I dont know how popular is this band,but they are awesome...to me almost as awesome as LacunaCoil & Nighwish!

http://www.afterforever.com

Yeah, good band... and whaddaya know... they' re Dutch :p

I've been looking for their album Decipher for months....... not had any luck at all.

if you can' t get it thru a website, drop me a PM

I like them.. altho they are no where near Nightwish..

i have a special edition of decipher.. it came with a sticker and stuff.. lol...

and yes.. THEYRE DUTCH!!! \m/

Yay!!!

I love them, Decipher and Prison of Desire are both awesome records. Emphasis, Estranged and Imperfect Tenses are awesome songs.

I started listening them some few years ago, after reading Epica´s bio, saying their composer is the former guitarrist of After Forever, they´re really great, although I don´t know if the mp3 I got had him or not
All them awesome

Squirrel Woman told me about them a while ago. I could only find a few songs at the time, but they went bye bye. I remember liking it though. :)

I dont know how popular is this band,but they are awesome...to me almost as awesome as LacunaCoil & Nighwish!

http://www.afterforever.com

They're as awesome as Lacuna Coil and Nightwish!?! That's pretty rock your ass amazing! I'll have to check them out.

I dont know how popular is this band,but they are awesome...to me almost as awesome as LacunaCoil & Nighwish!

http://www.afterforever.com

They're as awesome as Lacuna Coil and Nightwish!?! That's pretty rock your ass amazing! I'll have to check them out.

ok after listening to more of their songs...maybe not as awesome as nightwish...but there are male & female choir in some songs..so cool!

if you can' t get it thru a website, drop me a PM

I've ordered two of their albums (plus some more Within Temptation stuff) from http://www.disque.nl/ ....... I haven't been able to order from them until now.... but anyway, woo hoo! finally be able to get them... hope they're fast.

Yay! I love After Forever.... if you haven't heard them, please check them out.

Never heard of Disque. nl :D


BUt I hope it goes well and you get to listen to the stuff shortly! :)

I love them. Floor has a amazing voice. I think they are completely different to Nightwish.

If you like them you have to listen to Epica ;)

They have a new CD, Exordium. a shame it has only 6 tracks :(

but the 6 tracks are good :)

AF are good! Ive got that special edition of Decipher aswell
I like Epica better tho.

There different are in of there CD's here in the USofA?

So I've been listening to AF for a while now, the guy really annoys me on some songs. They are still good, but I've kinda grown a bit tired of them.

Yeah, AF is an awesome band!! I can't find a single song I don't like... but I'm afraid that all of their originality are gone with Mark Jansen (now in Epica)... BTW I didn't like the Epica album... all the songs sounds like the same for me...

after forever is fan-tas-tic, really, I think floor has got the most amazing voice EVER *dies* she can do anything, really (erm...exept from grunting?) Invisible circle is a proof that they will survive without Mark Jansen! WAY TO GO!! Epica rules as well, of course, but I think it's less original...

I have only heard the first 43 seconds of eccentric, are the rest of their songs like that?
Because I'll definately look for their album if they are...

I have Decipher. Not a big AF fan though, but Floor's voice is great.

I have only heard the first 43 seconds of eccentric, are the rest of their songs like that?
Because I'll definately look for their album if they are...

That's a lovely song, but that's really one of the slower song they made. But i'd look for the cd anyway you know, they're GREAT *my opinion*

After forver is amazing. I've met them when i heard "leaden legacy" song.
I've loved this band from the first song =) And now i listen to every their songs.
I taste sounds, and i really feel that music.
After forever can fascinate.

i've heard a few songs by them, and they're pretty damn good. i'm not really sure about the vocals yet, but the music is amazing.

and why, i didn't know that they were dutch! you learn something new everyday.

I only know Two Sides and Beatiful Emptiness.

I love After Forever. I like Epica more, but AF is good.

I like Floor's voice alot.

Teehee, i like After Forever. I still need to buy a CD, though, as of yet I've only downloaded a song or two... I love Monolith of Doubt! Wonderful music :D

Another band that I've gotten into recently and quite like what I've heard... in particular "The Key" and "Beyond Me".

Why do Dutch bands kick so much ass?

I've just heard after forever today and they are quite good from what I've heard.I might buy invisible circles.

I heard Monolith of Doubt recently, and it's awesome! I've only heard two of their songs, but I'd really love to find someplace where I can buy a CD. I can't order it online, unfortunately, so I guess I'll have to keep an eye open at Hastings ;)

I love after forever! they are as amazing as nightwish, i love anything with orchestral parts. brilliant!

Whoa, I havent posted in this thread for over a year, there I am on the first page! At least glad to see that it's still around. :)

I ordered Invisible Circles and Exordium off of Amazon a little while back. Both are really good stuff. I'm not sure how difficult it is to find their CDs, especially in the here in the states. I managed to find both of their first two CDs at a store I frequent which is really good at getting hard-to-find and imports CDs.

I've been meaning to download some songs to see what they're like but I'm having a hard time finding some.

i've downloaded all After Forever's stuff & i'm liking them a lot, they have such good songs as Semblance of Confussion :D

btw, poppy, i'f u want, u can add me to the msn & i can send u some of their stuff ;)

been listening to invisible circles recently... digital deceit, between love and fire, through square eyes, etc etc rock my socks! it's a cool album, what with the concept of it. i'll have to check out their other album soon.

So the After Forever thread IS still here.
Can't wait for the new album their recording. If it's anything like Invisible Circles it will be awesome. Apparantly it's going to be more similar to Exordium, but that is still good obviously!

Whoa, so I must be totally blind. lol! *waits for other thread to be closed* Sorry for the trouble.. I should have checked every single page instead of using the search option.. :/

I still haven't listened to Invisible Circles (as a whole) yet. I can't seem to get a hold of it.

I need more After Forever. I've only got a few songs, but I love them. I really like Floor's voice.

I need more After Forever. I've only got a few songs, but I love them. I really like Floor's voice.
Get Invisible Circles, and Prison of Desire, definately. And Decipher...oh wait, shit, that's all their albums. Well, just get them all.

Get Invisible Circles, and Prison of Desire, definately. And Decipher...oh wait, shit, that's all their albums. Well, just get them all.

LMAO, absolutely agreed :p btw i need to buy those too :o

Get Invisible Circles, and Prison of Desire, definately. And Decipher...oh wait, shit, that's all their albums. Well, just get them all.
haha. :D I'll have to do that sometime. :cool:

And cause it got deleted, After Forever will be playing on July 22nd in Amsterdam, as special guests for the Within Temptation concert. :)

*Is so excited about the upcoming album*

They say its gonna be similar to Exordium (I think)
What does that mean? Exordium sorta has less grunting in it...well relatively less. Maybe thats where their heading with the new album. Also Exordium sorta seems a little bit less heavy.

Yeah, to me Exordium is pretty mellow.

Do you know the date of the release? I know it was stalled (or maybe not?? I can't seem to find what I first read) because their drummer was diagnosed with cancer.

They say its gonna be similar to Exordium (I think)
What does that mean? Exordium sorta has less grunting in it...well relatively less. Maybe thats where their heading with the new album. Also Exordium sorta seems a little bit less heavy.

well, if that's true i suppose they'r doing the same as all the band we all know & love... they're trying to be well-known with a more "popular" album & then go back to their roots :rolleyes:

I <3 Floor's voice!It has so much emotion!I love Invinsible Circles!!Floor has done an ecxcellent work with the story line!And Beyond Me is awesome but Semblance of Confusion is still my fav!

I <3 Floor's voice!It has so much emotion!I love Invinsible Circles!!Floor has done an ecxcellent work with the story line!And Beyond Me is awesome but Semblance of Confusion is still my fav!

semblance of confusion is my fave also

anyway, have u noticed who sings with Floor in "Beyond me"??? :rolleyes:

anyway, have u noticed who sings with Floor in "Beyond me"??? :rolleyes:

Yep!Its Sharon,how couldn't I notice :D !!Actually,I read it in the booklet :rolleyes:

Yeah, to me Exordium is pretty mellow.

Do you know the date of the release? I know it was stalled (or maybe not?? I can't seem to find what I first read) because their drummer was diagnosed with cancer.
Yeah I read that he had cancer. But I havn't seen anything about the release date being pushed back or anything.

I'm fairly certain their still aiming for a September release. Although bands pretty much always delay their albums till after for one reason or another. :rolleyes:

And yes I love how theres a main theme or storyline throughout Invisible Circles.

Question:In Sins of Idealism mother and child are both Floor?They sound completely different... :rolleyes:

Question:In Sins of Idealism mother and child are both Floor?They sound completely different... :rolleyes:
What?!? Theres a childs voice in that song? Oh wait you mean its 'supposed' to be the child, then 'supposed' to be the mother. But yeah their both sung by Floor...obviously! :p (well, I presume :S )

What?!? Theres a childs voice in that song? Oh wait you mean its 'supposed' to be the child, then 'supposed' to be the mother. But yeah their both sung by Floor...obviously! :p (well, I presume :S )

Really?OMG, I'm amazed with her voice!!I think she has one of the best voices EVAR, but of course she has, she is a soprano!!At first I thought that "Mother" was someone from the choir but now..gosh *still amazed*

Really?OMG, I'm amazed with her voice!!I think she has one of the best voices EVAR, but of course she has, she is a soprano!!At first I thought that "Mother" was someone from the choir but now..gosh *still amazed*
I think in that song the childs voice is Floor singing normally, and the mothers voice is Floor singing in Soprano.

