A group on campus held a "Straight Pride Rally", it wasn’t condemning other lifestyles. But this group who held it was criticized for hosting the event by various groups and people. Why do some people get so offended when the majority shows pride in its convictions? Is there validity in the objections to the “Straight Pride Rally”?

This debate is not over gay marriage. It is over amount of expression the majority is able to show and how it conflicts with the amount of expression the minority can show by society's standards.

Whoever held the straight pride rally was looking for trouble. What would they expect if they held a "white pride" rally? Anyway, I'm sick of rallies and demonstrations, period. I don't care what the issue is, or what side you're on, please don't have a protest. Protests suck major ass.


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A group on campus held a "Straight Pride Rally", it wasn’t condemning other lifestyles. But this group who held it was criticized for hosting the event by various groups and people. Why do some people get so offended when the majority shows pride in its convictions? Is there validity in the objections to the “Straight Pride Rally”?

This debate is not over gay marriage. It is over amount of expression the majority is able to show and how it conflicts with the amount of expression the minority can show by society's standards.

Why would anyone have a Straight Pride Rally, if not to condemn that of other choices? Really, what else could the possibly hope to achieve in this?

Do you think that gays have the Gay Pride Parade so they can all get happy and love eachother all over the street? well maybe they do like that, but that's not really the point. The point is to enlighten something that has been oppressed for generations, and is finally getting recognized as it's own right.

Honestly, there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to have a parade of that choice, but I would think it's pretty pointless, and I would also think anyone involved in that are a bunch of asses.

So all majority groups do is criticize? Is there anything wrong with me taking pride in the fact that I'm a white, protestant American with Irish and German heritage? yay for WASPs! (for those of you who don't know a WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) There's just as much cultural depth and conviction within the majority as there is in the minority. Get used to it.

Whoever held the straight pride rally was looking for trouble. What would they expect if they held a "white pride" rally? Anyway, I'm sick of rallies and demonstrations, period. I don't care what the issue is, or what side you're on, please don't have a protest. Protests suck major ass.


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~KurtThey used to mean something. They used to be about, well, protesting--protesting actions of government or businesses. Now it seems like an excuse for angsty protein-deficient teens to get together and commit senseless acts of violence and noise pollution.

I suppose what's good for the goose is good for the gander. But I don't see the point in a "straight pride" rally. Gay rallies are done to get people to be more tolerant of them, etc.

and all this time i thought it was wildly anti-social pagan










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People in minority groups have parades and marches to make statements about their beliefs and lifestyles. Why? Because they don't think they're being heard. Who aren't they being heard by? The Majority.

So, a minority group holds activities to draw the attention of the majority to their position.

Who the hell are The Majority trying to impress? :rolleyes: The only reason a group of white, anglo-saxon, protestant males would ever get together to celebrate themselves is to parody smaller groups who are trying to make a statement.

It's pointless and wrong.

My tuppenceworth there. :)

Why would anyone have a Straight Pride Rally, if not to condemn that of other choices? Really, what else could the possibly hope to achieve in this?

Do you think that gays have the Gay Pride Parade so they can all get happy and love eachother all over the street? well maybe they do like that, but that's not really the point. The point is to enlighten something that has been oppressed for generations, and is finally getting recognized as it's own right.

Honestly, there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to have a parade of that choice, but I would think it's pretty pointless, and I would also think anyone involved in that are a bunch of asses.

For the same reason homosexuals and lesbians throw a "Gay Pride" rally: Because they can. Living in Toronto, we host one of the largest (if not THE largest) gay pride parade/rally in North America every year. I've seen several, and if there was an "enlightning" message that I was supposed to get from it, between all the nudity, simulated sex/oral sex with dildos, and S&M, I guess it was lost on me. :confused:

If these rallies are supposed to make straight people more "tolerant" , then I think they're entirely going about it the wrong way. To quote a local gay columnist, and activist: "But to be proud about the mere fact that you fuck people of your own sex is simply silly and self-indulgent. It isn't an achievement. It isn't even an act of courage -- at least not any more. It's fucking. And if Gay Pride isn't about sex, why is there such an emphasis on naked male musculature and drag queens attempting to be sexy sirens, no matter how unsuccessfully? Trust me, it's a fuckfest; and don't let anyone tell you any different.". Henceforth, why any enlightening message was clearly lost on me.

Personally, I'm sick of rallies altogether. Gay or straight, vegan or meat eater, the often used "in your face" tactics never really work they way people think they do. More often than not, they just seem like an organized excuse for someone to mis-behave, in a politically-acceptable setting.

It is wrong because the majority is heard.


Recently there was a Fair Elections rally at my college over the recent SGA elections (which I won my position) It turned into a white vs black rally because of the stupid ABC affiliate here. It wasn't. People just wanted to make sure that elections were fair and that all rules were recorded. Others made it racist because most of the postions' candidates were white and black (except mine white, frat guy and white, independent girl. I won.) So sick of rallies

I completely understand what you're saying.
It is deemed offensive if straight people celebrate their straightness. I can understand in a sense why this is but I think it's completely uneccessary.
You should be free to celebrate what you are without fear of offending anybody, although there are exceptions to this (no one wants to hold a parade for axe murderers).

It also applies to Whites celebrating their pride. Recently it was St Georges day in England which is a day when the English are supposed to celebrate being English and their history and culture. Unfortunately, many deem it offensive because they believe it to be connected with racism and that if a white person celebrates that then they are obviously racist people. Sorry to rope that in but I just basically wanted to show another example.

