http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1432810&q=Hi

(click on Music, and the mp3 is there)

First off, O'Reilly is a racist. He got Pepsi to drop Ludacris out of their promotions, simply because he thought Luda was a bad role model for children.

In the commercials, all he did was roll up to this shack, go in, and start rappin to a crowd. What the fuck is wrong with that? It's called having fun, but in Mr. O'Reilly's view, anyone having fun with explicit lyrics is a bad person. Wait, why hasn't he talked about Eminem yet? How come it's only been blacks so far?

He's also talked shit about 50 Cent (you know, 50 and Reebok with that crappy G-Unit line)..

"Reebok should be ashamed of themselves,'' O'Reilly told the Herald before his show last night in which he slammed the Canton shoemaker and its rapper pitchman. "They're embracing a guy who's hurting children.''

O'Reilly said Reebok should "absolutely'' cut ties to 50 Cent.

Adults, alone, is not the problem, O'Reilly said. Instead, it's "the overall business relationship'' with a rapper who puts out thuggish and sexually explicit lyrics.

"It's a horrible influence on children,'' he said. "It's desensitizing them. Ten-year-old little boys are calling 10-year-old little girls `bitches' and hoes."
It should be noted that 50 cents of the shoe sales is donated to charity (that's garbage, considering the shoes sell up to $80.50 a pair)...I disagree with O'Reilly on Reebok cutting ties with 50 Cent. But I do agree with him that the music can be a bad influence on children. But a lot of mainstream rap is like that, not just G-Unit. And there's so much shit these days that portray sex and violence to children. A lot of kids watch R-rated movies and such, same shit is on TV. You can't just be attacking rap alone, especially blacks. It's ridiculous. O'Reilly seems to favor blacks who are not "thugs" since he's had Bill Cosby on his show along with other blacks.

Here's a quote from someone off another message board:

:rolleyes: Has anyone ever noticed that Bill O Reily always has a person problem with successful rap artist. And if anyone ever sits and watches his show he always mentions something negative about hip hop. Last week he just for some reason brings up gangsta rap while talking to someone about economy. To me he is a racist. It isn't just hip hop artist. After September 11th he interviewed the nation of Islam blaming black muslims for the World Trade Center attacks. Now he does have blacks on his show, but take a look at who comes on his show and how he responds to them. Also last week he had one of Fox News Live reporters on his show. The lady produced her own classical CD and he said he liked it because its not Ludacris. Now if this lady probably caught on to that, but if she didn't then we know what type of people she hangs around with on a regular. I say if anyone has a problem with Mr. O' Reily then we should take action.

This has been a public service message courtesy of F*ck You Entertainment.
As for the link at the beginning of this post, and the reason for the topic headline (so I get into it this far down :rolleyes: )...rapper Jadakiss was chosen by Microsoft to promote this "Fame For Game" thing about the Xbox. O'Reilly seems Jadakiss is the wrong person to be chosen for this promotion. I'll type out parts of that audio link:

He starts out by talking about Jada's controversial line in the song 'Why' featuring Anthony Hamilton - "Why did Bush have to knock down the twin towers"...then he says, "...and has accused Halle Berry, the actress, of having sex with a white man to get an Oscar. That's nice, isn't it?"

Accused? In Monster's Ball (the movie), she had sex with Billy Bob Thorton in a scene. After that movie, she won an Oscar for her performance in the movie. Now, Jada has a lot of dumb questions in his song, that's for sure. Personally I'm not sure about Halle's acting career befo Monster's Ball but ain't that what brought attention to her? So yes, it might be a dumb question by Jada, but he didn't accuse Halle of having sex with a white man to get an Oscar. It was a part of the movie!

Then he talks with Victoria Murphy, a journalist who covers the San Fran Valley for Forbe's magazine.

O'Reilly claims Microsoft is "rewarding terrible behavior, which is now a trend in corporate America." Murphy goes on to say it's a trend that's picking up and that Jada is probably a "one hit wonder anyways" when in fact, he's been in the game for a long time now, and is not a "one hit wonder" (although he appears as a guest on songs more than having his own, plus he's affiliated with D-Block and Ruff Ryderz and The Lox, so that just goes to show he's no one hit wonder, well, especially with his past singles like, "We Gonna Make It")..people should do their facts befo talking about someone they don't have a clue about.

O'Reilly goes on to say that on July 5th, Jada was arrested in Fayetteville, NC, for throwing firecrackers out of their SUV (or was it a hummer or...I forgot)...him and his crew...then the officer found an ounce of marijuana and then searched the vehicle and found two guns under a pillow)...like Jada says himself (the irony!), "Controversy sells!"

At this point, Murphy says, "That's what rappers do - they get arrested." :mad: to which O'Reilly responds, "I guess that's what they do."

He goes on to say that Microsoft hires a guy who attacks the president (like many famous people don't! What about a MICHAEL MOORE!) and says that Jada "deplores Halle Berry." He says that he thinks the black community would be outraged, when in fact, his two lines (as in the beginning of this post) are not really that big of a deal. The Bush one, perhaps, but it's not like everyone else ain't sayin similar shit too.