And cause it got deleted, After Forever will be playing on July 22nd in Amsterdam, as special guests for the Within Temptation concert. :)
:eek: I really do wish I lived in Europe sometimes, lol. That would be so incredible to see.

:eek: I really do wish I lived in Europe sometimes, lol. That would be so incredible to see.

I live in Europe but I live in Greece:( !So I can't see them!I wish I lived in Germany or Spain!!These two countries get all the good stuff and concerts!

I live in Europe but I live in Greece:( !So I can't see them!I wish I lived in Germany or Spain!!These two countries get all the good stuff and concerts!
But it's considerably closer than Australia, lol. You could still get there by car. Lol. But yes, Germany does get everything don't they!

But it's considerably closer than Australia, lol. You could still get there by car. Lol. But yes, Germany does get everything don't they!
I second that! Australia sucks for music concerts, and bands! :(

Hey guys, guess what? I managed to buy two of AF's albums today! It was a big shock to me, just like finding Tristania and Leaves' Eyes... I even saw Sirenia's stuff at HMV! Man, I'm starting to love that over-priced store. They have what I want! Now, all they have to do is bring in some Within Temptation and I'll love them forever and ever. Anyway, now I own Exordium & Invisible Circles. ^^ And I'm now really poor. But I have the albums! :p

Hey guys, guess what? I managed to buy two of AF's albums today! It was a big shock to me, just like finding Tristania and Leaves' Eyes... I even saw Sirenia's stuff at HMV! Man, I'm starting to love that over-priced store. They have what I want! Now, all they have to do is bring in some Within Temptation and I'll love them forever and ever. Anyway, now I own Exordium & Invisible Circles. ^^ And I'm now really poor. But I have the albums! :p
Congradualations! Invisible Circles is an awesome album! If you're going to get another AF album, I would personally suggest 'Prison of Desire', that CD is great. But then again so is the other one you don't have called 'Decipher'.

Wow HMV near me doesn't have any of those stuff, otherwise I would be VERY poor. I *only once* saw a Nightwish CD in HMV, but even that they don't have anymore.

If I could only have on AF album, I'd go for Prison of Desire. I don't know why I like that one more than all the others. Maybe it's because it's the only one I'm most familiar with. Once I get paid, I'm going to other HMVs to see if they have any more of AF's stuff. :D

I bought ALL of Tristania's stuff at HMV. You can imagine how poor I was after that! But it was well worth it. ;)

I watched the video for My Choice. It was interesting... Have any of you guys seen it? Do you know if there are other music videos for AF?

If I could only have on AF album, I'd go for Prison of Desire. I don't know why I like that one more than all the others. Maybe it's because it's the only one I'm most familiar with. Once I get paid, I'm going to other HMVs to see if they have any more of AF's stuff. :D

I bought ALL of Tristania's stuff at HMV. You can imagine how poor I was after that! But it was well worth it. ;)

I watched the video for My Choice. It was interesting... Have any of you guys seen it? Do you know if there are other music videos for AF?
Unfortunately I havn't seen any vids for After Forever. Where did you see it? Got a link? Wanna upload it? :p

hmmmm...Yeah I think i'd go Prison of Desire too, but Invisible Circles is great too! Its got Beautiful Emptiness on it, which is the best song! :eek:

Yesterday,I was so close in buying Exordium!!But it was too expensive and I wanted to keep my money for vacation!!
I saw it has the video for My Choice so I assume that crimson angel saw the video there, Smytho!

Floor is amazing!!!In the end of Sins of Idealism when she sings liiiiiiiiiiiiife....I shiver!!

Do you know the date of the release? I know it was stalled (or maybe not?? I can't seem to find what I first read) because their drummer was diagnosed with cancer.

I think this will help:
Remagine CD presentation
23-09-2005 Effenaar-Eindhoven

I just read it at their website :D

I think this will help:
Remagine CD presentation
23-09-2005 Effenaar-Eindhoven

I just read it at their website :D
Thanks!
Yep. Like I said, September. So late September though, even more time to wait :( :p

Hmmm....now I have to think about how I'm going to get it. No normal CD store will order it in I don't think. Damn that could be a problem.

I got Prison of Desire, lovelove. I really like Invisible Circles, too. Beautiful Emptiness is my favourite AF song.


I'm in love with Floor's voice.

Its amazing,I love each single song from Invinsible Circles!!
I can't stop listening to it!!I think my CD will melt :D !!
My favs in "love" order:
Beautiful Emptiness
Sins of Idealism
Blind Pain
Between Love and Fire
Life's Vortex
Digital Deceit
Through Square Eyes
Eccentric
Victim of Choices
Two Sides
Reflections

And from Prison of Desire I <3: Semblance of Confusion, Beyond Me and Inimical Chimera!!I haven't heard the whole album though:rolleyes: !!

I only just found out today that there's another female singer in "Beyond Me". I must be so stupid or deaf or something.

And its Sharon from Within Temptation which sings in it. Awesome song, two awesome singers.

I found this while googling!!
http://tinypic.com/69j805.bmp
My Prison of Desire cover is blue:confused: !Is this a limited or special edition?

My Prison of Desire cover is blue:confused: !Is this a limited or special edition?
mine's too, probably it doesn't make any difference...or it does?

http://www.masadsign.nl/llama/Pict/Cdcover/cd_afterforeverpod.jpg

I only just found out today that there's another female singer in "Beyond Me". I must be so stupid or deaf or something.

And its Sharon from Within Temptation which sings in it. Awesome song, two awesome singers.

Yeah, Beyond Me is one of my favourites. And Digital Deceit.. Monolith of Doubt.. Decipher.. I love After Forever.

Beyond me is one of my faves too but as a whole album goes, I'm in love with Invisible Circles. I could die for Eccentric because I can relate to that song 101%

I also love Imperfect Tenses. That's the first AF song I ever heard, I think.

I also love Imperfect Tenses. That's the first AF song I ever heard, I think.
Yeah that was the first song I heard too. That and Monolith of Doubt.

I love Imperfect Tenses too! I was wondering, is that guy that sings with Floor a guest singer or is part of the band (lol, I know stupid question but he could have a beautiful voice behind the grunting and whatnot ;))?

Guys,when did Mark left AF and created Epica?
Was it before or after Decipher?

I think it was after Decipher. I went a little AF crazy last night and tried finding interviews from a loooong time ago.

About more vidoes, I recently d/l the video for Emphasis. Not much, it's kind of like a live video. And I watched "Monolith of Doubt" live.. sweet jeebus, I love Floor's voice even better live!

And I found out that the guy singing with Floor in Imperfect Tenses is some tenor. I forget his name already. Meh.

Guys,when did Mark left AF and created Epica?
Was it before or after Decipher?
After Decipher, before Exordium I beleive.

I'm really getting into After Forever. I heard a couple of their songs about a year ago, and I liked them a little-but they didn't blow me away. Now I started listening to more of their stuff, and I'm in love. Floor's voice floors me. ;) Sins of Idealism is AMAZING! That's the only song I've heard from Invisible Circles...and I've heard several from Prison of Desire. I can't wait to listen to more-I'm glad I gave them a second chance, hehe.

I'm really getting into After Forever. I heard a couple of their songs about a year ago, and I liked them a little-but they didn't blow me away. Now I started listening to more of their stuff, and I'm in love. Floor's voice floors me. ;) Sins of Idealism is AMAZING! That's the only song I've heard from Invisible Circles...and I've heard several from Prison of Desire. I can't wait to listen to more-I'm glad I gave them a second chance, hehe.

Me too! I wasn't too impressed the first time I heard them, but this time I'm just completely blown away! I guess I wasn't really into that type of voice... I sort of worked my way up from Sharon (WT), then to Liv (LE), then Vibeke and now Floor. :)

Yeah, now that I've been listening to bands like Nightwish, Within Temptation, and Tristania for awhile, I'm used to that kind of voice. Before, I was totally new to it. Now I love it. :D

That's the only song I've heard from Invisible Circles...and I've heard several from Prison of Desire. I can't wait to listen to more-I'm glad I gave them a second chance, hehe.
Well, you HAVE to hear the rest of the album, every song is just as amazing!
At the moment I'm loving Prison of Desire again, although Decipher is awesome too!
What videos do AF have out, because I have yet to see any of them.

As far as I know, 2. lol! I know they made one for Emphasis & for My Choice. Although I'm not 100% sure, I'm sure they made one for Digital Deceit... because wasn't that their single from IC?

As far as I know, 2. lol! I know they made one for Emphasis & for My Choice. Although I'm not 100% sure, I'm sure they made one for Digital Deceit... because wasn't that their single from IC?
Yep Digital Deceit is a single, and aparantly yes it does have a video for it. Havn't seen it though.

I've got the video for Digital Deceit but it's not a very good quality. Plus the video doesn't make any sense to me. lol. then again it was 3am when i watched ti.

I'm totally stuck with AF!!!!
I know I've told this a thousand times but I <3 Invinsible Circles!!
Now, I'm listening to Prison of Desire and I realised that I like Sander's grunts more!!I don't but Mark seems too much!

I've got the video for Digital Deceit but it's not a very good quality. Plus the video doesn't make any sense to me. lol. then again it was 3am when i watched ti.
lol, lack of sleep can do that! ;)

I haven't listened to IC enough to see whose grunts I like better. Hmm.. that could sound bad...