It seems that minorities can celebrate simply because they are minorities and because they need to band together to celebrate that but I still think that majorities who choose to celebrate shouldnt be ashamed and fearful to do so.

According to the latest Census, if we wait a few more years we can hold Caucasian Pride Rallies, we will be the minority soon enough. I guess the old terms of “Majority Rule” are out the door. Just like the last election...

Who the hell is the Minority trying to impress? It used to be about higher motives, but it's been lost since then. Women's Right Leaders used to Abhor Abortion (leader such as Elizabeth Blackwell) Gay rights was once a daring act to show that gays are normal people also, and they want what any heterosexual person wants: love. As quoted above it has become less than that. It only helps to build the walls. The PETA wanted everyone to respect their lifestyle and a lot of the time they end up ignoring other people's lifestyles. If they don't have a serious turn around with pride rallies, they are not going to make any progress. One word people: Propaganda!

That is exactly what i was trying to get at with this thread. Very well put Lies Kayz.

According to the latest Census, if we wait a few more years we can hold Caucasian Pride Rallies, we will be the minority soon enough. I guess the old terms of “Majority Rule” are out the door. Just like the last election...

Who the hell is the Minority trying to impress? It used to be about higher motives, but it's been lost since then. Women's Right Leaders used to Abhor Abortion (leader such as Elizabeth Blackwell) Gay rights was once a daring act to show that gays are normal people also, and they want what any heterosexual person wants: love. As quoted above it has become less than that. It only helps to build the walls. The PETA wanted everyone to respect their lifestyle and a lot of the time they end up ignoring other people's lifestyles. If they don't have a serious turn around with pride rallies, they are not going to make any progress. One word people: Propaganda!

Depending on where you live, you might already be able to hold one now! :confused:

even if the majority becomes the minority they still couldnt hold "Caucasian Pride Rallies" by society's standard

I think the point of anyrally these days is more for those participating in it than for those viewing. Take gay pride parades for example, a marchers who is probably not running around his office building shouting about his/ her love for their same sex gets one day to go to an extreme and let it all hang out, so to speak. And it is not the belief that they are trying to make people more tolerent that is important, but the fact that they are doing it with hundreds of other people behind him. How times have you seen five people marching down the street for a raised minimum wage.

No, i dont like people getting together and holding white- black pride rallies, but then i remember that they are doing it to convince themselves that they are "special". Self indulgence rules the day.

Whoever held the straight pride rally was looking for trouble. What would they expect if they held a "white pride" rally? Anyway, I'm sick of rallies and demonstrations, period. I don't care what the issue is, or what side you're on, please don't have a protest. Protests suck major ass.


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Kurt just totally pwnz0red.

People should be able to hold any kind of parade they want, I guess.

This question (off-topic) kind of reminds me of that white heritage scholarship that was getting a lot of coverage on CNN. The majority can be proud of what they are too, I suppose. I don't want to be passed up for scholarships because I'm white. That sucks.

People should be able to hold any kind of parade they want, I guess.

This question (off-topic) kind of reminds me of that white heritage scholarship that was getting a lot of coverage on CNN. The majority can be proud of what they are too, I suppose. I don't want to be passed up for scholarships because I'm white. That sucks.


I have to agree, telling ppl they cant have a straight pride parade is unfair, unless they are doing it for the wrong reasons. If the majority of ppl where gay, would they still be able to hold a gay pride parade? most likely.

hm, if straight people do straight pride rally's, then i'm curious, which way is it in america:
do the gay people have prejudices against the straight people or do straight people condemn the gays?

I agree with you. I;m bi and I went to Gay Pride in Birmingham for a day out! What I can't understand is why because they're gay they have to make such a big deal about it. I think it's a shame, because I know lots of gay people. Some of them just accept it which is great. They feel 'normal' as it's just a way of life. You then get the others who always want to make sure everyone knows they're gay. Somebody I know will make comments about girls asses ALL the time, and it's a bit over the top. I don't understand why it's been taught to us that homosexuals are normal people and shouldn't be treated any differently. I completely agree with that because at the end of the day it's a preference. But after being taught all that, you get some people who put themselves in a little group, almost giving the impression they're different and anything you say against them is because of their sexuality. I think this can be found in different racial groups too.

Whoa, bit of a rant there sorry!

I'm not saying all gay people are like that! It's a shame some have to ruin it for the others!!

Talya xx

I don't know. When I hear pride (at least in this usage), I think of conceit. I have no conceit about my sexuality. What choice I make in my decision to be heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual doesn't change my humanity. I don't think anyone should need to take pride in their sexuality. It should be something that should be considered another part of personality and lifestyle. It's just that homosexuals and bisexuals have HAD take pride in their sexuality due to how after so much abuse and questioning on their lifestyle.

Being heterosexual doesn't make you any better than anyone else. It's just a part of who you are, as is for homosexuality and bisexuality. I mean, don't look at someone and say "I have a leg, but yours is different than mine. You suck, I own. You've been pwned by my leg." Sexuality is not something that can necessarily be changed, nor should it need to be.

<looks in saddness at pwned legs>

While their are people in abundance that will say "Bow down before my legs!" i think that there is also a good amount of people expecting, maybe even hoping deep down, that someone will shove something down their throats. Ive come across books at barnes and noble in the religion section dealing exclusivly with how to deflet arguments made for and against that religion. That means that somewhere there is someone memorizing passages on how to change the subject without losing face.

To call up monty python " Look at me everyone, im being repressed! Look at the violence inherit in the system"

A group on campus held a "Straight Pride Rally", it wasn’t condemning other lifestyles. But this group who held it was criticized for hosting the event by various groups and people. Why do some people get so offended when the majority shows pride in its convictions? Is there validity in the objections to the “Straight Pride Rally”?