"And you think you're gonna be outraged he's [Jadakiss] peddling in this kind of defamation? I don't think so." Stupid sarcasm.

"...don't you think corporate America would hire people who aren't harming the country?"

I fail to see how Jada is harming the country. The song Why has some good lines in it that's true, and it promotes the message of equality in this world, as well as other various subjects. Maybe it's cause Jada's got a song with Styles P called, "Shoot Em Up" and uses profanity and nigga in songs a lot? Or wait, is that not common in rap? I seriously doubt a song about, "Shoot Em Up" is going to make a kid want to go shoot some people. :rolleyes:

At this point, O'Reilly says: "And this guy [Jadakiss], is a, you know, just by the fact what his new record says, I mean we're not talking about now, this is up from Ludacris - Ludacris is a thug. Alright? He's just a hothead, and by that I mean he's just somebody who glorifies in the street life, whether it's drugs or whatever. This guy's basically accusing the president of bringing down the twin towers. Where does it end? Does it end anywhere?

Ludacris is clearly not a thug (how many real thugs release an album titled "Chicken N Beer?")...he's not one who "glorifies in the street life" by O'Reilly's definition. That would be gangsta rappers. Luda is not a gangsta rapper. His songs are more laid back and "fun." This shit never ends because of the economy being where it is and with the war between us and Iraq and all that shit. And it's not just rappers who should be supposedly "blamed" for talking about the current situation in America/Iraq, it's many people. But O'Reilly don't give a damn.

So what is everyone's thoughts on O'Reilly? Do you support him for his comments partly or completely, and why? Or why not?

I obviously, do not support him at all - in fact, hearing his words enraged me, and plus being bored at 5 am, is partly why I decided to create this topic.

I mean, how can you accuse famous black rappers of glorifying certain things when they are not? You can't just accuse every famous black rapper of being a thug, just cause of the way they dress, talk, and rap. Take Talib Kweli, he's one of the most well known rappers who talks on issues, same for Dead Prez. They use the word nigga, they use profanity, but still, they talk on real issues, and are they thugs? No..(regardless of the fact that DP's latest album is titled "RBG" (Revolutionary But Gangsta/Red Green Blue)..O'Reilly needs to stop stereotyping blacks who are a part of the hip hop culture. If he really did his research, he would know that hip hop is not really meant to promote violence - it was in fact created as a way to avoid violence in the streets. It is used to get messages out to the black community, especially after a few certain innocent black victims were killed as a result of riots/police brutality mainly in the early '90s. But of course, it's changed these days, hip hop primarily in the mainstream, but regardless- the real hip hop is still out there. O'Reilly just judging mainstream rap, he has no knowledge of actual street life or how poverty is and how street life plays a big role in it (in some cases it's unfortunately not avoidable)..but of course, for O'Reilly, if he even stepped foot in a hood, he would probably get his ass beaten for the things he's said about blacks :rolleyes:

I don't know, I know nothing about this, and I don't even know who O'Reilly is, so I probably shouldn't even be posting here.

But it seems to me, looking at the info provided, that he disagrees with rappers who portray the "gangsta" life, and are used in ads which children see. Okay, that's his opinion. That doesn't make him racist...

He probably hasn't attacked Eminem because...well, how many ads like this is Eminem in?

Of course, I don't know. Maybe he is racist. But this:

O'Reilly seems to favor blacks who are not "thugs" since he's had Bill Cosby on his show along with other blacks.
kinda tells me different?

Personally I'm not sure about Halle's acting career befo Monster's Ball but ain't that what brought attention to her?

No, it was when she showed her boobs in Swordfish, actually.

Bill O'Reilly has his own show, The O'Reilly Factor, on the Fox News Channel. He discusses with guests on such current events as Michael Moore and the CBC, the Peterson Trial, etc., big news stories.

He does indeed disagree with rappers who portray the gangsta life, but he's actually accusing rappers who do not even portray the gangsta life as thugs (in Ludacris' case). He's using racist comments/stereotypes as a way to attempt to get famous rappers who are promoting (in these cases), the Xbox, Pepsi, and Reebok, to get dropped by those companies. And Luda was already dropped by Pepsi due to continous pressures by O'Reilly. He may not necessarily be a racist entirely, but he is still one in many ways, particularly by stereotypes.

With 50's Reebok commercial - it shows kids (I think one is 50's son, I forgot, and Lil Max and a few others) climbing up some crates to watch 50 work out...all he does is jump rope, lift weights, bench, train with a punching bag...I think that's it. That's not really harmless at all, regardless of the musical aspect of 50/G-Unit's career. It's just showing 50 wearing the G-Unit line, like it's supposed to be cool.

Eminem may not be in many ads (or none at all, I'm not sure), but he's affiliated with G-Unit as well, and that could be a reason for O'Reilly to attack Eminem as well. 50 Cent is signed to Em's label and Em rolls with both G-Unit and D12, as well as Dr. Dre who O'Reilly, if he had the chance to discuss Dr. Dre (since he was with NWA, Snoop, Death Row, all them), would probably accuse him of "glorifying the street life" as well :rolleyes:

Eminem has had so much controversy between him and children, his wife and daughter, ICP, many rappers, his behavior in general at concerts and such (like he mooned the crowd at the MTV Awards last month (or the month befo) and it was never aired) etc., hell, he's like the most controversial rapper right now, he would be a perfect target for O'Reilly, yet O'Reilly has not said a word about Eminem.