Have any of you guys heard the song "For the Time Being"? It was a bonus track on Decipher. I <3 it. I don't know why they didn't include it on the album! I think it fits the album. It's my new favourite song. ^^

After listening to Beyond Me several times I believe its a great song, Foor's and Sharon's voices completely fit together but again its the grunts that ruin the beautiness!
IMO if it was gruntless it would be even better!!

After listening to Beyond Me several times I believe its a great song, Foor's and Sharon's voices completely fit together but again its the grunts that ruin the beautiness!
IMO if it was gruntless it would be even better!!
But After Forever without grunts would just not be right! It would no longer be the AFter Forever I know and love! :p
Hahaha but yeah when I first heard grunting music (tristania probably) i thought it was wierd. now i like it! :eek:

And Poppy, any chance you could send that video to me? :)

But After Forever without grunts would just not be right! It would no longer be the AFter Forever I know and love! :p
Hahaha but yeah when I first heard grunting music (tristania probably) i thought it was wierd. now i like it! :eek:


Not exactly what I wanted to say!I mean Beyond Me would be better without grunts not AF!And I agree with you AF wouldn't be AF anymore if they didn't have grunts!I hope this isn't more confusing than before [/not sarcastic]:D

I was just wondering if you guys know of any good AF websites. Besides their official one, obviously... I haven't had much luck with finding one (that's updated often).

Actually, what I most interested in is finding pictures. I want to make icons and whatnot. Any help will be appreciated! :)

I was just wondering if you guys know of any good AF websites. Besides their official one, obviously... I haven't had much luck with finding one (that's updated often).

Actually, what I most interested in is finding pictures. I want to make icons and whatnot. Any help will be appreciated! :)

I was also searching for pics and I found nothing!!
I don't know if I was searching wrong but I believe that there are fansites,they should be:D

Anyway,I bought Exordium!!
Its very different from Prison Of Desire and Invinsicble Circles!
The only song I like is My Choice but I haven't heard the rest much!

This is one of my best caps EVAR!!!
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/FreezingEmbrace/cap111.bmp

And this one:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/FreezingEmbrace/cap148.bmp

I've also found this:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/FreezingEmbrace/oio.bmp

And this:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/FreezingEmbrace/fsfsfs.bmp

Anyway,I bought Exordium!!
Its very different from Prison Of Desire and Invinsicble Circles!
The only song I like is My Choice but I haven't heard the rest much!
That's how I was like when I first got the album, but now I like them all! ....except for One Day I'll Fly Away (haha, I like Nicole Kidman singing it better :p) and The Evil That Men Do. ><;;

Nice pics, btw! :D

That's how I was like when I first got the album, but now I like them all! ....except for One Day I'll Fly Away (haha, I like Nicole Kidman singing it better :p) and The Evil That Men Do. ><;;

Nice pics, btw! :D

Hey,I was going to post that!!!
Now,I like the whole album except One Day I'll Fly Away!
I don't know why but this song gets on my nerves!
An I haven't heard the original one!The My Choice video is pretty good,It looks so real!!

Woot pictures finally! Where did you get them from? I couldn’t find ANY fan sites for AF, which is weird because I think their fairly popular and fairly well known over seas.

I'm searching again and found this interesting tid bit at wikipedia about Floor:

She joined Apocalypse (the name of the band on its early days) at the age of sixteen (in the year of 1997) and ever since then has been improving her vocal techinque; her dream is to sing in a musical.

Ummmm. PHANTOM? lol! I'm sorry, I'm still half obsessing over it and whenever I hear Floor sing, I think "Daaaaamn, she'd be a kick ass Christine!" Especially when I hear "Imperfect Tenses" with that tenor.. he could be the Phantom! :p

Frozen - I've never heard the original song either (of One Day I'll Fly Away), but I'm sure you can download the version that Nicole Kidman sang in Moulin Rouge. lol! :) It's quite good..or maybe I'm just too used to that one to enjoy AF's version.

Woot pictures finally! Where did you get them from? I couldn’t find ANY fan sites for AF, which is weird because I think their fairly popular and fairly well known over seas.

I was very lucky!I searched a lot!Try yahoo!!
The two first are caps I took while watching the My Choice video!
I'll post more soon!
Do you guys know any site to host my images in their original size?
Photobucket and tinypic always resize them:( !!

Ummmm. PHANTOM? lol! I'm sorry, I'm still half obsessing over it and whenever I hear Floor sing, I think "Daaaaamn, she'd be a kick ass Christine!" Especially when I hear "Imperfect Tenses" with that tenor.. he could be the Phantom! :p
HAHAHA yeah that would be interesting, its funny because I can hear my sister listening to Phatom of the Opera in the room next door right now :D

Ummmm. PHANTOM? lol! I'm sorry, I'm still half obsessing over it and whenever I hear Floor sing, I think "Daaaaamn, she'd be a kick ass Christine!" Especially when I hear "Imperfect Tenses" with that tenor.. he could be the Phantom! :p


Which song is that and From which band??It sounds really interesting Floor doing the Phantom!!Its usually a male part,lol!!

Some pics for you:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/FreezingEmbrace/af5.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/FreezingEmbrace/vdvdv.bmp
And a cap:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/FreezingEmbrace/cap155.bmp

Woot pictures finally! Where did you get them from? I couldn’t find ANY fan sites for AF, which is weird because I think their fairly popular and fairly well known over seas.


I no... we'll make one ;)


Nice caps Frozen, especially the first one, that one is really cool and pretty.
I found the last one on google. It is a very unique outfit that one.

Do you guys know any site to host my images in their original size?
Photobucket and tinypic always resize them:( !!

Photobucket works fine with me! Just as long as the file isn't too big, they won't resize it. :)

Which song is that and From which band??It sounds really interesting Floor doing the Phantom!!Its usually a male part,lol!!

Are you talking about "Imperfect Tenses"? :confused: That's a AF song! :p And I meant that Floor could be in the musical Phantom of the Opera. :D She'd play Christine! The Phantom's student.

Haha, we should make our own site! Except that I know basically nothing about the band and more about their music... :/

Are you talking about "Imperfect Tenses"? :confused: That's a AF song! :p And I meant that Floor could be in the musical Phantom of the Opera. :D She'd play Christine! The Phantom's student.

Haha, we should make our own site! Except that I know basically nothing about the band and more about their music... :/


Hehe,I'm such a d0rk :p !!

Yeah,we should definately make a fan site!!
I'm in and I can say that other two evboardes will be there for sure (Ony and AracneMorgana)!!

YES! I vote some starts a AF fansite difinately, because theres NOTHING out there! That would be an awesome thing to have, with pics, bio, and cool stuff!

Am I good or what??
*accepts the applaude*
*booo self-centered*
I'm in a spooky mood

Okay,I found a fansite,more a fanclub but it helps!
[shameless spam]www.beyondthem.com[/shameless spam]

Am I good or what??
*accepts the applaude*
*booo self-centered*
I'm in a spooky mood

Okay,I found a fansite,more a fanclub but it helps!
[shameless spam]www.beyondthem.com[/shameless spam]
Damn that website isn't much, and the sad thing is it looks like the main fansite out there!

COme on! Someone on here who knows how to do a website should start an AF fansite! Seriously

I saw them in december 04 at a festival. I didn't know them before, but some songs are really great:)..I like her voice..*who waaants to live forever...*:D

Just some caps (the only left to do)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/FreezingEmbrace/cap119.bmp

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/FreezingEmbrace/cap151.bmp

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/FreezingEmbrace/cap193.bmp

I don't know if its me but photobucket makes my caps really small:( !
Also,If the thing I have in mind works I'll give you a little surprise soon ;) !!

AFTER FOREVER – Remagine



1. Enter 1.06

2. Come 5.02

3. Boundaries are Open 3.44

4. Living Shields 4.11

5. Being Everyone 3.37

6. Attendance 3.27

7. Free of Doubt 4.40

8. Only Everything 6.33

9. Strong 3.38

10. Face your Demons 4.57

11. No Control 3.17

12. Forever 5.10



TMSP-055 barcode: 87.12488.98510.7 CD + DVD (Making Of)



TMSA-055 barcode: 87.12488.98517.6 – SACD

SACD Surround Sound 5.1 / Bonus Tracks;

13. Taste the Day 2.54

14. Live and Learn 4.16

15. Strong 3.40 – Piano Version

Not what I had in mind but its better than nothing :rolleyes: !

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Floor and Tarja:two great voices

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Floor and Bas

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Sander and Bas

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Cheers!

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Egg running?

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Hello hotness!

If anyone wants I can e-mail you the pics in their original size :D

OMG *fangasm* I can't wait! Wow they've already got the track listing and everything! wow

I'm gonna have to spend AGES planning on how to get this CD. Because it sure won't be in any CD store over here.

Maybe i'll try to somehow pre-order it over the internet.

BTW where did you get that tracklist I can't find anything about it anywhere on the net.

OMG *fangasm* I can't wait! Wow they've already got the track listing and everything! wow

I'm gonna have to spend AGES planning on how to get this CD. Because it sure won't be in any CD store over here.

Maybe i'll try to somehow pre-order it over the internet.

BTW where did you get that tracklist I can't find anything about it anywhere on the net.


forum.afterforever.com --- the official message board, Sander posts there, he has given quite alot of information away about the album, just look around, alot being in "Remagine - Topic!!!"