This debate is not over gay marriage. It is over amount of expression the majority is able to show and how it conflicts with the amount of expression the minority can show by society's standards.

Anyone who wants to have a rally for pride of their faith, sexuality, religion, whatever, is fine with me, as long as they arent hurting anyone or promoting hate. In My Opinion.

A group on campus held a "Straight Pride Rally", it wasn’t condemning other lifestyles. But this group who held it was criticized for hosting the event by various groups and people. Why do some people get so offended when the majority shows pride in its convictions? Is there validity in the objections to the “Straight Pride Rally”?

This debate is not over gay marriage. It is over amount of expression the majority is able to show and how it conflicts with the amount of expression the minority can show by society's standards.

My beliefs are that if a group of straight people were to hold a Straight Pride Parade, it would undoubtedly be viewed as homophobic. Shoud Gay Pride Parades then not be viewed as heterophobic?

All "pride" parades/rallies/whatevers should be banned. (This is not meant to be offensive) Nobody cares whether or not you are gay, or black, or Hispanic. We don't care that you're proud of it. You are what you are, and holding a parade for your race/sexual preference/ethnicity will not make (most) people think any differently of your race/sexual preference/ethnicity.

Anyone who wants to have a rally for pride of their faith, sexuality, religion, whatever, is fine with me, as long as they arent hurting anyone or promoting hate. In My Opinion.

I agree to some extent, but why should Straight Pride or "Pro-White" rallies be viewed as homophobic, or racist? If they are, then the same should be thought of for the opposites.

I agree. Tit for tat. :)

its retarded that certain homosexual activist groups can assemble with no problem, but the minute a heterosexual group assembles, theres so much controversy.

i'm straight but personally i wouldn't go to a "straight pride" event, being that heterosexuality is a normalcy and i dont think its something to necessarily "be proud" of. thats like saying im proud to be a mammal. mammal pride woo hoo!

lmao -falls over- yeah! Mammal pride! Lets have a mammal pride parade, no fish allowed! damn dirty fish..... :D

its retarded that certain homosexual activist groups can assemble with no problem, but the minute a heterosexual group assembles, theres so much controversy.
lmao -falls over- yeah! Mammal pride! Lets have a mammal pride parade, no fish allowed! damn dirty fish.....
You are both a couple of assholes. Scratch that - You're a couple of small-minded assholes.

I bet your world doesn't extend beyond your own fully-formed norms.

chadwick - (forgive me for not appreciating your aesthetic disregard for character cases) - why do you think that "Heterosexual Groups" need to form? Do you honestly believe that Heterosexuals are threatened by the Homo Menace at the door? :rolleyes: I have ZERO respect for you. You need to know this.
ItFeelsLower - Have a thought of your own. Let us know what it feels like. There's a good lad.

Whoa whoa whoa, wtf? I've been here all of three days and suddenly I'm getting attacked for making a joke? Cheesus, I didnt know making a joke would piss you off so much Head (cool name by the way and I'm being serious, do you listen to Dane Cook?). I'm the farthest thing from small-minded and I DO have my own oppinions (please read up a little before you make assumptions). However, unlike you, I dont get pissed off when someone with a different oppinion then me posts theirs. At least, I dont ATTACK people when they make a stupid joke about "mammal pride". How can you get pissed at that? it's the stupidest thing in the world! Cheesus, lighten up a little.

I personally think its all moot, being that pride is a false virtue anyways. I just don't like being hit over the head with it all the time, though I understand it was rough (and still is) for the gay part of humanity.
Whatever floats your boat, as long as it doesn't involve harming others. The world can only improve if we all are more tolerant of differences.
(takes off halo and puts it back in the box)

Andy

Seems like they were just making a point. In this day and age, the "MAJORITY" is slowly BECOMING a minority. I'm sure this is going to ruffle a lot of feathers out there, but think about this for a minute . . .

Straight, white, men, are slowly becoming discriminated just as much as any one else. Before you object, think about it. It's becoming impossible for them to make any legally safe decisions in the work place. Say a black man isn't doing his job right. Can a white man fire him? Sure. Will there be consequences? Yeah, probably . . .

The fact is, many unqualified people, of every race, gender, and sexual preference, are hired every day. Just to fill in a percentage. While the same QUALIFIED classes of people I just mentioned above are turned away. The average white businessman can't AFFORD to say no anymore. But it has to happen sometimes.

We're living in a country where white pride is an obscenity. Whiles, African Americans, (By the way, I am one) are allowed make racial comments about whites quite freely. Which is total hypocrisy, and it's made us just as bad as them.

I think the same is true between gays and straights. We all have the same rights, and the same place to live. Why the hell can't we just stop pointing fingers back and forth, and just mind our own damn business?

When did it become a crime for any of us to be proud of who and what we are?

White, Black, Spanish, Asian, Gay, Straight, Bi . . .

So what?

Last time I checked we were all human . . .

my parents went to disney world and all i got was this stupid lobotomy

I'm not sure how I feel about gay parades...I have nothing against homosexuals, but I think that those parades often do go in the wrong direction. I think it would be a better idea if they expressed themselves in a more respectful way. Many people are ignorant about homosexuality. They don't understand it, and therefore, they fear or hate it. A lot of people just don't know what to think of it. The parades just make these people hate it more. What people need is to be educated about the subject so that they can understand it better. As for straight parades, I don't see the point in the majority expressing themselves in that way. In my opinion, that's just a way of expressing dislike towards homosexuality. I don't think there really should be any parades...just some constructive, nonoffensive way of enlightening people about homosexuality and other minority groups so that people can understand and respect each other better.

