Ok, I read this in the magazine and I decided to translate is so all of you could read it. Hmm, I would say it is a rather interesting interview and an equally interesting concert review.
But beware, the author is a bit, how should I say it, biased, impaired, not objective. Well, read for yourselves.


Prologue
Evanescence is one of those bands who are right now having great success with their debut album "Fallen", which has reached 5 times platinum in the US, 2 times here in Greece. They have also won 2 Grammys and have sold over 11 million copies of their album. Personally that doesn't say to me anything. But that doesn't concern you a lot, right? Rock On magazine was one of the few who could get close to them because of their first live performance here and Greece, and I guess that this fact does concern you. We got close to the bands young front woman Amy Lee (interviewer's note: her eyes are extraordinary but otherwise her face looks like Sailor Moon, for everyone who knows Greek he described her as feggaro!!!!!!!!) although she forced us to also take an interview of her new lover, who is no one else than Shaun Morgan, singer-guitarist of Evanescence’s support band Seether. What else are we going to see....

The Interview
How do you like Greece thus far?
Amy: It is very beautiful. The food is good. Everything's nice.

Do you have plans on a follow-up to "Fallen" in the immediate future or are you going to continue promote "Fallen" touring and releasing more singles or videos?
Amy: We are ready to work for our new album. We will have another small tour in the US with Seether for five weeks and the rest of the year we are not going to tour at all, and we will start to write some new stuff. We will try to be as creative as we can and we aren't afraid of experiments. We can't wait to get into the studio again.

You are participating in the soundtrack of the movie "Punisher" with the song "Broken" with Amy's vocals. How did this collaboration occur?
Shaun: We wrote this song 3 years ago. During the recording of our first album we wanted Amy to participate, who came into the studio and sang her part, but due to some problems with the song it didn't make it to the album. In January we were in L.A. and the producer of "Punisher" contacted us and gave us the opportunity to put this song in the soundtrack. We suggested that it should be recorded again and they said that would be fine. And when Amy came, we added some strings without hurry and the result was very good. In the beginning it was going to be only for the soundtrack but the song did so good that we decided to also release it. Our company wanted to put it in our forthcoming record but we wanted it to be in the re-release.

Do you believe that your participation in this soundtrack will give you the same opportunity which Evanescence had with "Bring me to life" which was in the "Daredevil" soundtrack?
Shaun: I think the same thing happened to Creed. I hadn't heard of them in South Africa until "Higher" came out and they became known through the soundtrack. In general the recognition a band has through such a record is very high, and that's why companies often try that route. Except for being in the soundtrack of "Daredevil", "Bring me to life" was a very strong song
which made a big impression and stayed with you. "Broken" is a more quieter song and I don't know if we are going to have the same success as Evanescence. Time will tell....
Amy: To participate in a soundtrack helps you a lot to get noticed in a worldwide level. The promotion needed to be done from a company for a band to become internationally known requires a lot of work and isn't usually done. But if the song is already on a soundtrack, everything becomes easier and it is easier for a song to be successful. The truth is that this gave us the chance to get known to the entire world.

Your guitarist, Ben Moody, isn't a member of the band anymore. What will be the consequence of that, since Ben was also one of the major composers of Evanescence's music?
Amy: He wasn't the major composer, we were both equally responsible for the composing of the songs. The fact that Ben left the band is going to, obviously, change our sound a bit, but we are very happy with this change, because Ben was moving into an entirely different musical direction than the rest of the band. Right now we all have come closer as a group, we communicate better with each other, we enjoy playing live, while Ben had begun to negatively affect the band.
Shaun: The best way for someone to understand this is to listen to the instrumental piece Ben has written for the soundtrack, it really sucks. He tries to be like Evanescence, but to no avail. It is totally different.

European bands like The Gathering, Lacuna Coil, Nightwish, had combined a few years earlier before of you heavy guitars with female vocals, but they stayed in a more underground level. Maybe the fact that they didn't had a big company behind them and that they don't come from the US plays a part in this?
Amy: Look.... I don't think that this has anything to do with it. To tell you the truth, I haven't heard of any of these bands before the recording of "Fallen" and when I heard them, I can't say that I was moved by them. That they haven't had a bigger success is based on other reasons. I don't to which extent the music of those bands comes from their hearts, but I can say that this is definitely true for us. Also we have totally different influences and backgrounds, since we don't show up dressed with Matrix style clothes in our personal lives and we have different topics in our songs. A lot of things play a part.