Well, if his black guests were "street" he would have never had them on in the first place. As I said befo, he may not be entirely racist but he still is in many ways, especially with stereotypes and false accusations.

No, it was when she showed her boobs in Swordfish, actually.
And oh, I forgot about that movie too...if she did have a minor role in it as opposed to Monster's Ball, then Jada's line is still stupid in a sense.

And oh, I forgot about that movie too...if she did have a minor role in it as opposed to Monster's Ball, then Jada's line is still stupid in a sense.

She had a major role in it. But the movie sucked, whereas Monster's Ball could at least pretend to be sort of dramatic and arty.

mk your wrong. Dr O'reilly slammed pepsi because of Ludas disrespect of femals and hisactual rap. If talking about smokin weed gettin high bust bitches in they mouth tell'en to move "Move Bitch" and "Ima bout to punch your lights out" isnt gangsta life then what is. Before you attack people who have legit arguemnts like bill did, think about it. Pepsi didnt drop luda cause Bill had soooo much power. Luda was dropped cause hes talentless and talks about beating up gurls.

As far as 50 cent goes saying his name is just enough. Hes a moron and a 2 year old.

So am i racist for slamming these 2 "artists"?

The song "Move Bitch" don't exactly show the best message, but in another way it's just sayin like..."Get out the way, we runnin the rap game now"..I'm not saying this song's message is good but a lot of people get song meanings twisted, especially those who don't listen to rap. It could be taken as both ways, but I can see that more will see the negative aspects of the song to be demeaning against women. It might have been a way to bring I-20 into the mainstream scene as well, who knows...(due to the song's lyrics and his name)..some controversial songs will have different meanings.

Smokin weed and gettin in fights don't make you gangsta. People are always getting in fights - that's called hood drama. It don't make them gangsta. Lots of people do that shit, even in high school, and you can't call them gangsta. I know this white country dude, he does that shit, is he gangsta? If you really gangsta, you're affiliated with gangs, but in the rap game it's primarily the Bloods and Crips. Ludacris is not gangsta but more of street. Shit, I'm street in many ways, does that mean I'm a gangsta? And just cause I'm street don't mean I know everything about the streets.

I'm aware Pepsi didn't drop Luda cause of Bill entirely, it was due to Bill's comments that raised awareness in "concerned people" who wrote to Pepsi demanding they drop Luda out of they commercials. Luda is by no means talentless and his songs are not always about "beating up girls."

As for 50, I personally dislike him just like many others, but he's not exactly a moron. He claims to be gangsta but we all know he's not (even if he was with the Bloods back in the day)..these days, he just uses his past to sell albums and his image. You can't say 50 is stupid - sure, he's not exactly the nicest person at all, but he know's what he's doing and he's dedicated to his job.

Just cause you "slammed" them 2 artists don't make you a racist, but look at O'Reilly's accusations on them three rappers. How you gon label someone as a thug when they ain't a thug. How you gon say Jada is harming the country and accusing Halle Berry of having sex in Monster's Ball to get an Oscar. A lot of O'Reilly's comments are clearly unfair and biased, when he has no clue what he's talking about entirely - he's dissing hip hop as a whole due to the negativity in it. But hey, what about Clinton. His outside image was not a good one, but in reality, he was a good president. In hip hop, the outside image in the mainstream is mostly negative, whereas in the underground it's not so negative. People have to do their research befo they start accusing hip hop and rappers gettin arrested ("that's what they do - they get themselves arrested")..O'Reilly sees hip hop and famous black rappers as a negative part of this world. Of course Jada getting himself pulled over for throwing them firecrackers after they was even told to stop and didn't was stupid - but that don't mean the man is entirely stupid and a horrible person. Controversy sells, that could be a reason.

The thing is O'Reilly is dissin people with false accusations (especially in Jada's case) to try to get his message across. That all rappers, all they do is get themselves arrested. That they negative. That they bad role models. Not all are. O'Reilly is really lashing out upon the hip hop community without a clue to what he's talking about, he's discriminating against rappers.

I can see that O'Reilly has a legit argument in mainly Luda's case, but in the other two, especially Jada's, not as much. If he understood hip hop culture, then he would understand what he's talking about a bit more.

I am a big fan of o'reilly. I like they way he puts things out there. Sometimes o'reilly is hard to understand where he is coming from. I read his book Who's looking out for you? I enjoyed it very much. I am going to have to think some more. Its to early i can't seem to put into words what i want to say.. i'll try again later lol

Bill Cosby basically says the same kinds of things as O'Reilly... does that make Cosby a racist too?