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I am not sure about it...I would actually think they were having the rally to get back at the gays, offend them or something. That is just my opinion, though.


When the Mardi Gra was on, all the anti gays were pissed off about it, because it was shown live on TV, they all said they didn't want to have to sit through a bunch 'of pansys in tutus strutting their stuff' or 'a pack of queers' or 'disfunctional people'
The Mardi Gra is no longer shown on television, I do not know if this is because a bunch of pathetic homphobes got their way, or because the event went bankrupt, all I know is that it is no longer shown.

These poor gays, who were showing the world how proud they were of who they are, got so much shit from all these mindless, bias, predjudiced human beings, saying their children would grow up gay from seeing that they can go marching through streets on floots like the easter parade...the things people came out with was sickening, and not to mention downright offensive and hurtful.

So, if gay people want to raise a stick about people having a straight pride rally, I say good on them. Give then a taste of their own medicine, and see how they like it.

When the Mardi Gra was on, all the anti gays were pissed off about it, because it was shown live on TV, they all said they didn't want to have to sit through a bunch 'of pansys in tutus strutting their stuff' or 'a pack of queers' or 'disfunctional people'
The Mardi Gra is no longer shown on television, I do not know if this is because a bunch of pathetic homphobes got their way, or because the event went bankrupt, all I know is that it is no longer shown.

These poor gays, who were showing the world how proud they were of who they are, got so much shit from all these mindless, bias, predjudiced human beings, saying their children would grow up gay from seeing that they can go marching through streets on floots like the easter parade...the things people came out with was sickening, and not to mention downright offensive and hurtful.

So, if gay people want to raise a stick about people having a straight pride rally, I say good on them. Give then a taste of their own medicine, and see how they like it.
First of all, who said, "they all said they didn't want to have to sit through a bunch 'of pansys in tutus strutting their stuff' or 'a pack of queers' or 'disfunctional people" ?

Now, going back to what other people in this thread have mentioned... the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras copped a lot of flack, from homosexuals as well as heterosexuals, because a lot of people can not understand how walking through the streets of Sydney with your bits and pieces hanging out all over the place equals having pride in your sexuality.

I couldn't careless about any "pride protest" or "pride parade", but I, like I imagine a lot of other Australians, don't want to watch a bunch of semi-naked people walking around acting in what seems to be the "stereotypical gay" manner.

I don't for one minute believe that all gay and lesbian people run around having promiscuious sex, wearing those cowboy pants things with their arses hanging out all over the place... but that is the impression a lot of people got from the Mardi Gras. It did nothing to help them show people that they aren't these big bad gays that people are fearful of.

As for it not being on TV anymore, that has a lot more to do with advertising than anything else. The last one had very poor ratings, so no network is going to continue airing if they can't make a profit off it.

A group on campus held a "Straight Pride Rally", it wasn’t condemning other lifestyles. But this group who held it was criticized for hosting the event by various groups and people. Why do some people get so offended when the majority shows pride in its convictions?
Kinda what would happen if someone held a white pride gathering. OMG RACIST!!!

Well, the majority is so worried about being politically correct, its sorta sad. Like with the Washington school cancelling halloween because witches were offended. I guess no one knows the -true- motives of people who join these marches or rallies- its like the Crusades: people would join for all the wrong reasons- but again, people try too hard to be politically correct...its hard to do anything that targets a certain group of people without offending others.

First of all, who said, "they all said they didn't want to have to sit through a bunch 'of pansys in tutus strutting their stuff' or 'a pack of queers' or 'disfunctional people" ?

Now, going back to what other people in this thread have mentioned... the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras copped a lot of flack, from homosexuals as well as heterosexuals, because a lot of people can not understand how walking through the streets of Sydney with your bits and pieces hanging out all over the place equals having pride in your sexuality.

I couldn't careless about any "pride protest" or "pride parade", but I, like I imagine a lot of other Australians, don't want to watch a bunch of semi-naked people walking around acting in what seems to be the "stereotypical gay" manner.

I don't for one minute believe that all gay and lesbian people run around having promiscuious sex, wearing those cowboy pants things with their arses hanging out all over the place... but that is the impression a lot of people got from the Mardi Gras. It did nothing to help them show people that they aren't these big bad gays that people are fearful of.

As for it not being on TV anymore, that has a lot more to do with advertising than anything else. The last one had very poor ratings, so no network is going to continue airing if they can't make a profit off it.


Your newspapers are different to ours...if you had have read the Melbourne ones, in the 50/50 sections, people make all there nasty comments there.
You will be surprised at the hurtful things that were said, and these letters weren't edited eithor.

People bitch about having all of those gay obscene things thrown in their face at these gay pride rallies, but EXCUSE ME? Have you turned on your television, or looked around at your local school and such lately? You'll see alot of the same, people practically have sex in the halls of my school. BUT OMIGAWD IF a FAG was to do that, they would get their ass beaten down. So don't even give me that fucking bullshit about it being obscene and tacky. Though, yes I respect the person who said they didn't see how homosexuals were trying to educate and teach heterosexuals about their sexuality with this eccentric parades, they were totally right. Most of the parades and Mardi Gras these days are not about much education at all, faggots like to piss breeders off. We like the attention the breeders give us, hell we like all attention in general, we like being shocking, and throwing our bodies around.

Ummm....the majority of the worlds population is straight, why would you need a rally?

I agree with the above two posts, why have a rally when most people in this world are straight anyway?