So what do you have to say. I found Shaun's comment of Ben's song a bit out of place.

So what do you have to say. I found Shaun's comment of Ben's song a bit out of place.

Same here! And I also found Amy's comment about Nightwish, Lacuna Coil etc kinda ... I dunno ... stupid maybe?

Thanks for the artical. :)


I'm glad Shaun got to talk alot.

I haven't heard Ben's new accoustic song yet, but his contribution to the Punisher soundtrack sounded very Evanescence to me. As far as Amy's comments on those other bands, it didn't really bother me. I don't think that Evanescence is like those bands, and I personally don't care for them. Making it big in the music business is just timing and luck. Apparently those bands just haven't had the right timing YET.

I thought the whole thing was rather stupid. I think that part of it came from the obvious bias of the author. He did his damndest to make Ev look like shit, and geez...I think he almost succeeded.

I haven't heard Ben's instrumental from the Punisher soundtrack, so I can't make an opinion of it yet. However, I think Shaun was just expressing his opinion, and I DON'T think it would be a very good idea to blast him for it, as a lot of people on here like to do.

Amy's response to that other question was okay, IMO, because the guy basically insinuated that Ev copied off of other bands and happened to be successful.

Geez. Talk about subjective writing. Okay, so some authors out there don't like Ev. That's fine. But at least try to be a bit objective before you go lambasting a band. A concert review that's negative is okay. A concert review that tears apart the band before the concert even starts is not. An interview where the questioner is extremely biased against the band and doesn't care if they know it is not.

Interesting, nonetheless. I will say no more.

I haven't heard Ben's new accoustic song yet, but his contribution to the Punisher soundtrack sounded very Evanescence to me. As far as Amy's comments on those other bands, it didn't really bother me. I don't think that Evanescence is like those bands, and I personally don't care for them. Making it big in the music business is just timing and luck. Apparently those bands just haven't had the right timing yet.

Yeah, I only want to say that these three bands are maybe the three biggest and hugest and best rock-groups in the European Rock- and Metalscene. But anway, doesn't matter.

Yeah, I only want to say that these three bands are maybe the three biggest and hugest and best rock-groups in the European Rock- and Metalscene. But anway, doesn't matter.
Good for them and good for Europe. I was just saying that i've never heard of them and they aren't big where I live. That's all, not that they hadn't made it elsewhere.

I am going to play it safe and assume that they re-worded what Shaun said, because that is total bullshit. Shaun and Amy both claim that Shaun had nothing to do with Ben leaving, so if that's the case, he should back the fuck out.

=]

Guys, let's not start a fight. I've heard of the bands mentioned above, but only because a friend of mine is very fond of them. Lacuna Coil is more well-known than the others, but the fact is that none of them are popular in the States as of yet.

And, since Amy is from the US, I think that her comments are okay.


...cue the microscopes, magnifying glasses, and tweezers...take a look now, because once you come back, the quotes will never be the same..

I am going to play it safe and assume that they re-worded what Shaun said, because that is total bullshit.
With the attitude that guy had towards both Seether and Ev? I wouldn't put it past him...

I haven't heard Ben's instrumental from the Punisher soundtrack, so I can't make an opinion of it yet. However, I think Shaun was just expressing his opinion, and I DON'T think it would be a very good idea to blast him for it, as a lot of people on here like to do.

I think he was referring to the instruments in "The End Has Come" and the way they sounded similar to Bring Me to Life.

Anyway for the interview...no comment.

I think he was referring to the instruments in "The End Has Come" and the way they sounded similar to Bring Me to Life.

Anyway for the interview...no comment.


haha yeah.

But Ben was never in Evanescence, so his music sounding somewhat like something that Ev did is totally copying.

yep.

fuckin' ben.