I know, obviously, that you have a love of rap music and that is perfectly fine; but let's be totally honest here - the hip hop culture has devolved to a point where the more "street" (read: gansta) you can be the more cred you have and honestly speaking, most of that "street" behavior isn't exactly the best route to go for children if they were to be influenced enough by their "role models" to mimick the lifestyle portrayed in the music.

First off, O'Reilly is a racist. He got Pepsi to drop Ludacris out of their promotions, simply because he thought Luda was a bad role model for children.

In the commercials, all he did was roll up to this shack, go in, and start rappin to a crowd. What the fuck is wrong with that? It's called having fun, but in Mr. O'Reilly's view, anyone having fun with explicit lyrics is a bad person. Wait, why hasn't he talked about Eminem yet? How come it's only been blacks so far?

Actually, he has gone against Eminem several times, as well as Insane Clown Posse, and he has not only gone against rappers. He has also gone against rock bands who he feels convey inappropiate material to minors. Hell, some of the stuff he said caused Scott Stapp from Creed to call him and come on the show to debate him on it.

I like a lot of what O'Reilly has to say about certain issues, like just politics in general. I see where he's coming from on the rapper thing, and I don't really have an opinion one way or another. Are Luda's lyrics the best thing for a 10 year old to hear? No, but those lyrics weren't in the promotion ads that he and others like him were doing. I didn't think the rappers being used for promotions was as big of a deal as he made it out to be. He believes however that these guys are giving a bad message to america, and in some sense yeah, they could be giving a lot cleaner and more wholesome message.

Bill along with millions of other americans were born and grew up in a time when it was unheard of to see or hear things like this. We as young people have been around this kind of stuff our entire lives so it just doesn't seem like a big deal. But for someone born in the 40's or 50's... they've only had to deal with this kind of drastic change in music and entertainment in the past 10 or 15 years or so. Sure there was some iffy stuff here and there back in the day, but the complete saturation of society with profanity and other gratuitous things didn't some about until recently. The years go by faster as you get older right? Well Bill has seen a lot of stuff change in what seems like a short amount of time. Bill Cosby being as old as he is has percieved a much stronger and swifter change.

I get that O'Reilly believes in the wholesome family unit and he's just trying to do his best as someone with a wide reaching voice to try and better society as he sees it. Some may see what he's doing as a detriment to society because it's limiting diversity or whatever. I bet there's also a huge amount of people that see it as a help like he does, though.

I feel a personal attachment to both sides of this, because I was raised to value a somewhat conservative moral approach to life, which is what O'Reilly is pushing for here I think, and I also feel an attachment to my generation and the way things are nowdays with the ever growing diversity in life. I don't really think Bill's a racist, because from watching him myself I see that he lays into people of all sorts for what he perceives as irresponsible behavior. I've seen him go at Jenna Jamieson, Gene Simmons, ICP... there's more. He had a really great interview with Marilyn Manson once too where they actually came to a pretty sizable agreement on some things. I thought it was impressive.

Bill Cosby basically says the same kinds of things as O'Reilly... does that make Cosby a racist too?

I know, obviously, that you have a love of rap music and that is perfectly fine; but let's be totally honest here - the hip hop culture has devolved to a point where the more "street" (read: gansta) you can be the more cred you have and honestly speaking, most of that "street" behavior isn't exactly the best route to go for children if they were to be influenced enough by their "role models" to mimick the lifestyle portrayed in the music.
That's true - the more street cred you got, the more respect you get in the streets. But outside of the streets, street cred is looked down upon, obviously. I can understand that people will misinterpret (and in many cases, the lyrics are the way they appear to be) the lyrics, especially young children. In this situation, it's up to the parents somewhat to monitor what their children is listening to and stuff, but that's obviously not always possible, and in ghetto areas, many parents don't really give a damn, so their kids listen to the shit anyways without a clue that the negativity is bad. I'll admit that I'm stumped at what to say at this point :rolleyes: you make a good point. As for Cosby being racist since O'Relly appears to be, no, but maybe it's cause he's white and sayin the shit that makes him appear to be. I'll talk more on this later down the post.


Actually, he has gone against Eminem several times, as well as Insane Clown Posse, and he has not only gone against rappers. He has also gone against rock bands who he feels convey inappropiate material to minors. Hell, some of the stuff he said caused Scott Stapp from Creed to call him and come on the show to debate him on it.
I did a little research earlier and didn't find any info on O'Reilly going against Eminem...but if he's gone against Em, ICP, and rock bands like I'm guessing he would talk about Korn (not saying I don't believe you, maybe I should've searched harder for info earlier haha), he doesn't make those attacks more known. And another thing is, when he goes up against rappers, he doesn't know what he's saying partly. I can see him pointing out the negativity, that's a good thing - but he overdoes it. He exaggerates and calls Jada and Luda someone who is harming our country and a thug. As I already said befo, he agreed that rappers - all they do is get themselves arrested. That's a ridiculous statement. Does O'Reilly actually go into detail when he attacks rock bands, and does he not exaggerate his feelings for them with false accusations?