He has hinted that he might reveal the cover next week.

Nice pics guys! :)

And that tracklist looks pretty friggin' awesome. I can't wait til September!

As for websites, I know how to make one. My knowledge of HTML is very basic. But, I'm all in for making a website! :D

btw, Smytho you have a hot banner. :D Did you make it yourself?

btw, Smytho you have a hot banner. :D Did you make it yourself?
You mean my Lacuna Coil one? Yeah I made it. Well, edited it anyway, and added text.

Can't wait for a fansite lol

Sort of a poll question:
Which song(you cheaters,choose only one song) is your favorite from Prison of Desire,from Decipher,Exordium and from Invisible Circles?

Mine:
Semblance of Confusion
(I don't have Decipher yet)
Glorifying Means
Beautiful Emptiness

My current favourites are:

Prison of Desire:
Beyond Me

Decipher:
Imperfect Tenses

Exordium:
One Day I'll Fly Away

Invisible Circles:
Digital Deceit

My current favourites are:

Prison of Desire:
Beyond Me

Decipher:
Monolith of Doubt

Exordium:
The Evil that Men Do

Invisible Circles:
DIGITAL DECEIT OMGOMGOMG

Hehehehe, I copied your formatting mwuhahahah XD

Only one? *pout* Lemme try...

Prison of Desire --> I have a new appreciation for "Black Tomb". :)

Decipher --> My Pledge of Allegiance #1 (AND #2 lol, you can't have one without the other! :p)

Exordium --> It's a toughie... I wanna say "My Choice", but I think I'll go with "Beneath".

Invisible Circles --> Beautiful Emptiness

A lot of Digital Deceit!Maybe I should start listening to this song again!
You know,I'm stuck now with Through Square Eyes!!At first I didn't like it a lot but now I just love it!Floor's voice and Snder's grunts are amazing together!!I also love the choir part, it says so many true things!

Edit:I read somewhere that Remagine is a concept album like Invinsible Circles and Remagine is a mixed up word from Reflection and Imagine

Edit:I read somewhere that Remagine is a concept album like Invinsible Circles and Remagine is a mixed up word from Reflection and Imagine
LOL you got one out of two. The second part is right, about the name of the CD. But Remagine is not going to be a concept album I don't think, just a normal album apparantly.

OOOH and am I reading correctly!?! MARCO from NIGHTWISH is gonna sing on it! :eek:

This time, we didn't write a concept album, so lyricwise, there was more freedom.

LOL you got one out of two. The second part is right, about the name of the CD. But Remagine is not going to be a concept album I don't think, just a normal album apparantly.

OOOH and am I reading correctly!?! MARCO from NIGHTWISH is gonna sing on it! :eek:

LMAO!I thought I typed not a concept album and right now I was looking for the original text:

The songs are more compact, fresh, catchy and again; typically After Forever. In melodic aspect, the album will be more simular to Decipher....
It will not become a concept album just like Invisible Circles. The songs have several subjects, some about your imagined life when you dream, some about the reality of this world.

What??Marco??
This is gonna be a big surprise!!
Marco's vocals are perfect for AF but what about Sander and Bas?
Can't wait even more :D

What??Marco??
This is gonna be a big surprise!!
Marco's vocals are perfect for AF but what about Sander and Bas?
Can't wait even more :D
I know Marco will be the sex! Probably for only one song though.
But Bas is still on a few songs, I dunno about Sander.

I know Marco will be the sex! Probably for only one song though.
But Bas is still on a few songs, I dunno about Sander.

I hope he is (he=Sander)
Oooh,I found that Floor and Mark aren't relatives nor lovers!
It was just a coincidence!

Oooh,I found that Floor and Mark aren't relatives nor lovers!
It was just a coincidence!
You mean about their last names? I never knew they wern't related, that is a huge coincidence!

Jansen or Janssen is a very popular name there!!
Floor Jansen,Mark Jansen,Goen Janssen(piano in Epica),Famke Jansen(X-Men,Jean Grey),something Janssen(AF's driver) etc...

But Floor and Mark are definately not relatives nor married!

Jansen or Janssen is a very popular name there!!
Floor Jansen,Mark Jansen,Goen Janssen(piano in Epica),Famke Jansen(X-Men,Jean Grey),something Janssen(AF's driver) etc...

But Floor and Mark are definately not relatives nor married!
Ah that's right, I though the guy from Epica has the name Janssen or something. LOL very popular name, I've even got a freind with that name :p

Yay for UGLY coverart.

http://www.transmissionrecords.nl/images/content/Afterforeverhoesweb.jpg

Yay for UGLY coverart.

http://www.transmissionrecords.nl/images/content/Afterforeverhoesweb.jpg

This is the cover art for Remagine???
I can't say I'm impressed!Its their first album that has the band as a cover!
Awesome hair style though (Floor)

Is that really the CD artwork? Disappointing!

I saw that posted on the forums a few days ago, and I thought it was a joke lol. Ah well. Its all about the music anyway.

Jansen or Janssen is a very popular name there!!
Floor Jansen,Mark Jansen,Goen Janssen(piano in Epica),Famke Jansen(X-Men,Jean Grey),something Janssen(AF's driver) etc...

But Floor and Mark are definately not relatives nor married!
yup, jansen is the name you'll find the most around here
it's like the americans have a lot of smith's around...
(right?)

I know I'm late but I just realised that Floor sings more with her soprano voice in Prison of Desire!!Her voice is even more amazing every time I hear Prison of Desire!!
Her soprano style kicks asses in Leaden Legacy :D !!

*officially in love with Floor's soprano voice*

OMG!Go check their official website www.afterforever.com

Yeah, I think Smith is a pretty common last name. :)

Yay for UGLY coverart.

http://www.transmissionrecords.nl/images/content/Afterforeverhoesweb.jpg

I prefer cover arts that don't have the band on it. I like more artsy stuff.. lol! Like what AF has been doing with their other albums.

Oooh, that's a sweet opening! I'm so excited for the new album!

I prefer cover arts that don't have the band on it. I like more artsy stuff.. lol! Like what AF has been doing with their other albums.

Oooh, that's a sweet opening! I'm so excited for the new album!
I agree! The more I look at the new cover the more I realise how much it sucks! Its just like a photo from a photoshoot, not a CD cover! Their other ones are so much better, but ah well like I said before just hope the music is good and it doesn't matter about the cover.

I agree! The more I look at the new cover the more I realise how much it sucks! Its just like a photo from a photoshoot, not a CD cover! Their other ones are so much better, but ah well like I said before just hope the music is good and it doesn't matter about the cover.

You are right!
People who know AF's music won't give a sh*t about this cover!
Its all about the music and from the intro I've heard I'm pretty sure it will be awesome (like always!!)

You are right!
People who know AF's music won't give a sh*t about this cover!
Its all about the music and from the intro I've heard I'm pretty sure it will be awesome (like always!!)
Supposedly its more melodic which is always good, and more catchy which is also good. And well more everything lol, more guitar solos. Should be awesome!

i just bought their album and think its totally awesome. i havent got a favourite song yet, i need to listen to the album a few more times to decide.

i just bought their album and think its totally awesome. i havent got a favourite song yet, i need to listen to the album a few more times to decide.

Which album?
Invinsible Circles?

OMG!Another song sample at their website!
Its so cool!!!!

I'm annoyed at the electronic beats in the sample on the website; wasn't one song on Invisible Circles enough? Blah. I don't think After Forever should've ever adopt such a practice.

I'm annoyed at the electronic beats in the sample on the website; wasn't one song on Invisible Circles enough? Blah. I don't think After Forever should've ever adopt such a practice.
But you've got to LOVE the choirs and stuff on that intro! The choirs are fantastic! I'm really looking forward to this album, even though the cover sucks :p

OooooooooOOoooo, I so totally didn't know about the samples! I must have had my speakers off the last time I was there. :p

Listening to it right now, and I like it! :) I don't mind the "electronic beats" - I find them very uplifting. lol! Almost dance-worthy. ;)

OooooooooOOoooo, I so totally didn't know about the samples! I must have had my speakers off the last time I was there. :p

Listening to it right now, and I like it! :) I don't mind the "electronic beats" - I find them very uplifting. lol! Almost dance-worthy. ;)
I like it too, a lot. But I understand the concerns. As long as they don't go down the same path that Theatre of Tragedy did...that would be just a ...tragedy :p

I like it too, a lot. But I understand the concerns. As long as they don't go down the same path that Theatre of Tragedy did...that would be just a ...tragedy :p

OMG!I can't stop listening to the sample!Its awesome!!
I assume this song is Come!
I love these samples!They make me even more impatient!

I like it too, a lot. But I understand the concerns. As long as they don't go down the same path that Theatre of Tragedy did...that would be just a ...tragedy :p

Thats exactly it. But I don't think they will go down that path. And yes, I absolutely love the choir, it almost made me cry.

ooh, I hadn't listened the samples yet, really cool!
The new album def. sounds better than it looks. :p

I got sent Beautiful Emptinessn yesterday. It grows on me more and more each time i hear it. I love it at the moment. How many albums do they have out and when were they released? Help will be apreciated :)

I got sent Beautiful Emptinessn yesterday. It grows on me more and more each time i hear it. I love it at the moment. How many albums do they have out and when were they released? Help will be apreciated :)

They have 3 albums and one mini-album!
First album was Prison of Desire released in 2000 and followed by Decipher in 2001!In 2003 they released the mini-album/DVD Exordium and in 2004 Invinsible Circles(it has Beautiful Emptiness in it)!
In September they are releasing their new album Remagine!!