...Am I the only one who thinks that this is a flame war waiting to happen?...


lyk omfg ya. ben iz lyk soooo a k0pierrrrrrr lyk WHOA :eek:

Sorry...that just made me laugh...

Which is why this interview feels a little.....sketchy.

It's bad enough that they got a bad review just because they happen to be popular.

It's even worse that this magazine seems to have no journalistic integrity either.

...Am I the only one who thinks that this is a flame war waiting to happen?...


lyk omfg ya. ben iz lyk soooo a k0pierrrrrrr lyk WHOA :eek:

Sorry...that just made me laugh...

Hey, wait guys!
I never wanted a flame war to happen, I thought that the Ev fans were going to laugh at the stupidity of the interviewer. Anyway, for the record only not every magazine over hear thinks that way towards Evanescence.

Maybe I should delete the interview before a huge argument begins.

Maybe I should delete the interview before a huge argument begins.

It's better that we leave it open. I'm personally interested to hear everybody's comments on the issue.

If I do begin to see a flame war, I'll just close it :)

Nah, it's cool. I didn't laugh, but I certainly rolled my eyes. The lack of 'journalistic integrity', as Cfw put it, was amusing in its own right.

Leave it to the mods to decide. I'm sure they'll stop anything before it gets nasty.

Now. Let the sarcastic comments and witty remarks commence! Lyk whoa. ;)


EDIT: I should shut up. I'm not a mod and Cfw always beats me to it, anyway ;)

Your wish, my command ;)

Which is why this interview feels a little.....sketchy.

It's bad enough that they got a bad review just because they happen to be popular.

It's even worse that this magazine seems to have no journalistic integrity either.

Yeah. :\ I definitely think the writer had something to do with it. And not to offend the translator, but maybe there was something that got lost in translation as well. It happens.

haha yeah.

But Ben was never in Evanescence, so his music sounding somewhat like something that Ev did is totally copying.

yep.

fuckin' ben.

heehee

Damn Ben Moody, what an asshat, copying his own songs. :rolleyes:

Damn Ben Moody, what an asshat, copying his own songs. :rolleyes:
lyk whoa.

*giggles*

<3s xtina lyk whhooooooaaaaa

Don't be seriously offended by anything in this article. I mean (original) + (author bias) + (lost in translation I) + (lost in translation II) = (nothing like the original.) A lot of subtleties and meanings can be lost just being translated once and this was translated twice. (I'm still laughing at the Sailor Moon part though. :D)

While Shaun's comment on Ben was out of place and worded horribly, I don't see much wrong with this interview. I'm happy with Amy's reply to this guy's sloppy suggesting of bands like Lacuna Coil, The Gathering, etc.. She held her own, and I agree with her. I never heard of any of these bands until they started being compared to Ev. I've listened to most of them and get a very different feel. I don't particularly care for them, nor do I think people should have any right in comparing (then bashing) them to Ev's music and style.

I was taken by surprise on Shaun's comment about Ben. However, I liked the song "The End Has Come". Oh wells! Thanks for posting the article :)

Thats a cool interview, Thanks

the interviewer definatly tried to start controversy and make everyone look bad. i'm with amy, i nvr heard of any of those bands until ev got big and everyone started saying that they sounded like the unknown bands.
in shauns comment...they had to have messed reworded his comments.
i don't know if anyone has ever mentioned it, but uhm, if you sing bring me to life over the end has come, it fits perfectly...right down to jasons's vocals and screams to match to pauls. don't get me wrong, i like the song, but everytime i hear it, when the chorus comes in, i think i'm going to hear 'wake me up!' damn ben moody for sounding too much like himself. ::shakes finger:: ...didn't john fogerty get sued for sounding too much like john fogerty in the eighties?
-matt

I bought The Punisher soundtrack the other day in Toronto. Ben's track wasn't bad. It kind of sounds like a cross between Lies and any other song on Fallen (excluding My Immortal and Hello, obviously) with a male vocalist. I liked it because it sounds a lot like Ev, especially Ben's guitar. To be honest, I think Shaun was a little off the mark with that statement (assuming that that's actually what he said), but I agree that the interviewer was giving them a hard time.