I like a lot of what O'Reilly has to say about certain issues, like just politics in general. I see where he's coming from on the rapper thing, and I don't really have an opinion one way or another. Are Luda's lyrics the best thing for a 10 year old to hear? No, but those lyrics weren't in the promotion ads that he and others like him were doing. I didn't think the rappers being used for promotions was as big of a deal as he made it out to be. He believes however that these guys are giving a bad message to america, and in some sense yeah, they could be giving a lot cleaner and more wholesome message.

Bill along with millions of other americans were born and grew up in a time when it was unheard of to see or hear things like this. We as young people have been around this kind of stuff our entire lives so it just doesn't seem like a big deal. But for someone born in the 40's or 50's... they've only had to deal with this kind of drastic change in music and entertainment in the past 10 or 15 years or so. Sure there was some iffy stuff here and there back in the day, but the complete saturation of society with profanity and other gratuitous things didn't some about until recently. The years go by faster as you get older right? Well Bill has seen a lot of stuff change in what seems like a short amount of time. Bill Cosby being as old as he is has percieved a much stronger and swifter change.

I get that O'Reilly believes in the wholesome family unit and he's just trying to do his best as someone with a wide reaching voice to try and better society as he sees it. Some may see what he's doing as a detriment to society because it's limiting diversity or whatever. I bet there's also a huge amount of people that see it as a help like he does, though.

I feel a personal attachment to both sides of this, because I was raised to value a somewhat conservative moral approach to life, which is what O'Reilly is pushing for here I think, and I also feel an attachment to my generation and the way things are nowdays with the ever growing diversity in life. I don't really think Bill's a racist, because from watching him myself I see that he lays into people of all sorts for what he perceives as irresponsible behavior. I've seen him go at Jenna Jamieson, Gene Simmons, ICP... there's more. He had a really great interview with Marilyn Manson once too where they actually came to a pretty sizable agreement on some things. I thought it was impressive.
What a hypocrite I am...I should've done more research haha. Like I said earlier, I wasn't aware he had made attacks on other artists aside from rappers, cause after reading some posts on other forums and a few articles, it seemed to be mainly rappers - maybe that's cause the whole rap situation in the mainstream is a point of negativity somewhat and that just draws more attention. Anyways, you make a good point...chances are in the promotional ads, if they play the chorus and a few edited lines that say nothing bad, or just music, there's nothing wrong with that. People don't really look into this kind of stuff that much. Then again...:rolleyes:

You're right about the change...growing up in the '40s and '50s will have the person viewing the changes in this world unlike us. But if you grew up on the streets in that time, your view would agree with the younger population these days somewhat. Not entirely, but somewhat more than if you didn't grow up on the streets. Cause many people will be good people but have friends who are in gangs and such. It's just the way of life that plays into this.

I realize he's trying to do good for the country but he lays down some false info that's a stereotype on rappers. After reading everyone's posts, I can see that he's not as much as the racist as I was thinking he was earlier today and befo, but nonetheless, I still see him with discriminatory views. I really didn't appreciate him saying that all rappers do is get arrested, that hip hop as a whole is negative, etc. I wonder if he's even aware of who the music actually affects (some music will affect whites more than blacks, ie Nelly)..anyways, I just woke up like barely over a half hour ago so I'm still waking up and stuff...hopefully I made sense.

I also disagree with some of what Cosby said (since it's similar to O'Reilly's comments somewhat, except without the false accusations directed at certain individuals mostly), but there's this thing where if a white guy says it, he'll be looked down upon, whereas if a black guy says it, it either makes you dislike him or support him :rolleyes: I'm still going to go do a bit more research on O'Reilly's attacks on artists of other genres to learn a bit more about the things he says. Yes, this kind of stuff interests me, anything to do with civil rights does :rolleyes:

Bill O'Reilly's not a racist. He's just concerned with the moral decline of America. The profanity in these songs is terrible, and the lyrics are enough to piss off any ardent feminist. Chicken and beer my ass - no, wait, my leg.

Oh, and those of you who have never heard of him - if you live in Canada, there's a good reason. Apparently the Canadian government is still not allowing Fox News Channel into its country, although they do apparently allow al-Jazeera. That is all.

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I also disagree with some of what Cosby said (since it's similar to O'Reilly's comments somewhat, except without the false accusations directed at certain individuals mostly), but there's this thing where if a white guy says it, he'll be looked down upon, whereas if a black guy says it, it either makes you dislike him or support him :rolleyes: I'm still going to go do a bit more research on O'Reilly's attacks on artists of other genres to learn a bit more about the things he says. Yes, this kind of stuff interests me, anything to do with civil rights does :rolleyes:
Should it matter the race of the person making the statement?

Bill O'Reilly's not a racist. He's just concerned with the moral decline of America. The profanity in these songs is terrible, and the lyrics are enough to piss off any ardent feminist. Chicken and beer my ass - no, wait, my leg.

Oh, and those of you who have never heard of him - if you live in Canada, there's a good reason. Apparently the Canadian government is still not allowing Fox News Channel into its country, although they do apparently allow al-Jazeera. That is all.