I got sent Beautiful Emptinessn yesterday. It grows on me more and more each time i hear it. I love it at the moment. How many albums do they have out and when were they released? Help will be apreciated :)
Frozen is spot on about the albums. And if you like that song, I seriously suggest you listen to the song Digital Deceit, off that same album Invisible Circles.

Hay guys, I went this morning for cd hunt,desperately searching for Decipher but I couldn't find it anywhere!Instead I found the two single Emphasis and Monolith of Doubt from Decipher!Already I <3 Monolith of Doubt and Imperfect Tenses!!

Hay guys, I went this morning for cd hunt,desperately searching for Decipher but I couldn't find it anywhere!Instead I found the two single Emphasis and Monolith of Doubt from Decipher!Already I <3 Monolith of Doubt and Imperfect Tenses!!
That’s cool, because the very first two songs I heard from After Forever were those two! Obviously I loved them so much, and then got all their work.

Forlorn Hope is awesome!I <3 it!I can't say I'm empressed by Empasis,I expected something better for a single but its still good!
Does anyone knows if there are videos for these two singles?
Also,which tracks does the My Choice single have?

There is a video for "Emphasis" and I've seen a live video of Monolith of Doubt. I didn't like the video for Emphasis. It was basically a live video... if you get what I mean.

But Frozen, you don't like Emphasis? I <3 it! There are very few AF songs I don't like: One Day I'll Fly Away... Inimical Chimera doesn't do anything for me. *shrug*

From IC, my new favourite songs are: Eccentric & Two Sides. :D

There is a video for "Emphasis" and I've seen a live video of Monolith of Doubt. I didn't like the video for Emphasis. It was basically a live video... if you get what I mean.

But Frozen, you don't like Emphasis? I <3 it! There are very few AF songs I don't like: One Day I'll Fly Away... Inimical Chimera doesn't do anything for me. *shrug*

From IC, my new favourite songs are: Eccentric & Two Sides. :D

I do like it now!I hadn't heard it much this morning but know I like it!
Not more than Monolith of Doubt but its good!
Is there another version of MoD?Cause on the single it says Single version!
Gosh Floor is amazing whn she does what she does during the 2:54 and 3:04!!
Just love her!!

I love all of AF songs, but for some reason Reflections isn't so good. I think that is because it's supposed to be like parts of all different other songs (hence the name 'reflections') and it doesn't sound too good. Just my opinion.

I love all of AF songs, but for some reason Reflections isn't so good. I think that is because it's supposed to be like parts of all different other songs (hence the name 'reflections') and it doesn't sound too good. Just my opinion.

Yeah, reflections is a really odd song but it has great lyrics!!;)
Hey,Smytho and crimson angel,when you were talking about Imperfect Tenses, which version did you have in mind?Cause the orchestral one kicks ass!!!

Yeah, reflections is a really odd song but it has great lyrics!!;)
Hey,Smytho and crimson angel,when you were talking about Imperfect Tenses, which version did you have in mind?Cause the orchestral one kicks ass!!!
What! I didn’t even know there was an orchestral version I will definitely have to check it out! Any chance you would upload it or something? I’ve only got the version from decipher

Eccentric

TEH most kickass AF song in my opinion *<3's it with every bone in her body*

Symtho if you want I can upload the ochestral version for you. I pretty much have the entire AF discography with Demo's and singles included. lol

TEH most kickass AF song in my opinion *<3's it with every bone in her body*

Symtho if you want I can upload the ochestral version for you. I pretty much have the entire AF discography with Demo's and singles included. lol

Demos?Demos?
Do you have Wings of Illusions?
*died to hear it*
Please,please upload some and don't mind I'll upload the orchestral version for Smytho!

yep i have it :D

*looks at folder* After Forver - 1999 Wings of Illusion (Demo) and 2 tracks. Wings of Illusion and Silence from a far.

I'll have to upload it later this evening because I'm downloading some stuff right now :)

Oh wow you have like demos and stuff! :eek: wow!
I have ONLY just what they have released on CD. All the albums plus the EP. No bonus tracks, or demos or extra stuff or anything. So anything you could share that’s not on an album would be awesome!
I’m really looking forward to the orchestral version that would sound awesome!

Thanks Poppy!!!

Smytho here you go: Imperfect Tenses(Orchestral Version) (http://rapidshare.de/files/3231288/04_Imperfect_Tenses_orchestral_version_.wma.html)

Thanks Poppy!!!

Smytho here you go: Imperfect Tenses(Orchestral Version) (http://rapidshare.de/files/3231288/04_Imperfect_Tenses_orchestral_version_.wma.html)
thankyou! I'll download it now and tell you what i think! (it may take a while :rolleyes: )

Oooh, Poppy darling, if you have it, could you upload any live songs? Like I've read of a capella versions of some songs... and then there's the live version of My Pledge of Allegiance (not sure which one)... *drools*

I'm not that familiar with After Forever, haven't heard a lot of songs of theirs. But I'm seeing them live tomorrow, and I'll further base my opinion on that performance:)

well acapella's and acoustics that I've got are just 2 *i think*

My Choice (acoustic) and Mea Culpa (acapella)

well acapella's and acoustics that I've got are just 2 *i think*

My Choice (acoustic) and Mea Culpa (acapella)

Mea Culpa acapella?Wow,I just can't imagine it!!
My Choice acoustic is in the My Choice Single?

I love Monolith of Doubt and Imperfect Tenses!
Damn,I have to search again for Decipher!!

I'm not that familiar with After Forever, haven't heard a lot of songs of theirs. But I'm seeing them live tomorrow, and I'll further base my opinion on that performance:)
Yeees! :D
I feel kinda bad though, because I wanted to go to this concert with a lot of songs learnt and all, but I haven't had time so.. I only will sing along in 3 or 4 songs, lol.

I love Monolith of Doubt and Imperfect Tenses!
Damn,I have to search again for Decipher!!
Decipher is the only album by AF that I have original! I love it!! I think it's my fave. :D

And thank you for the song! *must spread rep grrr* :p

Thankfully I remembered it!
There are some other unreleased tracks in the singles I got!
These tracks are Who Wants To Live Together and For The Time Being!
Want me to upload them?

Want me to upload them?
Definately! thankyou. :D

I love AF, but like I said the only stuff I have by them is off the official albums.

EDIT: Btw, aparantly Marco is only going to be singing in the bonus tracks, released on the single.

OOOH also they are soon travelling to Brazil (i think?) to shoot the video for the first single off the album!

Here you go:
Who Wants To Live Forever (http://rapidshare.de/files/3260798/02_Who_Wants_To_Live_Forever.wma.html)

I'll upload the other during night cause my pc is hot now!!:D

okaaaay. I've been on my uploading spree (wow. i never realised things uploaded so fast when i don't have my 5000000 downloads on. lol)

[1]. Wings of Illusion - 1999 Demo [2 tracks]
http://www.boomspeed.com/poppy411/folder.jpg
Wings of Illusion (http://rapidshare.de/files/3260073/After_Forever_-_01_-_Wings_of_Illusion.mp3.html)
Silence from a far (http://rapidshare.de/files/3260337/After_Forever_-_02_-_Silence_from_a_Far.mp3.html)

[2].Mea Culpa Acapella (http://rapidshare.de/files/3260456/After_Forever_-_04_-_Mea_Culpa__acapella_.mp3.html)

[3].My Choice Acoustic (http://rapidshare.de/files/3260686/03_-_My_CHoice__Acoustic_Version_.mp3.html)


[4]. Ephemeral - 1999 Demo [4 tracks]

Ephemeral (http://rapidshare.de/files/3260849/After_Forever_-_01_-_Ephemeral.mp3.html)
Black Tomb (http://rapidshare.de/files/3261143/After_Forever_-_02_-_Black_Tomb.mp3.html)
Tortuous Threnody (http://rapidshare.de/files/3261390/After_Forever_-_03_-_Tortuous_Threnody.mp3.html)
Inimical Chimera (http://rapidshare.de/files/3261618/After_Forever_-_04_-_Inimical_Chimera.mp3.html)

Frozen don't worry because I've uploaded the other one for you *is having fun uploading*

[1].For The Time Being (http://rapidshare.de/files/3261834/After_Forever_-_02_-_For_The_Time_Being.mp3.html)

there ye go. if anyone needs any others let me know

Wow!!!!Thanks Poppy!!
That's too much!!:D
My stupid pc and my crappy dial up take hours to upload one song!!
*waiting impatiently to download demo versions* :p

No problem :) Like I said, if there's any others that you or anyone else in this thread is interested, just tell me and I'll upload them for you. It's really no problem at all. I have quite a fast internet speed (which in 4 days it will double in speed. yay!)

OMG!!!Mea Culpa is amazing!Its the same but the voices are so clear!
And it has the begining of Yield to Temptation!!
God, I'm so envy of these guys going to Java Island!!

I downloaded the whole discography using Bittorent (well i use BitComet) :D

THANKS Poppy (and Frozen!) that's awesome wow a lot of cool songs to download. This will take ages. But yay more AF for meeeeeee!

:D *hugs Poppy* Thank you soo much! I can't wait until they're all downloaded... I need a faster connection badly.