Well, the comment about the European metal bands was probably funny originally, but through translation now it sounds a bit mean, but I'm sure that wasn't Amy's intent. (I *heart* Lacuna Coil, although they don't sound much like Ev and their clothing does look a bit Matrix-y...ha-ha.)

All around, just a weird interview. But nice to read one that's a bit different.

(interviewer's note: her eyes are extraordinary but otherwise her face looks like Sailor Moon, for everyone who knows Greek he described her as feggaro!!!!!!!!)

wtf? what do her looks have to do with her music?

Hm, I really didn't like how Amy responded with the whole Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, etc question. I know that I hadn't heard of them until they were being compared to Evanescence, but she just made it seem like these bands have nothing special about them, and their unique style of dress is wrong or something. She has a unique style herself, so the whole 'matrix' thing threw me off a bit. Plus, she made it seem like these bands all sing about one thing, which is entirely untrue. I just don't understand, those are all great bands and she diminished their talent with her response. And I understand that the comparisons can get tiresome, but really, just because they aren't as famous or whatever doesn't mean they aren't as talented.

And Shaun's comment... well... whatever. It was just immature.

listen to the instrumental piece Ben has written for the soundtrack, it really sucks

:( Wow....that was kind of a sucky thing to say. Hmm..i too will assume that that isnt Exactly how he said it..and if it is...oh well.(i didnt like what Amy "said" to much either, but oh well. Im not them.) He has a right to his opinion, as does she. But yeah, i didnt like how they portrayed either Amy nor Shaun. I know they dont have to be cheery all the time, and love everything...but i also know that they are not the types to just talk shit. But hey, whatever. They can think what they want. :rolleyes: :cool:

P.S. :p Hee heee...i am still kinda giggly about the stupidity of it all. Silly peoples... On a side note, i like Ben's song! But thats just me and my crazy ways of thinking. :D Wow...if ONLY Ben hadnt written in Ev, he wouldnt sound like Ev. He should have thought of this a Long Time Ago!!! Before they were big damnit. :::sigh::: He should have known! ;)

Lol, I agree with b00bles on the Ben *trying* to sound like Evanescence, I mean wtf, he was one of the major parts of Evanescence before they broke up, he's not exactly gonna change his style just because he's not a part of Evanescence anymore. :rolleyes: So if that's what Shaun said, fine it's his opinion, but in my opinion, that was a stupid comment. (Didn't the whole Ben thing happen ages ago anyway? o_O Why do these damn interviewers keep making it crop back up again... :mad:)

Otherwise, the interviewer is a little snotty bastard. Still, Amy's comments about the other bands seemed a little unfair, but she was just defending Evanescence's sound and style :)

Thanks for posting that, I enjoyed hearing about their work on the new album ;) It sounds like it's gonna be SO cool. :D

I think that Shaun was outta line with Ben's song, I really do, but maybe he's also one of those dudes who hates all of his girlfriend's ex-boyfriend/fiancees. he seems very "grr, she's mine now, fuck you dickwipe." I get that they REALLY do not like eachother, Ben(according to Shaun) is a dick who bangs skanky hoes on the road. I'd have to kill Ben if he said the same about Shaun, but I'm doubting he's a fan of the guy.
Rory

I wouldn't say Bens song sucked .But yeah he has done better ;) ALso yeah it was really EV sounding but thats to be expected he had alot to do with the sound of EV....As for what Shaun said its his opinion one artist to another no biggy. WE have all our opinions so he can have his :p I didn't care for the Author as well he was a bad interviewer. As for what Amy said about the other bands NO i don't think any of them sound like EV ( I always wondered why the connection??) L-Coil the ony sims are they have a woman singer in their band thats it....I never knew about any of these bands until EV came out and all the comparisons started :rolleyes: My imput!!!!

You gotta love the hypocrisy of some of the people on this board.

http://www.evboard.com/showpost.php?p=294540&postcount=112
There ARE people that don't like Ben for one reason or another, deal. with. it.