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that again is totall censorship bullshit. A channel known to brodcast anti american video can be seen but a news channel cannot? how fucked is that

I realize he's trying to do good for the country but he lays down some false info that's a stereotype on rappers. After reading everyone's posts, I can see that he's not as much as the racist as I was thinking he was earlier today and befo, but nonetheless, I still see him with discriminatory views. I really didn't appreciate him saying that all rappers do is get arrested, that hip hop as a whole is negative, etc.

Yeah I agree he overgeneralizes things sometimes and just throws rappers together under the guilt by association umbrella. I think you'd have a hard time getting him to admit that there's a rapper out there who isn't destroying the moral fiber of america. I can see that if all I ever gave any rapper was just a passing glance, I'd think they were all the same, and that would probably have me thinking the same way about them that he does, but I pay a little more attention to who's who and what they're saying.

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Oh, and those of you who have never heard of him - if you live in Canada, there's a good reason. Apparently the Canadian government is still not allowing Fox News Channel into its country, although they do apparently allow al-Jazeera. That is all.

Yeah that totally pisses me off... they're all freedom of thought and expression, until you're saying something they don't like. Then you better shut the hell up. Foxnews can be kind of controversial sometimes, but let people watch it and decide for themselves.

Should it matter the race of the person making the statement?
Should it? No. Does it? We all know it does. When Cosby says it, there's not this accusation of him being a racist...because how can you be prejudiced against your own race? But if a white person says it (as I said a long time ago, in the Cosby thread), they're automatically a racist, even if they say the EXACT SAME THING. I mean, O'Reilly could QUOTE Cosby and I bet a bunch of people would come out of the woodwork and call him a racist. But that's life, and we have to live it.

The song "Move Bitch" don't exactly show the best message, but in another way it's just sayin like..."Get out the way, we runnin the rap game now"..I'm not saying this song's message is good but a lot of people get song meanings twisted, especially those who don't listen to rap. It could be taken as both ways, but I can see that more will see the negative aspects of the song to be demeaning against women. It might have been a way to bring I-20 into the mainstream scene as well, who knows...(due to the song's lyrics and his name)..some controversial songs will have different meanings.
No matter what the intent of the song, how are children going to take it? That's probably the whole point. And using rappers such as Ludacris, 50 Cent, and Eminem (if he was used in any ads) in children's ads might display the wrong message completely.

Smokin weed and gettin in fights don't make you gangsta. People are always getting in fights - that's called hood drama. It don't make them gangsta. Lots of people do that shit, even in high school, and you can't call them gangsta. I know this white country dude, he does that shit, is he gangsta? If you really gangsta, you're affiliated with gangs, but in the rap game it's primarily the Bloods and Crips. Ludacris is not gangsta but more of street. Shit, I'm street in many ways, does that mean I'm a gangsta? And just cause I'm street don't mean I know everything about the streets.
You're right, these rapsters aren't gang members. But they are "wannabe" ones, and are trying to portray the lifestyle. And either way, their lyrics still consist of very violent, sexually explicit, pro-drugs language.

Now, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with those kinds of lyrics, for people who are old enough and willing to hear them. Children they are not good for, but it also is the parent's job to keep what their kids shouldn't hear away from them (although it's easier to keep an album out of reach than it is the radio).

Now when these artists are associated with children's advertisements, kids look up to them as role models. The lyrics in the songs become even more "cool", as well as the product that is being sold.





I'm sorry if I cannot express myself clearly, my mind is really really foggy and I'm having some difficulty trying to get out what I'm trying to say. :(

Should it? No. Does it? We all know it does. When Cosby says it, there's not this accusation of him being a racist...because how can you be prejudiced against your own race? But if a white person says it (as I said a long time ago, in the Cosby thread), they're automatically a racist, even if they say the EXACT SAME THING. I mean, O'Reilly could QUOTE Cosby and I bet a bunch of people would come out of the woodwork and call him a racist. But that's life, and we have to live it.
Same as what she said right there in bold.

O'Reilly is not saying the exact same thing - similar but not entirely the same. If O'Reilly quoted Cosby, he would clearly not be a racist - people wouldn't be as angry that he's saying that stuff if it was quoted.

It's not that I viewed O'Reilly as a racist immediately (although it was the first thing I mentioned in my first post)...I did a little research (but not enough apparently) on the matter and regardless of whether he's not a racist, he has a discriminist view on the black rappers he's attacking. Like I said befo, I don't know if he does the same with rock artists/bands - hence why I was asking if anyone knew. It's good that he's trying to do good for the country but he's taking a wrong approach somewhat - like machinehead0007 said, he overgeneralizies things sometimes. A lot.

[it's ridiculous that the Fox News Channel won't air in Canada..]

No matter what the intent of the song, how are children going to take it? That's probably the whole point. And using rappers such as Ludacris, 50 Cent, and Eminem (if he was used in any ads) in children's ads might display the wrong message completely.


You're right, these rapsters aren't gang members. But they are "wannabe" ones, and are trying to portray the lifestyle. And either way, their lyrics still consist of very violent, sexually explicit, pro-drugs language.

Now, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with those kinds of lyrics, for people who are old enough and willing to hear them. Children they are not good for, but it also is the parent's job to keep what their kids shouldn't hear away from them (although it's easier to keep an album out of reach than it is the radio).