I'm really getting into AF... soo many of their songs are just amazing. I love Monolith of Doubt and Beautiful Emptiness and everything! lol. I can't believe I almost stopped listening to them because I formed my opinion by listening to only 2 songs. :rolleyes: I'm glad I gave them a second chance!

After Forever they will come to Spain this autumn:D , and I have a lot desires of to listen the potential voice of Floor in live.

After Forever they will come to Spain this autumn:D , and I have a lot desires of to listen the potential voice of Floor in live.

I can only dream seeing them live!:rolleyes:
Maybe in the Metal Female Vouces Fest 3(?)
I'm sure she sounds awesome like in the albums!
Ony, will tell us how they were live when she revives from the concert :D !

I can only dream seeing them live!:rolleyes:
xD I expect that After Forever go to Greece so that your can see them in live! ;)

xD I expect that After Forever go to Greece so that your can see them in live! ;)

Thanks but I think this is pretty much impossible!
Well,I'm convinced that I have to go to them and I will eventually :D !
To those who went to the Java Eiland please post their setlist!!

A "small" interview I found with Floor and Sander about Remagine:

It is a hot day, and here in the south of the Netherlands it feels even hotter. We find ourselves in the centre of town Reuver. It is 18:30, and the bells of the big church start to ring when we enter the house of Floor Jansen and Sander Gommans. The first thing that we see is, of course, the enormous He-Man collection, which makes Sander also enormously proud. Proud is also the word that can be described Floor's and Sander's attitude towards After Forever's upcoming release, "Remagine," due out in the beginning of September. When they talk about their newest material, you can feel their enthusiasm and satisfaction, but also a certain curiosity about the future reactions of the fans. We are invited to the living room, where the stereo is ready for a preview of the new album. But before we get into the details concerning the individual songs, let's concentrate first on some general aspects of "Remagine."

"Invisible Circles," After Forever's previous release was a concept album. Everything was dependant on the story, everything had to be connected. The new cd has a very different character.

Sander: "I think that, because our previous album was a concept, the writing process of the new material went so smooth and natural. When you're busy with a concept, you have to take so many things into account. During the writing process of the new songs, we noticed that the compositions sounded more to the point. Melodies were clearer. The sound was stronger. The contrasts were more visible. There's also a lot going on on the vocal level."

Floor adds: "On this new album, I wanted to use my voice in still more different ways than earlier. I can sing in an operatic way, but I can also sing with a light falsetto voice. And I can also belt or use more of a rock-voice. I wanted to play more with my voice in a conscious way. For example the first composition of the album, "Come," contains an operatic chorus. But then really operatic. The verses and bridges are, however, more rocky. My goal with this album was to show more variety, to keep it all interesting. This time I used the falsetto voice in a very conscious way. It has come back on this album. But on the other hand, I don't only sing high. I think that metal and opera work pretty well together. Operatic singing is, however, very intense to listen to. And that is maybe the reason why Nightwish e.g. has been using it recentlyto a smaller extent. And that is also the reason why I don't do it nowadays all the time either. And also because I can do more than only sing in an operatic way. And therefore I consciously used this time my falsetto and my opera voice, to make a distinction between these two ways of singing. Tarja from Nightwish - that's real operatic singing, and Sharon from Within Temptation sings more with a light falsetto. Both sing high, but the character is different. And I wanted to emphasize this distinction by using both voices, and combine them with some other things. To keep it interesting. Metal is such a varied genre, with so much power. Some bands, however, sound all the time hard and heavy, and after a while you don't notice anymore that it's actually so hard. Heavy moments combined with calmer parts sound even heavier. And it goes the same with singing."

The new cd is already being promoted as the quintessensial After Forever release: on the one hand, we get to hear many old, trusted elements, but on the other hand, the album is still fresh, and there are also many new aspects to be discovered.

Sander: "The old elements are the melodies, which are now more present. Not thousand melodies at the same time anymore, but melodies that come strongly on the surface. That was also on the first albums. Later, with "Invisible Circles" we moved into a different, more progressive direction. I also think that you hear the old elements in Floor's voice, though it sounds now way better and is used in many more ways. But the idea of the operatic singing is back now.

Floor adds: "And Arabic things. That's not really new, that's something that has always been in our music."

Sander continues: "And, of course, another new element: Joost."

Indeed - "Remagine" is the first After Forever's album in a new line-up. The first one with the keyboard-player Joost van den Broek. During our conversation, and also while listening to the new compositions, it becomes clear that Joost's influence has been extremely important. Both Sander and Floor speak with lots of pride and admiration about him:

Sander: "When you listen to the album, you can hear that we have now a real keyboard player. Not just someone who just plays things, in a classical way only. We have now someone who brings a different sound to a cd. He does many different things. And he has also co-written the music. So he brought his influence to the songs when it comes to the composition, the form and the sound"

Floor adds: "He creates his own sounds. You won't hear him playing any standard Casio-things, or some stuff from a sampler. Joost has also his own typical style of creating melodies. He has more of a progressive background, and you might think that the cd would contain many keyboard solos, but that's not the case. He knows how to write in a functional way. And you can hear it well. The collaboration of Sander and Joost is really something fantastic. They went into the rehearsal room and there was some kind of fire, some chemistry. They were writing one song after another"

Sander adds: "I have never experienced it with anyone else. I never could write songs so smoothly together with someone. I have never had this sort of chemistry with someone before."

Floor continues: "Actually together they created the basis of every composition. The rest was only the matter of filling things in: 'Look guys, this is the verse, this is the chorus, and here comes the mid-piece, etc. It's gonna be like this. Could you maybe play here something like this? Could you do this and that here?' And in this way others gave their contributions. That's how it went. Not that their role was not important, since without them you don't have the After Forever-sound. But Joost's influence is really huge."

Sander: "For the first time there was someone who was also thinking in the terms of production. I am myself pretty much busy with such things, but there was earlier no one who would think in the same way. 'If we play it like this, then it's gonna sound like that on the cd.' And that's important. Joost knew already beforehand how he wanted songs to sound. He had a big influence. And then Floor's vocals completed in all perfectly. I couldn't have wished for a better process than the way it all went now. Really fantastic!"

As we can see, the band knew already before entering the studio how they would like their new cd to sound. Which aspects of the sound were most important for them?

Sander: "We wanted the cd to sound modern. To sound clearer and hard. And we have succeeded. We wanted the vocals to be in front, but not in such a way that the rest becomes soft. We wanted the audience to hear all the things that Floor does with her voice well. There are way more things going on than on our previous albums. The mix was done by Sascha Paeth and Philip Colodetti in the Gate studio, in Wolfsburg. We were there during the mixing process of the first track, and we told them what we wanted. The rest of the songs came to us per emai, and Joost and me sent messages back, telling Sascha and Philip what we thought. But I think the pre-production, done by Joost, gave already a clear impression of what we meant"

Floor adds: "We all listen more to rock and metal than to, let's say, gothic music. I think we have always been a pretty heavy band, but I think that only now it is clearer than before. I guess if we recorded 'Decipher' with the same sound as 'Remagine', it would also sound way harder. The mix of 'Decipher' was pretty ok, but not really very heavy. The new cd has really much more power. And there's much more space. Already beforehand , from the moment that the very first note was written, more space was created. So in the parts when guitars play the most important role, they indeed play the most important role. The keyboards complete the parts, but that's it. It's not that we have here some keyboard line, and there again some different melody. There's more space, and that's why the cd sounds more powerful. When a keyboard melody comes, or a choir part, then there's more space for that element in the song. Everything is on its own place. And calmer parts are then really calm. And very minimal. This time it was mostly the matter of throwing unnecessary things away. That's why the album really rocks!"

"Remagine" was recorded mostly in the Excess studio, in Rotterdam. Some parts, however, like Floor's vocals, choirs and strings, were recorded in Wolfsburg, Germany, in Sascha Peath's studio. Grunts and the vocals of Bas Maas (the band's guitarist) were recorded in Sander's home studio, in Reuver. Why has the band chosen for this combination? Didn't they consider the option to record everything in Wolfsburg or e.g. everything in Rotterdam?

Sander explains: "I guess it has to do with me. I know that Sascha is an incredibly talented person. Especially now I know it. I know his productions do not necessarily have to sound the same, like Kamelot, Epica or Rhapsody. I know he can deliver varied productions. But somehow the albums from his studio that I mostly get to hear are always very much filled with things that I don't like. And me, I love an open sound. The other thing is that we, as a band, want to have a nice atmosphere during the recordings by having more band members together at the same time in the studio. It's not really possible in Wolfsburg, since it's so far away. And in the Excess studio we can sleep and eat together. The atmosphere is great. And Hans Pieters (from the Excess studio) is someone who knows his job and he lets you decide. He even lets you record things yourself. So we have actually taken the production of this cd in our own hands to a big extent."

Like the last time, during the "Invisible Circles"-sessions, Floor went to record her vocals to Wolfsburg and collaborated there with a vocal coach, Amanda Somerville.