Well, thanks for the interview. I've got to agree that the author (reporter) was really negative from the beginning. Towards Amy as well as towards Shaun.
This Ben Moody thing is an old hat and people should stop to bring that topic up again and again. It's beginning to get boring. And the world heard Amy's comment on that again and again. We don't need to hear it once more.
Well, Shauns comment on Ben's new track on the Punisher Soundtrack was a little, well let's say, immature. Even if I have to agree that it sounds a lot like Evanescence.
As for Amy's comment on those bands... It may be that they weren't known really well in the US but here in Europe those bands are well known. As for the fact that she doesn't know if their music comes truly from the heart it really shocked me. She hasn't got the right to say that if she doesn't know the music and the people. I love Nightwish a lot, and I've seen the DVD End of Innocence and all I can say is: this music comes deeply from the heart. And they don't dress like Matrix.
But, well, anyway, thanks for the interview, it's interesting to know articles from other parts of the world.
But I've said enough anyway....

What I think Amy was referring to as Matrix-y style were the long black plasticy coats. Hence Matrix. The only comparisons I get from the whole Ev vs Nightwish, The Gathering, and Lacuna Coil, is that they're all fronted by talented women and are in the harder rock music scene. I don't think any of the bands sound the same. I don't get why they have to compare every female fronted band to another female fronted band than guy fronted bands. lol...

Shawn's comment was a bit out there. But like someone said earlier, things get lost in the original stuff. But oh well what can you do?

You gotta love the hipocracy of some of the people on this board.

http://www.evboard.com/showpost.php?p=294540&postcount=112
There ARE people that don't like Ben for one reason or another, deal. with. it.


Not a wise comment.

faq20

Ok, I read this in the magazine and I decided to translate is so all of you could read it. Hmm, I would say it is a rather interesting interview and an equally interesting concert review.
But beware, the author is a bit, how should I say it, biased, impaired, not objective. Well, read for yourselves.



So what do you have to say. I found Shaun's comment of Ben's song a bit out of place.


it's so nice of you to translate and share this with us! Thanks!!!

I totally agree. None of those bands sounds like the other one. People should stop to compare them. They are all unique in their own kind of way and none like Evanescence.

You gotta love the hipocracy of some of the people on this board.

http://www.evboard.com/showpost.php?p=294540&postcount=112
There ARE people that don't like Ben for one reason or another, deal. with. it.

smooth move exlax.



it really hasn othign to do whether someone likes Ben or not. It has to do with the fact that it's none of Shaun's god damn business. He and Amy have both said that Shaun had nothing to do with it, whether it's true or not, who knows, who cares?

smooth move exlax.



it really hasn othign to do whether someone likes Ben or not. It has to do with the fact that it's none of Shaun's god damn business. He and Amy have both said that Shaun had nothing to do with it, whether it's true or not, who knows, who cares?
Shaun is closer to the band than you and most other people on here, so it's as much his business as it is that of anyone else on here. If he thinks Ben's song sucks, whatever, it's his opinion, and whether you agree with it or not he has just as much of a right to say it as you do to state your opinion on this board.

Oh, and I really could give a fuck as to whether that comment was "wise." It's true, whether the mods want to admit it or not. If the hatred in that thread had been directed toward Ben, the person would have been banned in a matter of seconds.

Shaun is closer to the band than you and most other people on here, so it's as much his business as it is anyone else on here. If he thinks Ben's song sucks, whatever, it's his opinion, and he has just as much of a right to say it as you do to say what you think on this board.

Oh, and I really could give a fuck as to whether that comment was "wise." It's true, whether the mods like it or not.


Nice attitude. If that is true then I guess the same could be said for Terry's former band Cold. Amy is close to Terry so I guess anything that went on in Cold was her business too and she had every right to comment like she did. Yeah um, makes sense to me.

EDIT: I'm not trying to dredge up an old issue, I just thought it was a good comparison.

Nice attitude.

Well, I've tried being nice about this stuff in the past, and it hasn't gotten me anywhere, so I don't see the need to continue doing so.

If that is true then I guess the same could be said for Terry's former band Cold. Amy is close to Terry so I guess anything that went on in Cold was her business too and she had every right to comment like she did. Yeah um, makes sense to me.