And I agree, if two gays were to kiss in a school hall, they would be in big trouble, but a guy and a girl can suck each others brains out and not get into any trouble at all, it isn't fair at all.

No...it isn't fair, but it is new, and so it is treated differently. Naturally humans dislike new ideas (even in the long run, homosexuality is anything but new), so it may take even hundreds of years before homosexulality becomes the "norm" again.

No...it isn't fair, but it is new, and so it is treated differently. Naturally humans dislike new ideas (even in the long run, homosexuality is anything but new), so it may take even hundreds of years before homosexulality becomes the "norm" again.

Remind me of the last time it was the norm... I think I must have forgotten. :)

Remind me of the last time it was the norm... I think I must have forgotten. :)

In ancient Greek society, especially among the Spartans, homosexuality was highly accepted and even encouraged. At young ages, men were taken from their families, and they spend their entire lives surrounded by other men in the armies, and so naturally they became intimatly attached. The same goes for women, Spartan women were fit and beautiful and had a lot of power since the men were all off at the army, and so they were often attracted to each other too. There a many Spartan pots with scenes of men intimatly involved, and if I can find one, I'll post on here.

In ancient Greek society, especially among the Spartans, homosexuality was highly accepted and even encouraged. At young ages, men were taken from their families, and they spend their entire lives surrounded by other men in the armies, and so naturally they became intimatly attached. The same goes for women, Spartan women were fit and beautiful and had a lot of power since the men were all off at the army, and so they were often attracted to each other too. There a many Spartan pots with scenes of men intimatly involved, and if I can find one, I'll post on here.

Being attached has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Homosexuality was neither accepted or not accepted in ancient greece. Part of the intruction of youths and hazing was in fact homosexual behavior, but it wasn't the norm. A better example would be ritualized homosexuality in simple societies. It was the norm to engage in homosexuality during particular ceremonies and rituals.

Actually alot of the ancient greeks participated in homosexuality because women were seen of as the scum of society. For some people who didnt want to be seen to associate with them, yes it was the norm.

Being attached has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Homosexuality was neither accepted or not accepted in ancient greece. Part of the intruction of youths and hazing was in fact homosexual behavior, but it wasn't the norm. A better example would be ritualized homosexuality in simple societies. It was the norm to engage in homosexuality during particular ceremonies and rituals.

No, there were Homosexual Greeks. Maybe not by "nature," but it is the love between the same sex. I was answering the question, and it was accepted in Sparta. (I'm an Archeology Major, this is my focus of study), and like I said, there are many Spartan pots that display males having sex with each other (I've attached one, and I know there are more, I've seen them, I just can't find a picture of it). Men feared to be with women at times of marriage becuase they had grown so attached and intimate with other men.

Here is a quote from "Egypt, Greece and Rome," a book by Charles Freeman, published by Oxford Univerisy Press: (refering to the Spartans here)

"It seems, though the direct evidence is slight, that homosexual relationships were the norm. Certianly there was little scope for any other form of physical affection. Men could marry, but until they were 30 all visits to their wives had to be conducted stealthily by night. (There was an interesting ritual relating to the consummation of marriage. On the marriage night the bride was dressed in a man's cloak and sandals and laid in an unlit room to await the attentions of her bridegroom. The deflowering of a woman dressed as a man may, it has been suggested, have marked a formal transition from the homosexual world of the mess to that of the heterosexual.)" (pg. 175)

The Greeks themselves weren't homosexual, but many were, and it was clearly accepted amongst the Spartans. Athens is a different story...

Equality means equal rights. Not special priviliges to minorities. Everyone should have an equal right to express themselves. In a non-offensive way anyway. KKK members burning crosses or gay men simulating sex on a parade float is rather offensive in my oppinion. But it would be the same way if it were Black Panthers (do they still even exhist?) or straight people getting their thing on. Making yourself heard is one thing. Shoving it down someone's throat is another.

I may be a 'WASP', as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, but I do sort of belong to a minority, though I shall not say which. Anonymity, which I hear is used at many GSA meetings, prevents conflict and bias. ^_^

I can understand a certain group's desire to express pride in something they strongly belive in or practice and no doubt, it is their right to express themselves as they wish as long as it does not harm or infringe upon the rights of others. But I personally do not think that something like a person sexual orientation should matter all too much when it comes to defining who they are. True it is a big part of who you are and it plays an important role in your life, but it shoudl not be the main focus of all the wonderful and unique things that define a person. For some reason or another, a persons sexual orientation seems to be something that one carries around their neck like a sign and that is supposed to accomplish something. I'm not really sure what but there is an emphasis on it now that may have been ther before, but I may not have seen. Im not sure. All I know is that I am tired of being constantly confronted with questions of this nature like I am being interrigated for a crime. Let me be what I am, let others be what they wish, all that should matter is the happiness and acceptance of that person for what really matters.

Well spoken, Tini Kristini. I think one reason some people act like 'flamers' is because they are really insecure about themselves and feel that flaunting their preferences will affirm them or something. Same with some straight guys that constantly call each other names like 'fag' and 'homo'. I find it hard to believe that 'fairies' are being themselves, because it takes an awful lot of effort to put on such a show. Not trying to sound biased at all here, but perhaps if people would just be themselves and not try so hard to define themselves, they would be better received? Just an idea...

WhisperedDreams is right about Greeks and homosexuality. In the military, it was used as part of a war tactic. When fighting, they put the young boys in front, with the theory being that their older lovers/caretakers would fight harder in order to go and protect them from the enemy.

There are societies today where homosexuality is the norm. I do not remember where they are, but one culture views heterosexuality as disgusting and uses it strictly for procreation, with all sexual pleasure coming from homosexuality.

