 minutes now and still can't quit smiling! God you guys are awesome! :angel:

:heart: :Fade-color :D :mrgreen: I've have this stupid grin on my face for about 20 minutes now and still can't quit smiling! God you guys are awesome! :angel:

we are now :D

:heart: :Fade-color :D :mrgreen: I've have this stupid grin on my face for about 20 minutes now and still can't quit smiling! God you guys are awesome! :angel:

Dude, we DO rock. We gave her afterglow and we didn't even have to touch her. Wait, DAMN.

Ah....k, now that I've stopped giggling long enough to type, you know I'm gonna have to put all this in my sig.... :P

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If your wondering about the pictures, it was from a little demonstration on campus. Some find it humorous, and some find it eye opening.

All affirmative action does create a race conscious society. Universities increase tuition for the “average” students, and then with the increase in budget hand out more scholarships that go to minority students. Many people don’t know that little fact. So not only is the government doing this so boldly, but the universities take it upon themselves to equalize resources as well. Oh its so nice getting screwed two ways! After reading this thread, I realize that may people don’t agree with affirmative action. So why is it happening so blatantly?

The sad thing is, is that no one is going to refuse money, and the supreme court approved it. So all I can do is continue paying the $4,000 every semester, taking up jobs, while some of my fellow students go back to the complimentary dorm to catch a few winks.

….and yes I pulled up an old thread “just for that”

I think that all this does is cause reverse discrimination and cause even more intensity between majority groups and minority groups.

I don't find why we need this. They are perfectly equal today. The past is the past. Keep it there.

Should I complain because my ancestors were imprisoned 600 years by the Turks and they dont claim affirmative action from them today?
No, I shouldn't. What's done is done.

Now, on the other hand, the majorities actually gave blacks (example of minority group) their rights sooner or later. All they need to do now is to stop pushing those buttons. As much as I don't want to say this, being enslaved for 200 years is nothing compared to being enslaved for 600 years.

And I'm 99% sure that all of our ancestors, through one point or another, have been enslaved in the past.

All I think is that the majority figures are getting a little too weak and are trying to "suck back up" to the minorites. This is not needed.

I think affimative action is such an awful thing. It's implying that minorities can't get into college or get a job because they are qualified, NOOOO they have to have affimative action to help since they can't do it on their own. I work hard for everything I've earned and I'd rather be jobless and not go to college then to find out that I was only accepted because I'm an african american woman. It's terrible that something like that is even needed. And I can understand those people that are stiffed for a job that they are qualified for because the company had to comply with affirmative action and hire a minority that wasn't even qualified. I believe that if your qualified to be in that company or at that school then they should accept you whether your a minority or not.