EDIT: I'm not trying to dredge up an old issue, I just thought it was a good comparison.
There is a difference between Amy's comments about Cold and Shaun's comments about Ben's song. Shaun just said the song sucked. He didn't say anything personal about Ben that wasn't anyone elses business.

yeah because dating someone automatically gives a person a right to talk shit about their significant others [ex]friend.

yep.


GU, what do you have against Ben?

Personally, I don't really think Shaun said that, I have a feeling it was reworded.

BUT it still doesn't give ANYONE the right to say it.

Maybe if it came from someone IN THE BAND [Please note JUST BECAUSE SHAUN AND AMY DATE THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A PART OF THE BAND] it would make more sense, although I think that would be lame if someone in the band did say it.

Who cares if his instrumental sucks? The movie sucked. Now if his piece was written for a memorable film and took a lot longer than an hour to write - yet still sucked, we might have a problem.

I don't worry.

Who cares if his instrumental sucks? The movie sucked. Now if his piece was written for a memorable film and took a lot longer than an hour to write - yet still sucked, we might have a problem.

I don't worry.

i never saw the movie.

but were eyes wired shut - edgewater and piece by piece - strata actually played in the movie?

yeah because dating someone automatically gives a person a right to talk shit about their significant others [ex]friend.

yep.
Since he knows Amy personally, he probably knows more about the Ben situation than most people on here. Considering that you've talked shit about Amy in the past when you haven't agreed with what she says or does, I would think you'd understand and would at least give Shaun the right to state his opinion even if you don't agree with it.

GU, what do you have against Ben?
Nothing. I don't know him or anyone else in the band, so I wouldn't have any way of holding anything against him.

Personally, I don't really think Shaun said that, I have a feeling it was reworded.

BUT it still doesn't give ANYONE the right to say it.

Maybe if it came from someone IN THE BAND [Please note JUST BECAUSE SHAUN AND AMY DATE THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A PART OF THE BAND] it would make more sense, although I think that would be lame if someone in the band did say it.

I don't know if it's what he said either, and I really could not care less.

I can't remember. I was fighting to stay awake the whole film.

There is a difference between Amy's comments about Cold and Shaun's comments about Ben's song. Shaun just said the song sucked. He didn't say anything personal about Ben that wasn't anyone elses business.


Yeah you're right, I guess being fucked up and being in rehab isn't personal.

Yeah you're right, I guess being fucked up and being in rehab isn't personal.
I never said it wasn't. I just said that saying that Ben's song sucked isn't the same as telling everyone that someone is fucked up and in rehab. I don't even think what Amy said was such a big deal. She was asked a question and answered it. I can understand why Cold's fans might be a little upset, but not nearly to the degree that they were.

I never said it wasn't. I just said that saying that Ben's song sucked isn't the same as telling everyone that someone is fucked up and in rehab.


What it all boils down to is someone saying something out of turn about someone else's band/music. It happened in both situations, it's shouldn't happen, it's shitty, whatever. End of debate with GU.

What it all boils down to is someone saying something out of turn about someone else's band/music. It happened in both situations, it's shouldn't happen, it's shitty, whatever. End of debate with GU.
There's nothing wrong with saying that you don't like someone elses music. If you didn't like a song and you said so on this board, I don't think you'd like it too much if everyone slammed you for it. Disagreeing with Shaun is fine, but you can't deny him the right to express his opinion.

There's nothing wrong with saying that you don't like someone elses music. If you didn't like a song and you said so on this board, I don't think you'd like it too much if everyone slammed you for it. Disagreeing with Shaun is fine, but you can't deny him the right to express his opinion.


I think it's the way Shaun "expresses his opinion", I think that comment (if it's true, like b00bles said) is just asking for trouble. When you are a "celebrity" it's not always smart to voice your opinions so bluntly about a fellow "celebrity". In my opinion a comment is made like that with only one purpose, and that is to instigate.

I think it's the way Shaun "expresses his opinion", I think that comment (if it's true, like b00bles said) is just asking for trouble. When you are a "celebrity" it's not always smart to voice your opinions so bluntly about a fellow "celebrity". In my opinion a comment is made like that with only one purpose, and that is to instigate.
I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think celebrities should be forbidden from saying bad things about others. I know if I don't like someone (usually for a good reason) I'll say so, and I wouldn't want that right taken away from me, not that I'll ever be a celebrity or anything.

I hate this interview. I hate this thread. I see this turning into a flame war (Oh wait... it already has turned into a flame war).


Basically, it all boils down to this: Amy has said crap about Ben. Ben has said crap about Amy and Shaun. Shaun has said crap about Ben. This isn't anything new. They've all said so much crap about each other that I EXPECT to hear them say crap about each other in every interview they do. I'm not going to even bother talking about it anymore. This whole thing pisses me off.

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think celebrities should be forbidden from saying bad things about others. I know if I don't like someone (usually for a good reason) I'll say so, and I wouldn't want that right taken away from me, not that I'll ever be a celebrity or anything.


You pay to play man. If you want to be a star in the spot light there are things that you can no longer do as a "normal" person. So if you wanna go flapping your lips like you would as a "normal" person, expect to get bashed. It's all politics in that business anyway and believe me when I say they are very compensated for this so called "right" that was taken away.

E-Unit, I'm not flaming anyone. I'm just trying to reason with some one who isn't being reasonable.

You pay to play man. If you want to be a star in the spot light there are things that you can no longer do as a "normal" person. So if you wanna go flapping your lips like you would as a "normal" person, expect to get bashed. It's all politics in that business anyway and believe me when I say they are very compensated for this so called "right" that was taken away.

E-Unit, I'm not flaming anyone. I'm just trying to reason with some one who isn't being reasonable.
I'm not being unreasonable, I'm just trying to make a point about the general behavior on this board. Ben's talked shit about other bands before (The Used) but he was never bashed for it. If the mods are going to let people who pride themselves on hating Amy Lee post here, they should be able to deal with people not liking Ben. It's a blatent double standard.

Anyway, I'm out of this since we're going in circles.

awesome interview loved it

I'm not being unreasonable, I'm just trying to make a point about the general behavior on this board. Ben's talked shit about other bands before (The Used) but he was never bashed for it.




All I have to say is www.mtv.com chizeck that shiznit out [search evanescence/bertmcracken/the used] THEN tell us who was bashing who (;

If the mods are going to let people who pride themselves on hating Amy Lee post here, they should be able to deal with people not liking Ben. It's a blatent double standard.
.

First of all, no one is "hating on amy lee" in this thread.
Second, there is a difference between Amy and Shaun [I kid, I don't hate either of them]

I think this thread is sort of funny...

GO BOOBLES!!! i think that no one should say bad stuff about any1 before they know the facts from first source .

All I have to say is www.mtv.com chizeck that shiznit out [search evanescence/bertmcracken/the used] THEN tell us who was bashing who (;

That whole Used deal was completely unprovoked.

Bert McCracken took it upon himself to talk shit about Ev when Ben couldn't play the K-Rock Weenie Roast last summer due to an ailment. The Used took Ev's spot. It's not like Ben planned to have an illness. And if anything, McCracken has a reputation of doing that. So it's quite obvious that it was unprovoked.

GO BOOBLES!!! i think that no one should say bad stuff about any1 before they know the facts from first source .

Well we're never going to know the facts from the real source [of this magazine anyway] because it's fairly obvious that he/she is full of shit =]

EDIT:

McCracken has a reputation of doing that. So it's quite obvious that it was unprovoked.

His last name speaks for itself.

Mccracken

There's nothing wrong with saying that you don't like someone elses music. I agree with you completely.

BTW, I love Ben. :)

I understand that McCracken is a self-diluted fuckrag and I think Ben had every right to bash him. I was just using that as an example in response to a statement that celebrities should never talk shit about one another. I think if they have good reasons for it (as Ben did with McCracken) it's fine.

First of all, no one is "hating on amy lee" in this thread.
I was referring to the thread I linked to on page 4 of this thread in which the mods decided to let a member of an Amy Lee hatelist post here. If they're going to do that, they should be able to deal with people not liking Ben.

I understand that McCracken is a self-diluted fuckrag.

Just as long as we're on the same page :p