"[The topic] is over amount of expression the majority is able to show and how it conflicts with the amount of expression the minority can show by society's standards."
The whole Christmas debacle goes along the same lines I think, and all holidays.
I dont agree that Halloween is bad, but at the same time you have to wonder. There are people, some of the extreme majority, who feel that it is evil. But from what I know, schools still have Halloween Parties. When parents object to "Winter Holiday" Parties, they are shut down. I just think that some people only see what they want to see. The point of this is to say that the majority, even though made to be big and evil, can be a victim as well. But lets take note of the time, I probably wont even remember writing this...oh well....

Being Bi sexual myself I can easily see how people could be offended by a "straight pride" event, however at the same time, each to their own.

Ok here we go, for one thing I am a straight, white, Christian (no denomination) from Louisiana. However, bc of this fact I am already labeled as a racist, backwater, bible throwing, bigot. I dont care if someone is gay or not, thats their business. I dont see why a group of white guys cant get together to claim their love for women. I think its kindof funny anyway. But when it comes to the issue of sex and obscenity from both parties gay or straight, I think the television shows it way too much. When did protecting your kids from sick sex and nudity on television become a crime. This is the liberal media trying to destroy the morals of society. I myself dont want to see anyone making out or having sex on tv or on the streets, keep it in your bedroom. I myself however, have felt racism yes it is possible that a white guy can be discriminated. I love everyone no matter their skin color, which is really overrated. That is what my God has taught me, not hate speech. So before you start calling people bigots, racists, and small minded a-holes, examine yourself and listen to your own words.

Ok here we go, for one thing I am a straight, white, Christian (no denomination) from Louisiana. However, bc of this fact I am already labeled as a racist, backwater, bible throwing, bigot. I dont care if someone is gay or not, thats their business. I dont see why a group of white guys cant get together to claim their love for women. I think its kindof funny anyway. But when it comes to the issue of sex and obscenity from both parties gay or straight, I think the television shows it way too much. When did protecting your kids from sick sex and nudity on television become a crime. This is the liberal media trying to destroy the morals of society. I myself dont want to see anyone making out or having sex on tv or on the streets, keep it in your bedroom. I myself however, have felt racism yes it is possible that a white guy can be discriminated. I love everyone no matter their skin color, which is really overrated. That is what my God has taught me, not hate speech. So before you start calling people bigots, racists, and small minded a-holes, examine yourself and listen to your own words.


I don't agree with the sex on TV part, I actually like to watch sex on TV, as do many other people, but if you don't, then that's fine.

I do, however, love the fact that you are not like many other Christian's I have encountered. It is quite rare, for me at least, to find a Christian who does not discriminate against homosexuals. As you said, your God has taught you to love everyone no matter what, and I love that.
If every Christian thought that way, I would be a very happy person. So thank you, you have made my day. :)

I don't agree with the sex on TV part, I actually like to watch sex on TV, as do many other people, but if you don't, then that's fine.

I do, however, love the fact that you are not like many other Christian's I have encountered. It is quite rare, for me at least, to find a Christian who does not discriminate against homosexuals. As you said, your God has taught you to love everyone no matter what, and I love that.
If every Christian thought that way, I would be a very happy person. So thank you, you have made my day. :)
Most Christians DO think that way. Remember, loving everyone does not mean condoning their behavior. For instance, I am required by my religious leanings to love even those on death row for serial murder. But that doesn't mean that I like the fact that they're serial killers. Similarly, many Christians who don't condone homosexuality still love homosexual people.

That said, I don't find any evidence in the Bible against homosexuality and I don't have any religious leanings either way. However, I am opposed to homosexual marriage - and it's not because I hate homosexuals. I love homosexuals just like I love everyone else, and my objection to homosexual marriage does not stem from a condemnation of homosexual activity.

However, we've already eaten the homosexual issue to death on this board, and I don't want this to become a debate about gay marriage or homosexuality. To that effect, I will do my part by not posting again in this thread.

As to the Straight Pride rally, I say that free speech allows us to do whatever we want to do. If people are proud that they're straight, that's fine - as long as the whole event is not centered around hatred of homosexuals. Even if they do, they'd have to be allowed since they're Constitutionally protected. In much the same way, I think that white pride rallies, Native American pride rallies, men's pride rallies, women's pride rallies, and the like should be allowed no matter what, and should be considered acceptable to all as long as they don't spew hatred about an opposing group. But that's just my two cents.

<3 Mary

Most Christians DO think that way. Remember, loving everyone does not mean condoning their behavior. For instance, I am required by my religious leanings to love even those on death row for serial murder. But that doesn't mean that I like the fact that they're serial killers. Similarly, many Christians who don't condone homosexuality still love homosexual people.

Mary is so darn smart.

That was perfectly said mah dear. :)

It frustrates me so much when people try to paint all Christians as homophobes.

My personal belief is, if you're proud of what you are, you should be, as long as you don't make others feel wrong about how they are.

I'm straight but I believe, and many people I know believe the same, that everyone is a little bisexual, and I'm no exception to that, to be honest. It just depends on exactly how much you like the other sex that determines your sexuality.

Everyone should have the right to express themselves as they see themselves. It's what's called freedom.

I'm not really "proud" of how I am, it just doesn't bother me in the slightest.

amy

I'm straight but I believe, and many people I know believe the same, that everyone is a little bisexual, and I'm no exception to that, to be honest. It just depends on exactly how much you like the other sex that determines your sexuality.