Floor: "When I record my vocals, I need someone who helps with express the right emotions. I don't necessarily need someone who would assist me with the technical aspects. 'Floor, hold your stomach in!' or something like that. I know it all. But because I write my own vocals and because I practise so much, some level of spontaneity gets lost. I have some certain idea of how things should sound, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's the one and only way. That's why I am open for other suggestions. Someone who would tell me:'Floor, more emotion, try it like this, etc' And such a relation I have with Amanda. It worked already perfectly during the recordings of the previous album. In no time we became friends. But apart from that, there's this chemistry between us. She knows what I mean and can complete me. And that's most important. The previous time I felt more need for support. And also in helping me with some vocal melodies. I write my own parts, and then we look at it in the studio together. Is that ok? Or maybe it can get better? This time I wanted to do that again, but actually hardly anything has changed because it was already good. It's not because my vocal melodies are not good enough, and then I go to the studio to make something out of it. But just because I think that when someone assists me, then it all can get maybe still better. I also have learnt a lot from the last time. So I paid more attention to the structure, I tried to make it more catchy, and to write the lyrics in a more logical way. And then during the recordings, Amanda was next to me, telling me: 'Floor, more emotion, open your mouth, too much vibration, too little vibration, too early, too late, etc.' This kind of things. When there's someone assisting you, the singing can get only better. She gets the very best out of me. And that's most important for me that someone supports me. I have to admit that it was not that easy. During the first week I was there alone. Sander was still in the Netherlands. We felt bad about André. And then Sander comes to Germany and gets appendicitis. Of course, it has a big influence on you. You have to go with him to the hospital. And then you have to record your vocal lines again. That's why it was really fine that I had Amanda next to me."

Sander adds: "It's really one big family there in Germany. We really have great contact with everyone. I miss them immediately when I am not there. It's really nice in Wolfsburg. Those are all fantastic people."

Floor: "So Sander became ill, and he still had to record his grunts. But recording grunts with a painful belly doesn't really work. That's why we couln't record grunts in Wolfsburg. We have decided to do it here, in our home studio downstairs. We already had done our pre-production here, and it all went really well. The results were so good that we decided to record the grunts and the vocals of Bas here in Reuver."

Like it has been said already earlier, the choirs were this time also recorded in Wolfsburg.

Floor: "We had a really fantastic choir. Amanda also sings in it. I am the soprano. The mezzo-soprano is sung by an Icelandic singer. Amanda sings the alto. All the male voices are done by Previn. He's really incredible"

It seems that After Forever has found a great team of people with whom they can get along perfectly on a professional as well as personal level. Not only in Wolfsburg, but also with Hans Pieters from the Excess studio.

Sander: "His best quality is his calmness. And the fact that he can work with people who have their own clear ideas and that he executes it all without saying: 'I know it better, etc.' We, as a band, have our own vision, and he allows us to let it all come on the cd. But he still controls things to a certain extent, and if there's something that doesn't make sense to him, then he interferes. But he still doesn't block the whole creative process of the band. And that's exactly what we need."

We have already discussed the music and the production. Let's now move to the lyrical aspect of the album. Lyrics, just like the last time, were written by Floor. However, this time the work went very different, since was no story now, no concept, no main leading theme.

Floor: "Well, a couple of songs deal with dreams. 'Enter' and 'Come' are about falling into a dream. And you see these grotesque, theatrical figures who invite you: 'Come join us all.' Such an unreal situation. You just enter a dream. And 'Being Everyone' and 'Only Everything' are also about dreams. But from a different point of view. It's not really a description of one dream. That would be even impossible to do. And I couldn't do that to myself. My dreams are not that nice (laughs). I don't know why. But it's definitely not a concept. It's more of a coincidence that dreams appear in more songs. There is also a song about the events of Beslan, 'Living Shields.' I also wrote a couple of personal lyrics. So there are more different topics this time."

Let's now concentrate more on the individual songs.

The intro, "Enter," is quite unlike any other After Forever intro. Like Floor already earlier mentioned, it represents the moment when you enter a dream. Or shall I say a nightmare? This piece sounds quite threatening. We get to hear many different voices (a funny detail is that some of them come from Joost and Sander), and the keyboards create a really disturbing atmosphere.

The intro is connected (musically and thematically) to the first real composition on "Remagine," namely "Come." I think this song pretty much sums up what After Forever now stands for. It contains many typical After Forever elements, like tempo changes, choirs, high operatic vocals. But it also introduces some new aspects, like more progressive sounding keyboards, more playing with keyboard sounds, a nice piano outro that reminded me of some black and white films from the 1930's or 40's. The vocals of Floor sound very varied. In verses and bridges she uses her rock voice; a bit like on "Invisible Circles," but in the chorus she uses her operatic vocals. The chorus is also a very memorable moment, since it brings a change in the mood to the song and its melody is really beautiful. The choirs sound also way stronger than on "Invisible Circles." There's more dynamics in them, more expression. Especially the male vocals sound now stronger. I thought the male choir parts on the precious cd were pretty soft, lacking some power. All in all, "Come" is a very dynamic song and a strong opener of the album.

The next song, "Boundaries Are Open," is more of a straight-forward, rock composition. Mid-tempo, very catchy, with strong riffs. This one has a really 80's-feel.

"Living Shields" is a more intense song. The first one on the album with grunts. In this composition choirs have quite an important role. Like it has been mentioned earlier, Floor wrote the lyrics shocked by the events of 1 september 2004 frim Beslan, where many school children were taken hostage, and finally, killed by terrorists. Floor: "I wanted to describe what happens when different religions and different ethnical groups clash together." The choir represents the voices of the children. The atmosphere of the song, ans also its topic, reminded me a bit of Nightwish's composition "Kinslayer." Though this one is more aggressive and more dynamic. It should do very well live.

"Being Everyone" which follows is going to be the (first) single from "Remagine." It's according to Sander a "feel-good track." It begins with a calm intro, where Floor uses her falsetto. Her voice sounds delicate. The whole song is very catchy, and less "extreme" than other songs on the album. Therefore it's quite easy to understand why this particular track has been chosen for a single. It's indeed, like Floor her described it, "the most mainstream song" from the album. It contains a beautiful mid-piece with a nice piano and lovely vocals.

The next song, "Attendance," is probably most "different" from what we are used to from After Forever. It is based around a heavy, industrial beat. The atmosphere is quite threatening. It contains grunts, but this time Sander uses his voice in a slightly different way. The mid-piece features a nice choir part accompanied by high, more atmospheric vocals of Floor.

Floor: "In this song I am wondering what someone would experience if they came to our Planet Earth for the very first time. Someone with a similar background, with similar values. What we consider as good and what we consider as bad. You come on the Earth. What do you see then first? Do you see beautiful things that can be found here? Or do you see the bad things? In the chorus I sing from the perspective of someone who stands at the airport and welcomes the tourists: 'Now enter, here's our dream-world. View the splendid sights. You can always tell we'll never learn.' You can immedialtey notice that humans do not learn. It's cynical: 'Look, this is our 'wonderful' world.'

Sander: "This is actually a song that was planned from the beginning. Some months ago we went on tour with Oomph and Samael. And Samael has this kind of compositions. With this kind of feel. Joost and me really liked it. And then we decided to experiment with this style. Actually it contains some parts from the first song we wrote for this cd, but eventually threw away. However, we used one riff, one riddle in 'Attendance.' Later on I put on 'Monsters of Rock' by Judas Priest at home, and I became very enthusiastic. This is such a great track. This song also contains the atmosphere we were trying to achieve."

The song that follows, "Free of Doubt," is again fast and hard, with a heavy mid-piece. The keyboards accents are very present. The singing is very varied.

The next composition, "Only Everything," might be seen as the centrepiece of the album. It's the longest song on the cd, and also the most varied one. It begins in a calm way, with piano and acoustic guitars. Sometimes we hear very unusual keyboard sounds. Floor's vocals in this part are definitely one of the vocal highlights of "Remagine." A lot of emotion, lots of delicacy. Later on, the song changes its course. The transition to the harder part is very strong. The singing also becomes stronger. Later on we get many heavy up-tempo parts with grunts, cool guitar riffs and choirs. Floor called the choir parts even "rapping with opera." A rich and very powerful song.

Floor: "'Only Everything' is one of the lyrics about dreams. At night you can actually do everything you want. You can go everywhere, you can be everyone. 'Being Everyone' (as mentioned earlier) is also about dreams, that in a dream you can be everyone. You dream that you're someone else. Sometimes I dream that I am a man, and I find it absolutely normal. But you can also be many different people within one dream. So within one dream you switch to someone else. There can be 5 different people in one dream, and sometimes for a while you look at things through the eyes of one of them. 'Only Everything 'is not really written from a perspective of someone. But it's more about how remarkable things can be in dreams. The title is inspired by Clive Barker, a famous fantasy authour. He has a book called 'Galilee,' which is written from a personal perspective. It's like a diary of one character. This person doesn't know what he wants, but he wants everything. Only everything. I liked it so much. That describes in a way what you can do and what you want to do at night in a dream.You want only everything."

The next song, "Strong," is according to Sander "the best After Forever ballad ever. No other ballad of ours can top this one. There's so much emotion in it." It begins with a delicate singing, a nice melody, with a atmospheric beat beneath it all. The song has a very melancholic atmosphere. When we find out what inspired Floor to write the lyrics, it become obvious why it sounds so melancholic. Floor has difficulty with keeping her eyes dry when she hears this song.