Now when these artists are associated with children's advertisements, kids look up to them as role models. The lyrics in the songs become even more "cool", as well as the product that is being sold.

I'm sorry if I cannot express myself clearly, my mind is really really foggy and I'm having some difficulty trying to get out what I'm trying to say. :(
That's true, children will misinterpret the lyrics...that's why the music is not aimed towards children, but yeah, kids can have easy access to rap music on the radio, tv, internet, by friends, etc.

50 Cent and Jadakiss - them two are "wannabe" gangstas (since they're a part of G-Unit/D-Block/The Lox/Ruff Ryderz, and rap about that stuff). Ludacris however, is not. His lyrics are more southern and laid back, not exactly rhymin with a "shoot em up" style. And yes, the lyrics are still violent, sexually explicit, and approving of drugs, but again, that's why this music is aimed towards people who are not young children.

Another thing...no offense to anyone, but especially whites - will not give a damn about the lyrics in songs - to them it's more about the beats. I'm not saying all whites are like this, a lot aren't, but the large majority who listens to rap is (as you know, about 60, 70% of mainstream rap albums are purchased by young white females - who have no other intention other than to dance to the music)..some whites I know do pay attention to the lyrics and some I know really don't. Most children won't really pay attention to the lyrics, and especially children who don't understand rap lyrics (as in literally, they can't tell what rappers are saying), they learn to act improperly from videos and such, not exactly the lyrics always.

That's true, children will misinterpret the lyrics...that's why the music is not aimed towards children, but yeah, kids can have easy access to rap music on the radio, tv, internet, by friends, etc.

50 Cent and Jadakiss - them two are "wannabe" gangstas (since they're a part of G-Unit/D-Block/The Lox/Ruff Ryderz, and rap about that stuff). Ludacris however, is not. His lyrics are more southern and laid back, not exactly rhymin with a "shoot em up" style. And yes, the lyrics are still violent, sexually explicit, and approving of drugs, but again, that's why this music is aimed towards people who are not young children.
If this music is not aimed toward young children, and not intended for kids in any way, then why use these rappers in advertisements with children?

Another thing...no offense to anyone, but especially whites - will not give a damn about the lyrics in songs - to them it's more about the beats. I'm not saying all whites are like this, a lot aren't, but the large majority who listens to rap is (as you know, about 60, 70% of mainstream rap albums are purchased by young white females - who have no other intention other than to dance to the music)..some whites I know do pay attention to the lyrics and some I know really don't. Most children won't really pay attention to the lyrics, and especially children who don't understand rap lyrics (as in literally, they can't tell what rappers are saying), they learn to act improperly from videos and such, not exactly the lyrics always.
Lyrics are ALways more important in a song than the sound, to me.

That's why I don't like rap for the most part. ;)

(And no, I'm not being biased, I would say the same stuff if we were talking about lyrics with sex/drugs/violence in rock music)

The reason Jadakiss was chosen in the Xbox promotion is because mainly, Xbox gamers are adults. Xbox doesn't have nearly as many "kiddie" games as the Gamecube and Playstation 2 do. Plus, the Xbox's capabilities are far beyond the Gamecube and Playstation 2's from my knowledge, and you can play with others online and such, while in the Playstation 2 you have limited online play and none at all with the Gamecube (except for some...Phantom Star Online game or something? beats me)..all that online/network shit is a bit more complicated so kids wouldn't exactly know how to hook it all up I don't think. And since it's more of young adults who listen to rap and understand it (and who play the Xbox as well), having Jadakiss promote the Xbox makes it look cool and all I guess.

Lyrics are very important in music. There are times however, where we're too tired and just need to relax and maybe we'll put on instrumentals or just not focus on the lyrics as much, but more of the music in songs. Same for when you're in clubs/venues - you can't really hear the lyrics that well, since the music is so loud. But yeah, when you're partying the lyrics don't really matter that much to a certain extent, it's more about the music...

I know you're not being biased, all genres have negativity in their music (most anyways)..I personally don't listen to a lot of mainstream rap unless it's on tv (actually, I don't even listen to local hip hop stations, it's all commercialized garbage)..hip hop has had a downfall for the real part of it, while the commercialized part has become a big success in the world :rolleyes:

The reason Jadakiss was chosen in the Xbox promotion is because mainly, Xbox gamers are adults. Xbox doesn't have nearly as many "kiddie" games as the Gamecube and Playstation 2 do. Plus, the Xbox's capabilities are far beyond the Gamecube and Playstation 2's from my knowledge, and you can play with others online and such, while in the Playstation 2 you have limited online play and none at all with the Gamecube (except for some...Phantom Star Online game or something? beats me)..all that online/network shit is a bit more complicated so kids wouldn't exactly know how to hook it all up I don't think. And since it's more of young adults who listen to rap and understand it (and who play the Xbox as well), having Jadakiss promote the Xbox makes it look cool and all I guess.
I was mainly going by your description for the ad of "G-Unit"...