You're pretty much correct. I dont wanna seem smarter than i am- but its true- no one is 100% straight. No one. At some point in your life, or even now, you have found the same gender appealing to you. This doesnt make you gay or bi. You're straight- but some people (younger teens) interpret this and think "I must be bi/gay, I have feelings for the same gender!". But during everyone's life, you find the same sex to be attractive. And yeah- no one is 100% straight, whether people admit it or not.

And yeah- no one is 100% straight, whether people admit it or not.

It takes strength to admit it. I've only actually told one person out loud, and in the above post ^ was the first time I wrote it on here. But it is what I honestly believe.

Young teens shouldn't interpret it that way. I used to think for a little time that I might be bi but I realised I'm just not totally. On a scale of 1-10 I'd put myself at an 8 or 9, 10 being straight. And I'm fine with that. No problem. It's a stage most people go through in their lives. Very few people will come out and say it though, that they've gone through a stage. And I respect those who do.

amy

Mary is so darn smart.

That was perfectly said mah dear. :)

It frustrates me so much when people try to paint all Christians as homophobes.


I do not do that...it is just that whenever i open a paper or watch the news, there always seems to be Christians voicing their opinions on gay this and gay that. We never hear of the good points, they never seem to stand up and say good things, it always seems to be discriminatory. i don't know if that's because Christians are like that where I live, but I just for once want some good Christians to stand up and tell all those big wig Christians (and there are a few) to shove off.

i think its stupid
and they are just looking for a fight
what the hell were they thinking...
its good to have pride for your own sexuality but i mean why a rally..agh w/e
:confused: idiots...asking for trouble


frm: bi and proud of it (danielle)

I think in a way they were asking for trouble, like you say above^^^.

When the Mardi Gra was on, as it was each year, people would complain constantly about the whole thing, like gay people had no right to be proud of themselves, and to let others know they were proud.

Now a bunch of straights decide to have a straight pride rally, and whose complaining? What would have happened if a couple of gays had have complained about this straight rally? They wouldn't have been given the time of day.

Given what gay people go through on a daily basis, I think it is good for gays to have a special day where they can come out and let everyone know how happy they are, but for straights? Being straight isn't frownded upon. Starights can get married and have kids, and don't face the kind of discrimaination gays do. Everyone knows that people who are stright would be happy, they don't have to tell us that. Gays should be able to let us all know that they too, can be happy in their way of life, and a parade is just the way to do it. :)

I do not do that...it is just that whenever i open a paper or watch the news, there always seems to be Christians voicing their opinions on gay this and gay that. We never hear of the good points, they never seem to stand up and say good things, it always seems to be discriminatory. i don't know if that's because Christians are like that where I live, but I just for once want some good Christians to stand up and tell all those big wig Christians (and there are a few) to shove off.

Christians believe that homosexuality is fundamentally wrong. Thus, why would they ever speak good things about it? Being opposed to homosexuality is NOT being a homophobic bigot. It just means that you are opposed to an action and a lifestyle, and you choose to actively speak out against it. Last time I checked, in the US, you have the right to free speech and the right to hold specific religious beliefs. Speaking out against homosexuality is not "hate speech" or even bigotry.

what you dont relize is that while you are stateing your opinion you are hurting others' feelings ...and thats not right you should keep those things to yourself
people spit on me and call me names for what i am...because i choose to be with someone of the same sex...i cant help who i fall in love with..and i beleive if you feel like its wrong to at least respect their desicions or just not talk about it at all

danielle-

Well, I don't suppose they need to be so proud about it, since they don't have to fight for rights, ya know? It's a little different when the majority keeps shooting you down..

let me start on the note that i would be very offended if someone held a str8 pride rally, and probly grab the nearest gay girl and make out.

continueing on, theres gay pride events because gay people are so discriminated agianst, for example by the jerks who held a str8 pride rally, knowing it would cause trouble.


even farther, your a major jerk for supporting such an event.

i relise this isnt the most intelegent post, but things like this get me mad. you dont want me mad. :rainbow:

I think everyone, regardless of gender, age, ethnic background and sexual orientation should be proud of who they are.

But I do disagree with a straight pride rally. Straight couples can walk down the street and hold hands every day--but a gay couple? They get stared at, get rude comments shouted, and occasionally attacked. True enough, you find the occasional open-minded street to hold hands on, but there's always gonna be a homophobe somewhere. Every day is straight pride day, cuz you can be yourself and nobody cares. When you're gay, some people accept you--and the rest say you're a sinner, you're sick, you're going to hell, you're a freak... etc.

I think everyone, regardless of gender, age, ethnic background and sexual orientation should be proud of who they are.

But I do disagree with a straight pride rally. Straight couples can walk down the street and hold hands every day--but a gay couple? They get stared at, get rude comments shouted, and occasionally attacked. True enough, you find the occasional open-minded street to hold hands on, but there's always gonna be a homophobe somewhere. Every day is straight pride day, cuz you can be yourself and nobody cares. When you're gay, some people accept you--and the rest say you're a sinner, you're sick, you're going to hell, you're a freak... etc.


I agree with you 100%. Especially how you say "Every day is straight pride day, cuz you can be yourself and nobody cares" That's true, you can walk down the streey holding hands, and no one even bats an eyelid. If two guys walked hand in hand down the street, imagine the shit they would get!
I went through all that at school-the girls with boyfriends would practically have sex in the hallways...and the kids who were showing signs of coming out were ridiculed, and no one did anything about it.

Why have a straight rally when it will invite trouble? Why have one anyway? Are people going to think you can't be proud to be straight?
I think people have a problem believing that gays can be happy, that's why they need gay rallys every now and again, to let people know that they are happy, because isn't happiness the most important thing?

I agree with you 100%. Especially how you say "Every day is straight pride day, cuz you can be yourself and nobody cares" That's true, you can walk down the streey holding hands, and no one even bats an eyelid. If two guys walked hand in hand down the street, imagine the shit they would get!
I went through all that at school-the girls with boyfriends would practically have sex in the hallways...and the kids who were showing signs of coming out were ridiculed, and no one did anything about it.

Why have a straight rally when it will invite trouble? Why have one anyway? Are people going to think you can't be proud to be straight?
I think people have a problem believing that gays can be happy, that's why they need gay rallys every now and again, to let people know that they are happy, because isn't happiness the most important thing?


people need my mother. when i "came out" she said "whatever" and didnt really care. :) shes even cool enough to drive me and my gf out. but she is a little *to* accepting when she somtimes asks two str8 kids if thier dating.

we have a lgbt fair here every year, and the great thing about it is that it encourages everybody to come and get involved, be you gay/ straight/ old/ young, its a weekend where people can hang out together and have a great time, regardless of who they are.
what i dont understand was the point of the straight parade? were you actually campaigning for anything? did you feel wronged by the fact that you can get married? have kids? and not grow up trying to hide who you are? no? then stop. its no wonder you offended people, i get offended by idiots like you also

edited by DhammaSeeker to eliminate a double post; double posting = bad

dammit, after cooling off i realised i should prob clarify my earlier post.
the glbt fait here is the only time an eyelash is not batted to same sex couples going about, and what id like to highlight is that in a way its a human pride fair, everyone enjoys themselves. i realise the organisers of the straight pride parade prob thought themselves being witty and funny, and didnt mean to cause offense, but these things happen, unfortunately there is still so much discrimination in the world, that any slight comment can be taken in the wrong way. as for the whole white pride parade, sounds like a meet of the british national party

dammit, after cooling off i realised i should prob clarify my earlier post.
the glbt fait here is the only time an eyelash is not batted to same sex couples going about, and what id like to highlight is that in a way its a human pride fair, everyone enjoys themselves. i realise the organisers of the straight pride parade prob thought themselves being witty and funny, and didnt mean to cause offense, but these things happen, unfortunately there is still so much discrimination in the world, that any slight comment can be taken in the wrong way. as for the whole white pride parade, sounds like a meet of the british national party

dammit, after cooling off i realised i should prob clarify my earlier post.
the glbt fait here is the only time an eyelash is not batted to same sex couples going about, and what id like to highlight is that in a way its a human pride fair, everyone enjoys themselves. i realise the organisers of the straight pride parade prob thought themselves being witty and funny, and didnt mean to cause offense, but these things happen, unfortunately there is still so much discrimination in the world, that any slight comment can be taken in the wrong way. as for the whole white pride parade, sounds like a meet of the british national party
yeah......i'd have to agree with that statement.

its funny though.......because if it was a gay pride parade people would have said nothing and supported it.....

sometimes we can be overly politically correct

And so we encounter the reversed slurs all over again...

whats that supposed to mean?

Basically it means that in every situation where there is or has been a slur against a gender/race/culture/etc, after that slur is declared unlawful or immoral a slur against the "oppressor" always seems to result.

Example: The workplace was dominated by white men.
Now if you hire a white guy over, say, a black woman, the business is in serious danger of getting sued.
Qualifications of either candidate aside.

That is a reverse sexist/racist slur.

The same seems to be occuring now with sexuality.
Homosexuals were/are repressed, and now it's being turned around.
Not at a large scale yet, but it's starting.
It isn't cool to be just straight anymore, you get called a homophobe.

See the problem here?

(Note- A slur does not include an entire group of people, ever. it is just a generalized majority that can come to represent an entire group of people over those who disagree with the slur itself.)

i say ban all rallys ......lol.....

yeah i know it wont fix anything

What makes you so sure someone hasn't already tried? ;)

(see RNC protester arrests, total people confined = over 1,800)

people need my mother. when i "came out" she said "whatever" and didnt really care. :) shes even cool enough to drive me and my gf out. but she is a little *to* accepting when she somtimes asks two str8 kids if thier dating.


Your mother sounds better than mine! When I told my mum I was bi, as I was back then, she kept telling me I was confused, and I didn't know what I wanted. 6 years on, I am a lesbian, and happy. The signs are there, but whether my mum chooses to see them and accept is another story altogether.

Who the hell are The Majority trying to impress? :rolleyes: The only reason a group of white, anglo-saxon, protestant males would ever get together to celebrate themselves is to parody smaller groups who are trying to make a statement.

Or maybe they're doing it for the exact same reason that minority groups hold rallies. You know what they say about people who assume, right?

I think that it is fair that they held a rally, but what would be the point? I mean people who are straight don't have people going "You going to hell for being straight! :mad: ", so why do they need support? So though it should be allowed since this is America (assuming it happened in America) and as long as no violence is involved its legal, but I don't really see the point.

I think that it is fair that they held a rally, but what would be the point? I mean people who are straight don't have people going "You going to hell for being straight! :mad: ", so why do they need support? So though it should be allowed since this is America (assuming it happened in America) and as long as no violence is involved its legal, but I don't really see the point.


Exactly. There is no point to go and march down the street saying 'I'm straight and proud' Everyone knows you are proud of being straight, gay people are proud to be gay, just like everyone is proud of their sexuality. Gay people know that straight people are happy with who they are. gays just need to let straight people know that you can be happy if you are gay too.
They need to watch Tv Show that depict gays in a good light, then maybe they'll see that being gay isn't so bad after all.