Floor: "It is one of the most personal lyrics I have ever written. It's about my mother. I have written it about her. Some years ago the doctors diagnosed her with arthritis, a form of rheumatism. I thought it was really terrible. And she herself of course too. In the beginning she found it difficult to learn to live with it. You know that you have something that cannot go away. Something that can only get worse. You cannot do many things anymore. And that while you're still quite young. My mother became 50 last year. So this song was dedicated to her. How great she can deal with this problem. And how strong she is. It's a coincidence - well, a "coincidence" is really a bad word to describe it - that this song also has a lot to do with Andre's (Borgman, the band's drummer, diagnosed with cancer - ed.) situation. With his illness. And not only his. Also of Marielle and Peter from the fanclub. People who are so ill, but who can deal with it in such a strong way. This song was originally written without drums. Later on we thought it would sound actually better with drums. And Andre recorded his drum parts, during his illness, in between the chemotherapies. One day when he felt better he came to the studio and recorded his parts."

Another striking element about 'Strong" is a long, emotional guitar solo, played by Sander. The solo was recorded in one take.

Sander: "You cannot play such a solo 1000 times in a row. There has to be some emotion in it. I still played it a couple of times more, but there was way less feeling, emotion in it. The solo could be maybe better when it comes to the timing, etc. But that doesn't matter. It has to sound real. You hear the emotions there."

Floor adds: "It was difficult for me to sing this song. You cannot really sing when you're crying. Your throat is squeezed. But you still have to translate your emotions into singing. At the end of the song I sing: 'And together we will stand strong.' That last word sounds so fragile. But I left it like this. There's emotion in it. It's very poignant."

The following song, "Face Your Demons," is one of the most interesting songs on the album, if not the most interesting one, when it comes to the vocals. There are many little vocal experiments, Floor plays with her voice in many different ways. The song contains many quite challenging vocal lines. It's a pretty up-tempo, dynamic track.

Floor: "The lyrics are a bit sarcastic. It's like there's a little red devil sitting on your shoulder, that makes you do all kinds of bad things, and confronts you with your most negative fears. You have to 'face your demons.' To look your fears into the eye. This is not a very personal lyric. First I wanted to write about my own fears, or fear in general. But later I thought it might be too heavy fot this track. That wouldn't fit here. So I wrote about it from another, more humoristic perspective."

"No Control," the track that follows, is quite a striking composition. Like Floor has described it, it's "the Yield to Temptation of this album." The song is very aggressive, very raw, containing many grunts, and singing of Bas. And no Floor! For the first time in the history of After Forever Floor's vocals do not appear in a composition (except for the intros). What was the idea behind it? Was it done on purpose?

Floor explains: "It's a really heavy track. I thought to myself: 'I don't think it would add anything if my vocals were in it.' For example 'Blind Pain' from 'Invisible Circles' is such a hard track, and when my voice appears, however I would sing, it gives the whole song a somewhat calmer quality. It makes it 'rounder,' more melodic. And this one track had to remain really raw."

Sander: "Floor wrote the lyrics about me. About how much I can get annoyed about ceratin people and certain rules in the music world. Things I cannot stand. I cannot let some things loose and I keep feeling annoyed."

Floor adds: "Sander gives more than 100% to something, and then because of some rules things are not possible anymore. So he has 'no control.' It's about losing the grip of something. It's really irritating. Quite funny that those are my words about him, sung by him himself."

Sander: "And it's all true. When I read it, I thought: 'Yes, it is exactly like this.' But I could never write it all in such a way. I'm no lyric-writer." The annoying thing is that you want some things as a band, you have some ambitions, but something stands in the way. It also has to do with the fact that we are placed in this genre. The ones listening to heavy metal say: 'Ah, After Forever, that's a soft gothic band.' But on the other hand, the gothic fans say: 'After Forever is not gothic anymore.' So we are trying to find our own place. And you can do two things. To do what everyone wants you to do. Or do what you want yourself. The first thing is not really a problem, but then you're just not honest. Of course, we want to sell a lot fo records and to reach as big audience as possible. There's nothing wrong with it. It would be even strange not to want it. But the audience has to also understand that we want to be honest as a band. And we don't want to do what people expect from us."

Which brings us to the last song on the album, "Forever." This one can be called a pretty typical After Forever song. I got the idea it sounded a bit more bombastic than the other songs on the cd. It contains Arabic / Eastern motives in the music, but also in the vocal melodies. The whole song is a duet between Bas and Floor.

Floor: "The subject of this song comes from Bas. We wrote the lyrics together. It's about a man (Bas) who has lost his beloved. I sing the part of that woman. I am dead. I can talk to him, but he cannot hear me. And he tells about his frustrations, and anger, and his pain. Actually it's a little love story. But not that banal."

After having listened to the album "proper," we also got to hear the two bonus tracks which will appear on the Super Audio version the cd. The track "Taste The Day" was originally called "Remagine." It's a nice ballad, with a melodic chorus and nice piano. The second song, "Live and Learn" can be seen a sequel to "The Key." Musically it's not really related, but thematically it touches the same problem.

Floor: "'The Key' on 'Decipher' dealt with the fact that I always tend to aim too high. I expect a lot from myself. Which is not really a bad thing. Except when you expect too much. There are 10 things to do. 9 things went well, 1 not, and you're not satisfied. And that's what bothered me then. Now I'm older, and maybe also a bit wiser. I still have that feeling, but I'm one step further. I can see also positive things in it. I can see it as a challenge to be able to deal with it."

After the "listening-session" we still had some time to talk about a couple of different issues. The topic of Andre came back again. During his illness he visited the studio in Rotterdam a couple of times. How did the other band members experience these visits?

Sander: "It had of course a lot of positive influence on us. When you don't see him at all, then you start thinking of him as a very sick person, which he also was of course. But when he visited us we got a different image of him. You could see what he'd been through. But not like you saw someone terribly down, or someone who totally lost all the joy of life. He was exactly the way he always was. Even more enthusiastic. He was someone who hasn't lost hope. This visit was very important for us. But I think also for himself. First of all, it already helped him to know that his drum parts from the pre-production were used for the album. If that hadn't been the case, it could have felt for him like a slap in his face."



After that we went to discuss the band's new album cover. This little image has stirred a lot of controversy. It is indeed quite unlike any other older After Forever cd-cover. It features a band photo, and presents also a new look of the band. Both Sander and Floor admit that it was a conscious decision, some kind of a statement.

Sander: "We wanted to present ourselves more as a band with balls. Because that's what we are. We are not a band that loves unnecessary decorations or posed sadness."

Floor: "The cover presents us as a rock band. More like an old heavy metal band, but then in a new form. Without all the tight leggins or bug hairdos. This is After Forever. This is our face."

So the new cd presents the band's new image and also a pretty new approach towards music. How do Sander and Floor look back now at their older releases?

Sander: "Well, at the moment when an album is released, we see it as our best work. Otherwise we don't release it. So at the moment when it comes out, it contains for us no weak points. I can try to look back, but there's no point really. All the weak things you hear now, are maybe left unnoticed by your audience. When an album comes out, you stand behind it totally. At the moment when all these albums were released I was proud as a peacock. I am still proud of all of them. Nothing feels like a new release. However, when I listen to 'Prison of Desire' or 'Decipher' now I still hear the flaws in our playing, the sound that I don't like anymore. And when you compare Floor's voice to how it sounds now…"

Does it feel the same for Floor?

Floor: "In a way, yes. But I still can place myself in those times. That's what you have to do. You approach music now differently. You listen to music also in a different way. You write in a different way. I just did some stuff on 'Prison of Desire.' I did what I thought sounded good, and it fit to the rest. Now I'm more aware of my voice. Now I hear some things, and I think: 'Oh, I shoud have done it differently.' But it's not really relevant anymore. When the first cd was released, we were indeed as proud as a peacock. There was some magic in it. We cannot make such a cd anymore. We wouldn't want to, but it was really something special for that time. And when you think how old we were at that time. How young I was. I didn't have any experience with singing. Had never had any singing lessons before. Though some reviewers still called me 'a classically-trained soprano.' That was not bad. But on the other hand, I still sometimes think: 'Shit, If I had had some experience then, some musical background, it would have sounded better.' But there's also something positive about looking back at all these cds from 'Prison of Desire' through 'Decipher,''Exordium' and 'Invisible Circles' to the new album. I see my personal growth. And I'm proud of it. It's something I work on very hard as a singer. You can see my evolution. There are many songs on these cds that are very strong. For example 'My Pledge of Allegiance.' That's one of our best compositionss, I think.But you listen to these albums in a different way than someone who's not that much busy with music. And you listen to them differently because you can never be objective. You always know how it felt then and how it feels now. You can also get tired of some songs."

And what are according to Sander and Floor the strongest aspects of the new album?

Floor: "For me the variation. The wide spectre of my own contribution, as well as the music itself."

Sander: "I agree with Floor. I also think the purity and honesty of this album are its strong aspects."

Floor adds: "And also the fact that we did it all ourselves. There are so many bands that let the people from the studio do all the work. Especially in this genre. All depends on who produces it and who does the arrangements. I don't want to underestimate anyone, but I am extremely proud that we could do it all ourselves. And that in spite of all the obstacles, 'Remagine' has become a very strong cd."

wow, that was really short, haha. :eek: *saves it to read it later*

Soooo I got to see AF live in the WT concert and they are great!! Floor puts weird faces while singing. :p I took some photos, they aren't any good (i was far and the lights were bad) but I'm uploading them anyway.

And I also did a video (58 seconds) of Sharon singing Beyond Me with them!! :D :D The audio sucks.. but you can kinda hear it. :p I'll edit this later with the links.