But about game consoles, yes, many adults play. I play, but I don't know if I'm considered as an adult. :) But I do know, X-Box or not, that a LOT of children play, also. In fact, I believe that most kids play some form of video game. Whether or not they can set the console up themselves does not mean they don't play.

Lyrics are very important in music. There are times however, where we're too tired and just need to relax and maybe we'll put on instrumentals or just not focus on the lyrics as much, but more of the music in songs. Same for when you're in clubs/venues - you can't really hear the lyrics that well, since the music is so loud. But yeah, when you're partying the lyrics don't really matter that much to a certain extent, it's more about the music...
Yes, I do love instrumental music. But music with lyrics in them, if they are negative to me then I don't want to listen, whether or not the beat sounds good.

But that is abberant from the topic all of a sudden... :)

Well in the case of the G-Unit sneaker line (which no one buys, they look ugly)..well, no one buys it so it's alright :rolleyes: but the commercial doesn't play any G-Unit/50 songs nor does 50 even speak. He's just exercising and the little kids are watching him and they're like, "G-g-g-G-UNIT!!!" but I can see why he's a negative "role model" anyways when it comes to his music. No one really looks up to him as a role model, that's a fact...(except musically, when he was shot 9 times, even in the jaw and got dropped by Columbia Records for that (since he couldn't talk...for awhile anyways) and still managed to make a comeback rapping...but his personality makes that not much of a big deal) He's done nothing for the hip hop community or this world in general. Oh wait, except donate 50 cents for every pair of $35 - $80.50 sneakers sold :rolleyes: even after the costs and all that, it's still a crappy amount to donate and I'm sure it wasn't 50's idea in the first place.

You're considered as an adult ;)...I was mainly talking about people 18 and above. Most Xbox players are in their 20's I believe. And yes, lots of kids play, if they can't set the Xbox online play up, their older siblings/parents can for them. But the promotion is still mainly targeted at adults, not children..either way, I fail to see the harm with Jadakiss as the spokesperson or whatever in the promotion - really, the number of people who haven't heard the song Why and listen to rap, where have they been? And plus, it's not really going to make people go out and buy the album - that's a very, very small percentage. And those who do, are not going to be runnin around their block yellin "Shoot em up"..(as one of the songs is titled that)

If I hear a song with negative lyrics but it's got a hot beat, I'll usually download the instrumental. Or if I do listen to the original version, I won't really pay attention to the lyrics that much, except to laugh (like in the Ying Yang Twin's case..."I'm a Toysrus kid, yes I is/somethingsomething, yes I is/and I still like to play with my Tonka toy/and if you don't believe me, then ask my brother/and if you still don't believe me, then ask my mother"...something like that)..and that's abberant from the topic as well..:p

From what i have read and heard. O'Reilly is far from a racist. He attacks anyone. Whether you are white, black, mexican, asian... it doesn't matter to him. EX: There was a high school named Taylor County High in Georgia. It was pretty much divided bw the blacks and the whites. There they were holding an all white prom. He fought that issue bc he truely and honestly believed that it was not fair and that it hurt the black students. While Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton where no where to be found. He fought this issue. O'reilly also support a charity called ' The Best Friends Foundation.' This charity helps poor black kids, and hooks them up with someone to show them they way. I guess kinda like the boys and girls club. They are just a couple of examples. Also i cant not find the organization at the time. But there was one that was also a black organization that also boycotted Reebok bc of their promotions with 50. I will have to look around some more.

If he attacks everyone, then he should at least get his facts entirely straight befo lashing out at them (I know I'm being a bit of a hypocrite in this case, but I've discussed this O'Reilly thing befo and from what I've been told he is a racist...plus I ain't a "professional" like him..not calling him a racist right now, but rather more discriminist)

I'm not sure if it's just the wrong accusations with hip hop when it comes to him, or whether it's more than just that. I'll check it out later cause I got to work in about 9 hours and got to get some sleep soon.

It's good if he's tryin to do good in this world but he's overreacting in some cases. But I guess you can't blame his lack of experience in the area if you know what I'm sayin.

As for that black organization that boycotted Reebok cause of that promotion with 50...well, that failed.

Do I believe the O'Reilly blows things out of proportion... Very much so. Like I have said before, I have recently read his new book. I enjoyed it. He touches and attacks all angles from music to govenment to the news media.

I checked some reviews on O'Reilly's book (that Looking Out For You one), and it seems that while it has a lot of positive reviews, there's quite a bit of negative ones as well. But with this kind of attacks and all, of course there's going to be people thinking negatively of him (ie me, still)..

Maybe after work today I'll stop by B&N (right next to where I work anyways...by the mall) and read a bit of his book. I'm interested in seeing how he approaches other events negatively, aside from hip hop. Like I've mentioned several times befo, I can see he's tryin to do good..learned a bit about him in this topic...but he's takin wrong approaches.

While it offends me greatly the way he sees rappers, especially black ones from what he says (since Eminem is not even gangsta and didn't grow up in a hood from my knowledge), I'm sure is the same way others feel about the way he offends their cultures/groups/etc. Got to do some research on this shit. Oddly, it interests me :rolleyes: