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DeathByChocolate665
10-15-2003, 04:50 PM
do you believe in ghosts and spirits coming back to our dimension?or do you think that there is a logical explanation, and we use them as a scapegoat for things we can't explain?

Llywelyn
10-15-2003, 04:52 PM
Not coming back so much as never leaving.

EcLiPsE
10-15-2003, 04:53 PM
I completely believe in ghosts. But I believe they come back like that if they want to. They don't wander aimlessly forever. They come to earth for a short while and do whatever they need to do to feel complete and go on to where they were supposed to be after death. :?

Germ
10-15-2003, 05:36 PM
I believe in demons/fallen angels that are really good actors. Not ghosts.

Cyra
10-15-2003, 05:48 PM
I don't know...

I think I do...

A few days ago I was watching TV, and the TV was making these screeching noises...so I adjusted it, then I was watching Leno with a little gir's voice talking...it freaked me out...then a picture of a surprised woman came on screen. I adjusted the antenna some more, and it went back to Leno... :?

It's not that just experience that makes me believe there's some sort of supernatural being out there. After Leno was showing again, I flipped through some channels and didn't see anything dealing with what I had heard and saw befo...oh well.

There's always freaky things going on in this world that have no explanations...

Whenever I think of supernatural beings, for some reason, I think of Amityville and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre (whatever it's called)...even tho those wasn't ghosts, it's still freaky....

rockchic
10-15-2003, 06:08 PM
I beleive in ghosts, and spirits.

Ghosts: I have smelled them, felt their presence, (an icy, chilly feeling) and witnesses their deeds: my old apartment was haunted. My roommates and I got used to it, but it freaked some people out. The stereo in my room would cut off sometimes, being in the basement made you feel uneasy, doors would open and shut; we had a Halloween cute little witch on the wall last year that fell down twice, I guess it or they didn't like it? shrugs. The most chilling was one time my boyfriend woke up in a panic, swearing that someone had thrown cold water on him.

As for spirits, I really felt there was some family member's spirit comforting all of us; my mom, dad, brother and I in the car heading from the funeral to cemetary for my grandpa.

Feyith
10-15-2003, 06:12 PM
I believe in both. I'm a "scientist" yet I can't deny feeling them. Some things you just can't explain in a lab, you know?

pandiebeer
10-15-2003, 07:08 PM
I contradict myself in this area. I don't believe that there are ghosts (no logical reason for their existance) but I'm still afraid of them...just in case!

Syaria
10-15-2003, 07:49 PM
I used to laugh at people who made comments about ghosts and angels and other spirits, however once I moved into my new house about 6 years ago, I couldnt help but believe. Everynight around 11 o clock there is this huge chill that runs all through the house. My parents deny it but I know they too feel it! There are just certain places where you can sense the presence of something more than a cold breeze! SO yea!

Serepent
10-15-2003, 11:33 PM
http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/nov02/rockkid1.jpg

http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/nov02/rockkid2.jpg

this is probably the most disturbing ghost pic I've seen

Etherealvoiced1
10-16-2003, 12:10 AM
I have seen so many things I would like to think are possibly able to be explained away.
They can't though, not easily anyway.

Evil spirits are really something else because they go to awesome lengths to try and convince us they are angelic, and friendly.
It can take on the form of a child, a man, a woman, anything it wants to, and also has the ability to possess them and enter into inanimate objects.
They derive great pleasure when they are spoken to or spoken of.

Ghosts are harder for me to understand, but I have seen them too, so I know they exist but why they are stuck here is both sad and confusing to me.
I have seen 3 real apparitions I will refer to as ghosts rather than bored demons playing tricks.
The first was an old man who resembled an ancient sea captain,
he had eyes as cold as the sea itself. They bore right through me and I let out a blood- curdling scream. He was gone as quickly as he came.

The second was more angelic possibly, and came in balls of bright beautiful joyous light dancing on the walls of my bedroom.
It was as if 100 angels had gathered.
The light was spinning and radiating this amazing light everywhere.
The oddest part of the whole thing being my youngest sister who was 3 at the time came in and said there is Angels with candles all over your room.
She saw they were angels, I felt they could possibly be ,was not
sure.

The third involves a little girl who showed up shortly after we started playing the ouija.
She would sit on the dresser in my bedroom, swinging her feet
looking at me, it was crazy and she scared me bad.
Her dress was victorian and she had lace up boots and wore a bonnet, her hair had at one time been curled but was very tussled looking under the bonnet. She was very unhappy, it made me sad
I was the only one who could see her, they all felt her precence but only me and my littlest sister(children see things grown-ups cannot) actually saw her so vividly.

So I cannot deny the existance of supernatural things.
My poor, poor eyes have seen far too much *sighs*

rockchic
10-16-2003, 12:11 AM
http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/nov02/rockkid1.jpg

http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/nov02/rockkid2.jpg

this is probably the most disturbing ghost pic I've seen

Oh Wow!!!

Those are great...I mean crazy, but fascinating!
Where was that?

One of my professors has pictures of him and some friends from a hiking trip they took in the Rockies in Colorado. They built a small fire and were sitting at it, in two pictures there is a guy sitting right beside him! He was really shocked, a little freaked, but mostly thought it was cool. He showed them to our class.

Your pictures, the mask or whatever is over the face, that is disturbing. :?

Cyra
10-16-2003, 12:16 AM
:shock:

When I saw those two ghost pictures, I had chills going down my spine...or whatever...

Maybe I'm weird, or it's just me but...if someone held a gun to my head or something, my heart would beat a little faster than usual, and I'd be like, "Aw, damn...not again..."...but if I saw a ghost, my heart would be beating so fast that I'd be nearly dead :shock: and I would run like HELL...

Ghosts freak me out...the whole concept of supernatural beings interests me, but scares me at the same time.

If a guy broke into my house (successfully this time...), I would probably go into my room and lock it and go out the window...or if the situation was different somehow :? I would attack the guy.

But if I saw a ghost - I'd run as fast as I could to my car and drive FAR away from my house :shock:

And hey, I'm just being real. How many of you would stay around if you saw a ghost :rolleyes:

rockchic
10-16-2003, 12:18 AM
I have seen so many things I would like to think are possibly able to be explained away.
They can't though, not easily anyway.

Evil spirits are really something else because they go to awesome lengths to try and convince us they are angelic, and friendly.
It can take on the form of a child, a man, a woman, anything it wants to, and also has the ability to possess them and enter into inanimate objects.
They derive great pleasure when they are spoken to or spoken of.

Ghosts are harder for me to understand, but I have seen them too, so I know they exist but why they are stuck here is both sad and confusing to me.
I have seen 3 real apparitions I will refer to as ghosts rather than bored demons playing tricks.
The first was an old man who resembled an ancient sea captain,
he had eyes as cold as the sea itself. They bore right through me and I let out a blood- curdling scream. He was gone as quickly as he came.

The second was more angelic possibly, and came in balls of bright beautiful joyous light dancing on the walls of my bedroom.
It was as if 100 angels had gathered.
The light was spinning and radiating this amazing light everywhere.
The oddest part of the whole thing being my youngest sister who was 3 at the time came in and said there is Angels with candles all over your room.
She saw they were angels, I felt they could possibly be ,was not
sure.

The third involves a little girl who showed up shortly after we started playing the ouija.
She would sit on the dresser in my bedroom, swinging her feet
looking at me, it was crazy and she scared me bad.
Her dress was victorian and she had lace up boots and wore a bonnet, her hair had at one time been curled but was very tussled looking under the bonnet. She was very unhappy, it made me sad
I was the only one who could see her, they all felt her precence but only me and my littlest sister(children see things grown-ups cannot) actually saw her so vividly.

So I cannot deny the existance of supernatural things.
My poor, poor eyes have seen far too much *sighs*

I knew a guy who I beleive was possessed! Hardly anyone else beleives it is possible!

I worked with him, and he was part of a group of people I hung out with. He was really troubled, he used to do drugs, has had a rough life, anyway- he blamed god for his problems. He grew worse and worse- when he got frustrated about things and start to spout off, the first thing he would ALWAYS do was grab his head and shout "God d#$#&^." Every time. Does that sound like possession, you think?

Cyra
10-16-2003, 12:22 AM
I have seen so many things I would like to think are possibly able to be explained away.
They can't though, not easily anyway.

Evil spirits are really something else because they go to awesome lengths to try and convince us they are angelic, and friendly.
It can take on the form of a child, a man, a woman, anything it wants to, and also has the ability to possess them and enter into inanimate objects.
They derive great pleasure when they are spoken to or spoken of.

Ghosts are harder for me to understand, but I have seen them too, so I know they exist but why they are stuck here is both sad and confusing to me.
I have seen 3 real apparitions I will refer to as ghosts rather than bored demons playing tricks.
The first was an old man who resembled an ancient sea captain,
he had eyes as cold as the sea itself. They bore right through me and I let out a blood- curdling scream. He was gone as quickly as he came.

The second was more angelic possibly, and came in balls of bright beautiful joyous light dancing on the walls of my bedroom.
It was as if 100 angels had gathered.
The light was spinning and radiating this amazing light everywhere.
The oddest part of the whole thing being my youngest sister who was 3 at the time came in and said there is Angels with candles all over your room.
She saw they were angels, I felt they could possibly be ,was not
sure.

The third involves a little girl who showed up shortly after we started playing the ouija.
She would sit on the dresser in my bedroom, swinging her feet
looking at me, it was crazy and she scared me bad.
Her dress was victorian and she had lace up boots and wore a bonnet, her hair had at one time been curled but was very tussled looking under the bonnet. She was very unhappy, it made me sad
I was the only one who could see her, they all felt her precence but only me and my littlest sister(children see things grown-ups cannot) actually saw her so vividly.

So I cannot deny the existance of supernatural things.
My poor, poor eyes have seen far too much *sighs*

I knew a guy who I beleive was possessed! Hardly anyone else beleives it is possible!

I worked with him, and he was part of a group of people I hung out with. He was really troubled, he used to do drugs, has had a rough life, anyway- he blamed god for his problems. He grew worse and worse- when he got frustrated about things and start to spout off, the first thing he would ALWAYS do was grab his head and shout "God d#$#&^." Every time. Does that sound like possession, you think?

Whoa, I just read both of those...

Seeing ghosts that others can't see - reminds me of The Sixth Sense.

That movie was a bit disturbing...I didn't have nightmares, nor was I scared after seeing the movie, but during it I was just like.. :shock: :shock: :shock:

That does sound like possession. "Voices in the head"...I've never understood that, how peoples get voices telling them to do certain things or just screaming in the person's head...that's creepy right there.

rockchic
10-16-2003, 12:35 AM
I have seen so many things I would like to think are possibly able to be explained away.
They can't though, not easily anyway.

Evil spirits are really something else because they go to awesome lengths to try and convince us they are angelic, and friendly.
It can take on the form of a child, a man, a woman, anything it wants to, and also has the ability to possess them and enter into inanimate objects.
They derive great pleasure when they are spoken to or spoken of.

Ghosts are harder for me to understand, but I have seen them too, so I know they exist but why they are stuck here is both sad and confusing to me.
I have seen 3 real apparitions I will refer to as ghosts rather than bored demons playing tricks.
The first was an old man who resembled an ancient sea captain,
he had eyes as cold as the sea itself. They bore right through me and I let out a blood- curdling scream. He was gone as quickly as he came.

The second was more angelic possibly, and came in balls of bright beautiful joyous light dancing on the walls of my bedroom.
It was as if 100 angels had gathered.
The light was spinning and radiating this amazing light everywhere.
The oddest part of the whole thing being my youngest sister who was 3 at the time came in and said there is Angels with candles all over your room.
She saw they were angels, I felt they could possibly be ,was not
sure.

The third involves a little girl who showed up shortly after we started playing the ouija.
She would sit on the dresser in my bedroom, swinging her feet
looking at me, it was crazy and she scared me bad.
Her dress was victorian and she had lace up boots and wore a bonnet, her hair had at one time been curled but was very tussled looking under the bonnet. She was very unhappy, it made me sad
I was the only one who could see her, they all felt her precence but only me and my littlest sister(children see things grown-ups cannot) actually saw her so vividly.

So I cannot deny the existance of supernatural things.
My poor, poor eyes have seen far too much *sighs*

I knew a guy who I beleive was possessed! Hardly anyone else beleives it is possible!

I worked with him, and he was part of a group of people I hung out with. He was really troubled, he used to do drugs, has had a rough life, anyway- he blamed god for his problems. He grew worse and worse- when he got frustrated about things and start to spout off, the first thing he would ALWAYS do was grab his head and shout "God d#$#&^." Every time. Does that sound like possession, you think?

Whoa, I just read both of those...

Seeing ghosts that others can't see - reminds me of The Sixth Sense.

That movie was a bit disturbing...I didn't have nightmares, nor was I scared after seeing the movie, but during it I was just like.. :shock: :shock: :shock:

That does sound like possession. "Voices in the head"...I've never understood that, how peoples get voices telling them to do certain things or just screaming in the person's head...that's creepy right there.

I know what you mean. Ghosts don't freak me out, but I never thought of evil ones or demons posing as friendly. Stupid on my part really, that makes perfect sense- they would be all about deception.

I really would like to know, if he is possessed. How can you drive it out? There are several references in the Bible about possession, and how Jesus drove the demons out of some people. I just don't know for sure how to recognize it.

I didn't used to beleive in the ouija board thing. A guy I knew Randy talked about it, and said once you got one for yourself, you can never get rid of it; try as you may. He said you could give it away and it would come back, you could destroy it, and it would come back to you in-tact. I didn't beleive him though. The post above made me think about it some more. I had never heard of anyone drawing the presence of a spirit they could see through using one. Freaky stuff.

Cyra
10-16-2003, 12:52 AM
Ohh Oujia...I remember that.

I saw some stuff on TV...people playing that game, trying to get a spirit to come to the room or something :?

I think that was on the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air...oh yeah, it was Hilary's dead boyfriend...or, well, ex.

I never really thought about what Ouija was - I never even knew what it was until I read about it in some article I think. Creepy...

It really amazes me how there is so much stuff that we don't know...but somewhere, there's a group of peoples, like the FBI, that knows all about this stuff.

My English teacher mentioned last week I think, something about when she was in the military, there was an Area 51 thing...but she stopped talking about it there :? and said, "Oops...I don't think I should've said that." She had a serious face too. I believe there's an Area 51 type area somewhere (Independence Day :rolleyes: )...you know, all that stuff, like the X-Files, Men In Black, etc....they might know where ghosts appear and how they do, etc....sooo ...freaky.

rockchic
10-16-2003, 12:58 AM
Ohh Oujia...I remember that.

I saw some stuff on TV...people playing that game, trying to get a spirit to come to the room or something :?

I think that was on the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air...oh yeah, it was Hilary's dead boyfriend...or, well, ex.

I never really thought about what Ouija was - I never even knew what it was until I read about it in some article I think. Creepy...

It really amazes me how there is so much stuff that we don't know...but somewhere, there's a group of peoples, like the FBI, that knows all about this stuff.

My English teacher mentioned last week I think, something about when she was in the military, there was an Area 51 thing...but she stopped talking about it there :? and said, "Oops...I don't think I should've said that." She had a serious face too. I believe there's an Area 51 type area somewhere (Independence Day :rolleyes: )...you know, all that stuff, like the X-Files, Men In Black, etc....they might know where ghosts appear and how they do, etc....sooo ...freaky.

There is an area 51 somewhere, true. The one in Independence Day was actually fake (you probably knew that, sorry) for security reasons, but I am pretty sure there is one some where.

We could start a thread about people's theories of government cover operations. Like do you beleive in UFOS? The Roswell, NM incident, was that some huge cover operation? I wont hi-jack this thread anymore to talk about that, but it's interesting to me.

Serepent
10-16-2003, 01:01 AM
don't aliens mutilate cattle for the blood, to give to whom the aliens worship :?

rockchic
10-16-2003, 01:03 AM
don't aliens mutilate cattle for the blood, to give to whom the aliens worship :?

Hmm. I have never heard that.

Cyra
10-16-2003, 01:14 AM
don't aliens mutilate cattle for the blood, to give to whom the aliens worship :?

:?

Okay, see, there's too many things we don't know about that the government does know about...like...that?

How do those people LIVE? They're forced to study stuff every day, possibly for the rest of their lives. No love life I'm sure, not much of a life...(oh by the way, yes, I knew that Area 51 in Independence Day is fake :P )...those government peoples are probably very advanced in technology...something like what you see in MIB and Independence Day, those types of movies.

What interests me - DJ Mixmaster Mike - anyone remember him? (Invisibl Skratch Piklz, Beastie Boys)...once, he was scratching in an open arena, I think...while he was scratching, three lights appeared out of nowhere, like spotlights...then they disappeared. And no, this wasn't stadium lights. Actually, I think he was in a football field :? I don't remember, but it was some area like that...

Something like that. So...turntables could be used as a form of communication, with the many ways you can make noises by scratching...the whole frequency thing...creepy stuff.

Yeah, this is going off-topic too, "hi-jacking," so I'll stop here.

Etherealvoiced1
10-16-2003, 01:17 AM
I have seen so many things I would like to think are possibly able to be explained away.
They can't though, not easily anyway.

Evil spirits are really something else because they go to awesome lengths to try and convince us they are angelic, and friendly.
It can take on the form of a child, a man, a woman, anything it wants to, and also has the ability to possess them and enter into inanimate objects.
They derive great pleasure when they are spoken to or spoken of.

Ghosts are harder for me to understand, but I have seen them too, so I know they exist but why they are stuck here is both sad and confusing to me.
I have seen 3 real apparitions I will refer to as ghosts rather than bored demons playing tricks.
The first was an old man who resembled an ancient sea captain,
he had eyes as cold as the sea itself. They bore right through me and I let out a blood- curdling scream. He was gone as quickly as he came.

The second was more angelic possibly, and came in balls of bright beautiful joyous light dancing on the walls of my bedroom.
It was as if 100 angels had gathered.
The light was spinning and radiating this amazing light everywhere.
The oddest part of the whole thing being my youngest sister who was 3 at the time came in and said there is Angels with candles all over your room.
She saw they were angels, I felt they could possibly be ,was not
sure.

The third involves a little girl who showed up shortly after we started playing the ouija.
She would sit on the dresser in my bedroom, swinging her feet
looking at me, it was crazy and she scared me bad.
Her dress was victorian and she had lace up boots and wore a bonnet, her hair had at one time been curled but was very tussled looking under the bonnet. She was very unhappy, it made me sad
I was the only one who could see her, they all felt her precence but only me and my littlest sister(children see things grown-ups cannot) actually saw her so vividly.

So I cannot deny the existance of supernatural things.
My poor, poor eyes have seen far too much *sighs*

I knew a guy who I beleive was possessed! Hardly anyone else beleives it is possible!

I worked with him, and he was part of a group of people I hung out with. He was really troubled, he used to do drugs, has had a rough life, anyway- he blamed god for his problems. He grew worse and worse- when he got frustrated about things and start to spout off, the first thing he would ALWAYS do was grab his head and shout "God d#$#&^." Every time. Does that sound like possession, you think?

Whoa, I just read both of those...

Seeing ghosts that others can't see - reminds me of The Sixth Sense.

That movie was a bit disturbing...I didn't have nightmares, nor was I scared after seeing the movie, but during it I was just like.. :shock: :shock: :shock:

That does sound like possession. "Voices in the head"...I've never understood that, how peoples get voices telling them to do certain things or just screaming in the person's head...that's creepy right there.

I know what you mean. Ghosts don't freak me out, but I never thought of evil ones or demons posing as friendly. Stupid on my part really, that makes perfect sense- they would be all about deception.

I really would like to know, if he is possessed. How can you drive it out? There are several references in the Bible about possession, and how Jesus drove the demons out of some people. I just don't know for sure how to recognize it.

I didn't used to beleive in the ouija board thing. A guy I knew Randy talked about it, and said once you got one for yourself, you can never get rid of it; try as you may. He said you could give it away and it would come back, you could destroy it, and it would come back to you in-tact. I didn't beleive him though. The post above made me think about it some more. I had never heard of anyone drawing the presence of a spirit they could see through using one. Freaky stuff.

Possession is very real, it is mentioned several times in the Bible.
That person will require the help of someone who can perform an exorcism, there are several catholic priests and Episcopal who will perform it,

It is very frightening to be in the presence of someone possessed.
I have been and this person spoke latin and spanish while in the throws of an episode.
One minute they were totally fine, then a few minutes later the voice became deeoer and gruffer, the eyes almost white, so creepy, and the body movements very short and jerky, almost like a seizure, but spewing all kinds of garbage about there being no God and then all the stuff I never could understand.
Then you'd tell the person what happened and it was so awful for them to understand because they remembered none of it.
I would never have believed it unless I had seen it.

The problem with the ouija in my experience is the spirits become attached, they don't actually live in the board, that is just means of communication for them.
They decide they like their surroundings and all the spirits you have contacted decide to make themselves at home.
If you play that thing several times a day as was goin on with my friends you can accumulate alot of unwanted visitors.
In essence that is what happened to me.

I was not possessed but they did feed off our positive spiritual energy leaving us completely drained.
We were like limp pathetic rag dolls, listless, pale, and very attached to the spirit realm ourselves.
Stopping was probably alot like going off hard drugs cold turkey.
Plenty of nightmares, and visitations, and the pure desire to just want to keep talking with them even tho we knew we couldn't anymore.
Don't mess with that damn thing, please.
I have seen too, too ,much and I just want to be oblivious like so many others get to be. *cries*

Cyra
10-16-2003, 01:23 AM
:?

I think after reading this topic, I'm going to feel uncomfortable sleeping tonight, haha...I was walking around the house not long ago, and my body just had chills going through it.

Living in a nearly 40 year old house, with a history you don't know about, and about 3 acres of a field in the backyard...hmm :shock: with previous owners that specifically requested that the house not be sold to black peoples (when the house is right NEAR neighborhoods full of black peoples...)...who knows...(I didn't know about the racist owners till like 2 years ago, when my parents told me)

This shit is scary...I've never been in the prescence of a possessed person, nor do I want to.

It's funny...for me...I've had people chase me on the streets, trying to mug me, in broad daylight as well, peoples trying to get into my car, peoples trying to break into my house, nearly witnessing some robberies - none of this scares me much, cause I'm used to it.

But ghosts? The second I see one, if ever, I'm going to RUN for my fuckin life.

There's a major difference between physical violence with guns and using your arms and legs, than supernatural beings.

I am SOOO freaked out right now :?

rockchic
10-16-2003, 01:39 AM
Possession is very real, it is mentioned several times in the Bible.
That person will require the help of someone who can perform an exorcism, there are several catholic priests and Episcopal who will perform it,

It is very frightening to be in the presence of someone possessed.
I have been and this person spoke latin and spanish while in the throws of an episode.
One minute they were totally fine, then a few minutes later the voice became deeoer and gruffer, the eyes almost white, so creepy, and the body movements very short and jerky, almost like a seizure, but spewing all kinds of garbage about there being no God and then all the stuff I never could understand.
Then you'd tell the person what happened and it was so awful for them to understand because they remembered none of it.
I would never have believed it unless I had seen it.

The problem with the ouija in my experience is the spirits become attached, they don't actually live in the board, that is just means of communication for them.
They decide they like their surroundings and all the spirits you have contacted decide to make themselves at home.
If you play that thing several times a day as was goin on with my friends you can accumulate alot of unwanted visitors.
In essence that is what happened to me.

I was not possessed but they did feed off our positive spiritual energy leaving us completely drained.
We were like limp pathetic rag dolls, listless, pale, and very attached to the spirit realm ourselves.
Stopping was probably alot like going off hard drugs cold turkey.
Plenty of nightmares, and visitations, and the pure desire to just want to keep talking with them even tho we knew we couldn't anymore.
Don't mess with that damn thing, please.
I have seen too, too ,much and I just want to be oblivious like so many others get to be. *cries*[/quote]

Hey, I wish I could say no need to cry, but I guess I'm lucky enough not to have seen and felt all of that.

Do these spirits still bother you? Maybe you could get the help of a Catholic preist, or someone to drive them out.

I guess I will never touch an ouija. I didn't plan on it, the outside chance of it all being real scares me just enough to avoid it at all costs.

But maybe you really might want to look into that if they still bother you. I read somewhere- I think it was you saying you were christian- praying for them to leave you in peace would probably do it. I am a strong christian too, too bad I had to hit rock bottom to wake up to god who had been there for me all along. If you aren't a christian, I'm not knocking that- but I'll add you to my prayers regardless.

rockchic
10-16-2003, 01:44 AM
:?

I think after reading this topic, I'm going to feel uncomfortable sleeping tonight, haha...I was walking around the house not long ago, and my body just had chills going through it.

Living in a nearly 40 year old house, with a history you don't know about, and about 3 acres of a field in the backyard...hmm :shock: with previous owners that specifically requested that the house not be sold to black peoples (when the house is right NEAR neighborhoods full of black peoples...)...who knows...(I didn't know about the racist owners till like 2 years ago, when my parents told me)

This shit is scary...I've never been in the prescence of a possessed person, nor do I want to.

It's funny...for me...I've had people chase me on the streets, trying to mug me, in broad daylight as well, peoples trying to get into my car, peoples trying to break into my house, nearly witnessing some robberies - none of this scares me much, cause I'm used to it.

But ghosts? The second I see one, if ever, I'm going to RUN for my fuckin life.

There's a major difference between physical violence with guns and using your arms and legs, than supernatural beings.

I am SOOO freaked out right now :?

Hey, maybe the best thing you can do is not think about them or talk about them. Probably the more you open yourself, to it, the more succeptable sp? you are.

I'm thinking don't let your guard completely down though, especially when you are alone. But never the less, don't invite them in, please.

Cyra
10-16-2003, 01:51 AM
Why exactly is Ouija so dangerous?

If it's so dangerous, why was it released as a board game? or whatever.. :?

I just read some reviews at Amazon.com about it...some peoples said nothing happened to them, while many others say it ain't a toy and it's dangerous.

Guess I just answered my own question :? ...whoever made this game is fucked up...

Very disturbing...this is why I don't believe in religious stuff much. There's too much shit in this world that makes it hard to believe in religion - just my opinion. And I was a devoted Christian until sometime in middle school.

Why do ghosts haunt people? Why do spirits haunt people? (same thing I guess...)...I wonder if it's really like The Sixth Sense.

:shock:

Don't invite who in, spirits?

I do think it would be better if I stayed away from this topic, since I'm already pretty freaked out :? :shock: but I can't get this shit out of my head now :evil: and it sort of interests me.

I don't think I'm going to forget about this now...haha. I'm always alone by myself...most of the time...damn.

Etherealvoiced1
10-16-2003, 01:54 AM
Possession is very real, it is mentioned several times in the Bible.
That person will require the help of someone who can perform an exorcism, there are several catholic priests and Episcopal who will perform it,

It is very frightening to be in the presence of someone possessed.
I have been and this person spoke latin and spanish while in the throws of an episode.
One minute they were totally fine, then a few minutes later the voice became deeoer and gruffer, the eyes almost white, so creepy, and the body movements very short and jerky, almost like a seizure, but spewing all kinds of garbage about there being no God and then all the stuff I never could understand.
Then you'd tell the person what happened and it was so awful for them to understand because they remembered none of it.
I would never have believed it unless I had seen it.

The problem with the ouija in my experience is the spirits become attached, they don't actually live in the board, that is just means of communication for them.
They decide they like their surroundings and all the spirits you have contacted decide to make themselves at home.
If you play that thing several times a day as was goin on with my friends you can accumulate alot of unwanted visitors.
In essence that is what happened to me.

I was not possessed but they did feed off our positive spiritual energy leaving us completely drained.
We were like limp pathetic rag dolls, listless, pale, and very attached to the spirit realm ourselves.
Stopping was probably alot like going off hard drugs cold turkey.
Plenty of nightmares, and visitations, and the pure desire to just want to keep talking with them even tho we knew we couldn't anymore.
Don't mess with that damn thing, please.
I have seen too, too ,much and I just want to be oblivious like so many others get to be. *cries*

Hey, I wish I could say no need to cry, but I guess I'm lucky enough not to have seen and felt all of that.

Do these spirits still bother you? Maybe you could get the help of a Catholic preist, or someone to drive them out.

I guess I will never touch an ouija. I didn't plan on it, the outside chance of it all being real scares me just enough to avoid it at all costs.

But maybe you really might want to look into that if they still bother you. I read somewhere- I think it was you saying you were christian- praying for them to leave you in peace would probably do it. I am a strong christian too, too bad I had to hit rock bottom to wake up to god who had been there for me all along. If you aren't a christian, I'm not knocking that- but I'll add you to my prayers regardless.[/quote]
I am Christian, and I appreciate your offer very much. I pray everyday.
I didn't have trouble with these things again until after
my NDE.
Prayer keeps me safe tho, if you are curious about my NDE read more about it in the Past Lives thread I started.
It was weird being so honest about it, but it happened and if
there were a really good scientific explanantion as to why I might
believe it.

rockchic
10-16-2003, 01:57 AM
Why exactly is Ouija so dangerous?

If it's so dangerous, why was it released as a board game? or whatever.. :?

I just read some reviews at Amazon.com about it...some peoples said nothing happened to them, while many others say it ain't a toy and it's dangerous.

Guess I just answered my own question :? ...whoever made this game is fucked up...

Very disturbing...this is why I don't believe in religious stuff much. There's too much shit in this world that makes it hard to believe in religion - just my opinion. And I was a devoted Christian until sometime in middle school.

Why do ghosts haunt people? Why do spirits haunt people? (same thing I guess...)...I wonder if it's really like The Sixth Sense.

:shock:

Don't invite who in, spirits?

I do think it would be better if I stayed away from this topic, since I'm already pretty freaked out :? :shock: but I can't get this shit out of my head now :evil: and it sort of interests me.

I don't think I'm going to forget about this now...haha. I'm always alone by myself...most of the time...damn.

Oh wow, I don't know what to tell you. Sorry, I wouldn't say I am an authority on the subject.

Yeah, I meant don't invite spirits of any kind. I guess that's good advice, since you never know what might happen, and what(who) might show.

Do you beleive in god?

update- I checked out your Heaven/Hell answer- so you have questions about god. Ok. I'll just add you to my prayers as well, regardless of whether you beleive it will do any good. I beleive very strongly that it will. Goodnight, I am leaving, I have masses of work to do.

Cyra
10-16-2003, 02:04 AM
How do you "invite" spirits in? I'm not familiar with this stuff.

I'm not sure if I believe in God. Sometimes I wish I could, but I don't think I really do...

Llywelyn
10-16-2003, 02:09 AM
As to Ouija boards.

The short answer is that when you summon or channel a spirit you exert various levels of control. With Ouija, however, you launch all of the more practical forms of protection out of the window and don't even get a say over what comes to call--be it angel or demon, ghost or vampire. That is why they are dangerous--they lack any resemblance of control.

If you want to summon a Spirit for a conversation you are picky and throw up layers of protections--the spirit is brought forth in a triangle while you remain in a threefold circle, you have an amulet with you inscribed with the seal of solomon, etc (your level of protection may vary with what you are doing, but you get the idea). With more mild forms of channeling you get a lot of control over the kind of spirit and the degree of contact.

Ouija boards, on the other hand, you can get something which is completely benign (in most cases you do, actually, from my understanding) but you can also come across something nasty.

Cyra:

How do you "invite" spirits in? I'm not familiar with this stuff.


You ask them, of course :P

Cyra
10-16-2003, 02:23 AM
You ask them, of course :P

Freaky stuff...(I think I've used the word "freaky" like a dozen times already in this topic)

Okay, I am never going to "ask" a spirit to come inside me or anything...kind of shuddering now :?

I never realized I was possibly paranoid? about ghosts and spirits.

rockchic - uh, thanks? I used to pray, but just gave up. Around high school is when I started to lose nearly all my faith in God. I talked with one of my cousins once, and cried to her (I was...11 or 12 at the time, I believe) about how the world is such a cruel place...I think she was 19 at the time, so she understood. So much stuff helped me to lose faith in high school. Innocent students being shot and murdered...a suicide by a student with a shotgun...a guy I knew who died in a car accident...so much bad luck in my life, etc.. :? it's so hard to continue believing sometimes...I guess.

phrantic24
10-17-2003, 01:18 AM
Ouija boards are not, in fact, only a game. I don't even know why they sell those things. They're dangerous.

My story:

About two years ago, my best friend(her name is Michelle) and I decided to go buy a ouija just to play around and all this weird shit started happening. The board(demons/spirits whatever) was cussing us out. We just laughed it off, then we started playing with the thing everyday. It became like this obsession w/ Michelle. Starting out we thought we were talking with a friend of mine who had recently passed away, but I do not believe that's true.

Anyway this is a very long story so I'll do my best to condense it/do it justice. I couldn't get the thing to move(I forget what its called, planchet or something) but Michelle could. (You know the rule that only a male and female are supposed to make it work.) So that was pretty weird. Ok how can I keep this short and it still be as creepy as it really was?

She started asking the 'thing' if it could move stuff she touched off the ouija and it could. It'd write and throw things. She started walking around very slowly and looking quite confused. Once she opened my fridge and scattered the cheese all over the floor, then went through my cabinets eating cereal. All the time saying to herself "Stop, no." It still hadn't registered on us at the time that she just might be possessed.

All this went on for at least a month. She said it was picking out her clothes and talking to her. Making bad grades on exams. Then one night it started talking through her and it even cried. It told me all kinds of disturbing things. I just don't like to remember.

She ended up getting TWO exorcisms. I wasn't there when they occured because I didn't know she was having them done, but she said that when they left her that they were very angry and she actually felt them hanging on.

Later after it was all over she told me that 'the voices' were telling her that I was evil and that I should be killed. All this nonsense. It's just really creepy to have that happen to someone you love so much at the time.

So I guess in answer to the question: yes, I believe there are supernatural beings and probably most of them disguise themselves as 'good'. I've never had an encounter with a ghost per se and I don't think I want to.

olenka
10-17-2003, 01:48 AM
i dont know if i should believe in ghosts... there are proofs but they can be lies whatever, ignore me

Sheep
10-17-2003, 02:13 AM
Couple things...

First up, can we quit with the quoting every word of every post before you? It just makes for lots of wasted space. Save everyone some scrolling, save bandwidth on the site, and just cut out the fat.

I didn't used to beleive in the ouija board thing. A guy I knew Randy talked about it, and said once you got one for yourself, you can never get rid of it; try as you may. He said you could give it away and it would come back, you could destroy it, and it would come back to you in-tact.

That's not true... unless the one we sold at that garage sale like 10 years ago is still stuck in Cleveland washing dishes to make enough money for bus fare back to us or something...


Finally... my ghost stories.

My friend Kristin who lives in Maryland has a VERY angry spirit living in her basement... they don't even use the basement because of it. You go down there and you can just feel this seething, hateful presence. The problem is, the water heater is down there. One time it broke and they called in a repairman, and he went down by himself to fix it. Ten minutes later, he was sprinting up the stairs SCREAMING and refused to go back down, even to get the tools he left. They had to call another place and keep their repairman company as he worked.

Also, I know it's prolly some kinda hoax or something, but my mom and my little brother and sister went to one of those haunted graveyards in New Orleans. They were warned that the spirits would not allow them to take pictures, but they brought cameras anyway. My little sister brought in a digital camera with a freshly charged battery. Not five minutes into the place, the camera went dead and couldn't be turned back on. My little brother thought he could get away with a Polaroid camera. They saw this weird light hovering over a gravestone in the distance. My brother snapped a shot and as the flim popped out, something shoved him HARD in the back, causing him to fall down, and the camera hit the ground and broke. And of course, there was nothing behind him when he looked. He never found the picture, either.

So yeah, I guess I have to believe. In SOMETHING, I'm not sure what yet.

Kaydee
10-17-2003, 07:21 AM
I so believe in spirits and ghosts... only bc i had a bad ouiji board experience.... AND back in '98 We had a hurrican hit ( Bonnie) and it was that night after my grandfather passed away... well we were getting rocked by the storm and Everyone around us lost power... EVERYHOUSE except ours... all the transformers had blown now how did our house keep power all that time??? IT WAS WEIRD that changed my opinion on the whole spirit thing~

EvnscntRainGoddess
11-19-2003, 04:46 PM
I have never had strange experiences in our house, but I do have a collection of pictures that are proof enough for me!!

http://photos8.msn.com/viewing/album.aspx?m7A!X9U3q6bynoZEhFj0U2UOER34fTK!kfrDA9m r9Jia1UpbOPQcUahR4IBeyEouvD9Zbu7uKsfdTTMoedNGcowfM AtaezgU7dzK54qWx5v02w8L42soKQ$$

In total, I have about 30 of these kind of pictures.......what do you think??

Gecko06
11-20-2003, 01:15 AM
Aliens, ghosts, possession? Come on kids it thought we were adults now and it was time to stop living at the bottom of the rabbit hole. And oh yes because the bible says so it must be true. Has anyone heard of schizophrenia, or dissociative identity disorder? Why would a ghost want to mess with you and your mundane silly little life anyway? Do you really think the aliens would do anything but gawk at us and our stupidity and keep as much distance between us and them as possible? Oh but yes you’ve felt it, you know it must be there, come now, I’ve dreamt of finding the perfect woman for me, felt the girl standing right there next to me holding my hand. It wasn’t real, none of it, not even in the slightest way, it was my mind messing with me, just as it is your mind messing with you. Read about the depth to which your subconciouse operates, the amount of data and variables and systems of thought it can keep track of. The control it has over your muscular and nervous systems, and tell me it couldn’t have just been all in your head. Oh but it was real, it was real, believe what you will, but fantasies are for books, reality is here and if we are ever going to amount to anything as a species we really need to get past our childhood. Don’t you think?

This is my opinion, I don’t really care if you think you’ve seen ghosts, that’s nice, I haven’t nor will I ever. I’m not saying your lying about it, I just think you are misleading yourself, that is all. I’ll be happy to debate this until the cows come home and I die. And no you are not stupid for believing in ghosts, you can’t help how you were raised, what you were exposed to and not exposed to, just think, it’s wholly possible this entire world is inside your head right? There is no ghost Neo.

Freddie

That70sBrandon
11-20-2003, 01:22 AM
Aliens, ghosts, possession? Come on kids it thought we were adults now and it was time to stop living at the bottom of the rabbit hole. And oh yes because the bible says so it must be true. Has anyone heard of schizophrenia, or dissociative identity disorder? Why would a ghost want to mess with you and your mundane silly little life anyway? Do you really think the aliens would do anything but gawk at us and our stupidity and keep as much distance between us and them as possible? Oh but yes you’ve felt it, you know it must be there, come now, I’ve dreamt of finding the perfect woman for me, felt the girl standing right there next to me holding my hand. It wasn’t real, none of it, not even in the slightest way, it was my mind messing with me, just as it is your mind messing with you. Read about the depth to which your subconciouse operates, the amount of data and variables and systems of thought it can keep track of. The control it has over your muscular and nervous systems, and tell me it couldn’t have just been all in your head. Oh but it was real, it was real, believe what you will, but fantasies are for books, reality is here and if we are ever going to amount to anything as a species we really need to get past our childhood. Don’t you think?

This is my opinion, I don’t really care if you think you’ve seen ghosts, that’s nice, I haven’t nor will I ever. I’m not saying your lying about it, I just think you are misleading yourself, that is all. I’ll be happy to debate this until the cows come home and I die. And no you are not stupid for believing in ghosts, you can’t help how you were raised, what you were exposed to and not exposed to, just think, it’s wholly possible this entire world is inside your head right? There is no ghost Neo.

Freddie

I am with him no alot of the points that he made. I do not believe in ghosts at all, but I do not totally deny the possibility of them existing.

EvnscntRainGoddess
11-20-2003, 10:38 AM
Aliens, ghosts, possession? Come on kids it thought we were adults now and it was time to stop living at the bottom of the rabbit hole. And oh yes because the bible says so it must be true. Has anyone heard of schizophrenia, or dissociative identity disorder? Why would a ghost want to mess with you and your mundane silly little life anyway? Do you really think the aliens would do anything but gawk at us and our stupidity and keep as much distance between us and them as possible? Oh but yes you’ve felt it, you know it must be there, come now, I’ve dreamt of finding the perfect woman for me, felt the girl standing right there next to me holding my hand. It wasn’t real, none of it, not even in the slightest way, it was my mind messing with me, just as it is your mind messing with you. Read about the depth to which your subconciouse operates, the amount of data and variables and systems of thought it can keep track of. The control it has over your muscular and nervous systems, and tell me it couldn’t have just been all in your head. Oh but it was real, it was real, believe what you will, but fantasies are for books, reality is here and if we are ever going to amount to anything as a species we really need to get past our childhood. Don’t you think?

This is my opinion, I don’t really care if you think you’ve seen ghosts, that’s nice, I haven’t nor will I ever. I’m not saying your lying about it, I just think you are misleading yourself, that is all. I’ll be happy to debate this until the cows come home and I die. And no you are not stupid for believing in ghosts, you can’t help how you were raised, what you were exposed to and not exposed to, just think, it’s wholly possible this entire world is inside your head right? There is no ghost Neo.


Ignorance is bliss....... why do you think you are so special to be the only creation God ever made?????

Freddie

broken
11-25-2003, 07:02 PM
..i believe in ghosts...
i'm catholic so it sorta disagrees with my religion but i DO believe there are ghosts...
i have a storyy :D
i look back at this now and laugh about it but one day i was at my grampap's house (it was built in 1900..so other people did live there) ..i was sitting in the kitchen eating a tv dinner watching some stupid kid show because i needed a good laugh...my brother was there too so i wasn't alone or anything...but i looked up at my brother and i saw this big white transparant blur in back of him and i saw it go around the table ..(it even went in back of me)....as soon as i saw it i felt chills go down my spine...i dropped my fork and sat there and stared in awe.....i was sssssssooooo freaked out...then my brother was sitting there saying..."danyelle..!..danyelle.! what's the matter with you???".................and still i sat there...........
then like last year i found out some lunatic(sp?) guy lived there before......my mom said he ended up at a funny farm............pretty freaky stuff...

DeathByChocolate665
11-25-2003, 08:13 PM
i fooled around with a ouiji board once...never again. all through the night, things were falling over, we heard people laughing, and things flew across the room. i ended up going to my friends house that night, because i was so afraid.

broken
11-25-2003, 08:14 PM
i fooled around with a ouiji board once...never again. all through the night, things were falling over, we heard people laughing, and things flew across the room. i ended up going to my friends house that night, because i was so afraid.

..OMG really?!?!?!...that's VERY scary!..i want one!
..did you really like make contact with spirits using it?

DeathByChocolate665
11-25-2003, 08:37 PM
i fooled around with a ouiji board once...never again. all through the night, things were falling over, we heard people laughing, and things flew across the room. i ended up going to my friends house that night, because i was so afraid.

..OMG really?!?!?!...that's VERY scary!..i want one!
..did you really like make contact with spirits using it?

yup.....i was at a sleepover party, and we had to go to someone else's house. i haven't slept over at ouiji girl's house since.

i think most of the things were physcological-things could have easily fallen over on their own-it didn't have to be all related to spirits. but yea, the laughter was soooo freaky. that did it for me. i wouldn't get one, if i were you....i'd be too tempted to use it.

broken
11-25-2003, 08:38 PM
hmm...that's pretty damn scary....like did it answer your questions? or what ever they are supposed to do?

noise
11-25-2003, 08:48 PM
I had an experince once with a ouiji board...I thought it was a load of crap and I thought my friends were pushing the glass around the board...until the glass started spinning around...seriously freaked me out....they are real.

broken
11-25-2003, 08:55 PM
i've heard many stories about ouiji boards....there's one my mom heard the scared the shit outta her...she said it's so scary it will NEVER leave her lips.....then she told my aunt :rolleyes: :D
and when she did my aunt fainted...
so it must be pretty scary story for my mom and my aunt to get scared like that (i've never seen them actually afraid of something like a ghost .,spirit,.anything supernatural..ect.)

inezsuen
11-30-2003, 09:55 PM
I've seen a Chinese Opera ghost when I was four.
I saw it at my home and actually I can't remember too much.
My mother said that when she was cooking at the kitchen, she heard me saying, 'hey mum, she's beautiful!' and she saw me pointing at something that she couldn't see. It lasted for about 15 minutes and my mum kept asking me whether 'she' had gone or not.

So, quite a horrible experience and I really believe that ghosts exist. My relatives had also seen 'their' ghosts during travel to Australia and Japan.

It's just horrible to believe that ghosts are wandering in our world and we can't see them. That's why most people do not believe the existance of ghosts. As some of them are afraid of ghosts...

As for spirits, I think they also exist but I am not quite sure what 'spirits' mean here...

Actually, it give rise to another interesting topic:
'Why are we afraid of ghosts?'
Should I post it as a new topic?

Head
12-01-2003, 01:13 PM
Can anyone guess what my position on this will be?

;)

I'm sorry I'm such a horrible old cynic. You'd swear I was weaned on a pickle... but I believe most sincerely that there is no limit to what people can talk themselves into. There are stories of Aboriginal Australians who have decided it was their time to die... and did. Your mind is an incredibly powerful thing.

Long and short of it is... if you want to see a ghost, or contact spirits... if you really believe it, then you will. Or at least you think you will... And that's good enough for most.

And what really exists beyond your own perception anyways?

DeathByChocolate665
12-04-2003, 03:57 PM
Can anyone guess what my position on this will be?

;)

I'm sorry I'm such a horrible old cynic. You'd swear I was weaned on a pickle... but I believe most sincerely that there is no limit to what people can talk themselves into. There are stories of Aboriginal Australians who have decided it was their time to die... and did. Your mind is an incredibly powerful thing.

Long and short of it is... if you want to see a ghost, or contact spirits... if you really believe it, then you will. Or at least you think you will... And that's good enough for most.

And what really exists beyond your own perception anyways?

that's true.....the mind is a very psychological thing, you know? :P

ImaginaryDemise
12-04-2003, 04:11 PM
I have never had strange experiences in our house, but I do have a collection of pictures that are proof enough for me!!

http://photos8.msn.com/viewing/album.aspx?m7A!X9U3q6bynoZEhFj0U2UOER34fTK!kfrDA9m r9Jia1UpbOPQcUahR4IBeyEouvD9Zbu7uKsfdTTMoedNGcowfM AtaezgU7dzK54qWx5v02w8L42soKQ$$

In total, I have about 30 of these kind of pictures.......what do you think??
I don't know anything about film... but couldn't something on the roll of film, or lighting cause those?

PossessedByTheSquirrels
12-04-2003, 06:14 PM
Hmm, I believe to them to some degree. I don't think I can believe anyone else's pictures, videos, or the stuff they put on TV. I could never trust any of that, especially with technology today, you can add stuff to the footage or whatever.

But my family has had more of a first hand experience. Not like seeing ghosts, or things moving in the house or anything...

My Great Grandpa (my mom's grandfather who she was quite close with) who lives in Japan was in the hospital for awhile about 3 years ago. And my mom woke up one night, screaming. She just screamed. She's never actually screamed or anything during her sleep, so it's never happened to her before.

The next morning my mom called her relatives in Japan.

Her grandfather had passed away, and it was around the same time she had woken up screaming. She said her Grandfather was in her dream.

but I believe most sincerely that there is no limit to what people can talk themselves into.

I believe in most cases, this is defianetly true. Like ouji boards, and people who say their house is haunted or something. In most of those cases I think it's probably just in their heads.

But my mom was sleeping, and she had no idea her grandfather would pass away that night, and the fact that she woke up screaming, at the same time her grandfather had just passed, is enough for me to believe in spirits or something after life. Plus, my mom has never really been a big believer in spirts/ghosts, untill this happened to her. I'm not sure I believe in ghosts, or haunted houses or anything, but I think that the idea of spirits, is possible.

And I do think it's hard for anyone to believe anyone else's story. I am ALWAYS skeptical about the TV shows about haunted hauses, and ghost sightings, because it's someone else's story, and I wasn't there so I have no idea if what they say is true.

I think you have to experience something yourself before you can believe it.

broken
12-04-2003, 06:29 PM
And I do think it's hard for anyone to believe anyone else's story. I am ALWAYS skeptical about the TV shows about haunted hauses, and ghost sightings, because it's someone else's story, and I wasn't there so I have no idea if what they say is true.

I think you have to experience something yourself before you can believe it.

yeah, and some people tend to exagerate.. :P

Tiff
12-06-2003, 06:51 PM
you know, you are closer to ghosts when your half asleep.

and restless minds attract ghosts. if you don't let people see all of your emotions, you bottle it all up inside. some people seem to think i have a ghost attached to me...i don't really know if i want that! but strange things have been happening reccently like things being moved, door locking themselfs, and i've been haviong really wried dreams...like the one about the shadow...where i couldn't breathe, felt cold winds and couldn't scream.

my gran once had a ghost in her house that would move her pictures around while she was asleep. she had a dolphin statue that she kept on her TV and the ghost would move it into the bathroom.

and my mums friend had a brand new house that had a poltergiest (sp?). it got so bad that they had to move. they later found out that the house had been built on a very powerful layline.


to be honest, i don't knowif theidea of ghosts is comforting or not. haunting because they scare you but comforting because they prove that there is more than this.

broken
12-06-2003, 07:29 PM
you know, you are closer to ghosts when your half asleep.

and restless minds attract ghosts. if you don't let people see all of your emotions, you bottle it all up inside. some people seem to think i have a ghost attached to me...i don't really know if i want that! but strange things have been happening reccently like things being moved, door locking themselfs, and i've been haviong really wried dreams...like the one about the shadow...where i couldn't breathe, felt cold winds and couldn't scream.

my gran once had a ghost in her house that would move her pictures around while she was asleep. she had a dolphin statue that she kept on her TV and the ghost would move it into the bathroom.

and my mums friend had a brand new house that had a poltergiest (sp?). it got so bad that they had to move. they later found out that the house had been built on a very powerful layline.


to be honest, i don't knowif theidea of ghosts is comforting or not. haunting because they scare you but comforting because they prove that there is more than this.

actually everything you just said is about poltergiests...because i read in a book that restless minds..depressed people and..troubled children..attract poltergiest...and ghosts can't move things, poltergiests can...i'm actually more afraid of poltergiests than ghosts....poletgiests are supposed to be mean forces... :P

Llywelyn
12-19-2003, 04:15 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/12/19/hampton.ghost.ap/index.html

DuctTapeMinion
12-20-2003, 07:45 PM
Yes I believe....I have to believe if I didn't I might kill myself out of boredom. :D I believe some stay for a reason.A violent end,they might have been waiting for someone or something,or they might not know their dead.My passion is to go ghost hunting and eve since I was a wee lass I was infatuated with ghosts and always stayed up past my bedtime to watch television programs that sacred the pants off me.

Tiff
12-21-2003, 12:15 PM
you know, you are closer to ghosts when your half asleep.

and restless minds attract ghosts. if you don't let people see all of your emotions, you bottle it all up inside. some people seem to think i have a ghost attached to me...i don't really know if i want that! but strange things have been happening reccently like things being moved, door locking themselfs, and i've been haviong really wried dreams...like the one about the shadow...where i couldn't breathe, felt cold winds and couldn't scream.

my gran once had a ghost in her house that would move her pictures around while she was asleep. she had a dolphin statue that she kept on her TV and the ghost would move it into the bathroom.

and my mums friend had a brand new house that had a poltergiest (sp?). it got so bad that they had to move. they later found out that the house had been built on a very powerful layline.


to be honest, i don't knowif theidea of ghosts is comforting or not. haunting because they scare you but comforting because they prove that there is more than this.

actually everything you just said is about poltergiests...because i read in a book that restless minds..depressed people and..troubled children..attract poltergiest...and ghosts can't move things, poltergiests can...i'm actually more afraid of poltergiests than ghosts....poletgiests are supposed to be mean forces... :P

mean forces? and my mum thinks i have a restless mind! :shock: shit! what if there is a poltergiust connected to me?!!!! ahhhhhhhhh!!!...

...actually last night i did wake up when something knocked all my sheet music on the floor....actually im probably just being paranoid



did i tell you about my brother speaking differnt languages in his sleep? whats that all about?

DhammaSeeker
12-21-2003, 07:34 PM
I read this article in the paper today. I thought it would be appropriate to post here.
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031219/capt.lon11012191426.britain_royal_ghost_lon110.jpg
U.K. Castle Cameras Catch Ghostly Visitor
Fri Dec 19, 1:51 PM ET

By JACK GARLAND, Associated Press Writer

LONDON - Are there ghostly goings-on at Henry VIII's palace, or is that hazy image of a fellow in fancy robes just a bit of Christmas cheer?

Closed-circuit security cameras at Hampton Court Palace, the huge Tudor castle outside London, seem to have snagged an ethereal visitor. Could it be a ghost?

"We're baffled too — it's not a joke, we haven't manufactured it," said Vikki Wood, a Hampton Court spokeswoman, when asked if the photo the palace released was a Christmas hoax. "We genuinely don't know who it is or what it is."

Wood said security guards had seen the figure in closed-circuit television footage after checking it to see who kept leaving open one of the palace's fire doors.

In the still photograph, the figure of a man in a robe-like garment is shown stepping from the shadowy doorway, one arm reaching out for the door handle.

The area around the man is somewhat blurred, and his face appears unnaturally white compared with his outstretched hand.

"It was incredibly spooky because the face just didn't look human," said James Faukes, one of the palace security guards.

"My first reaction was that someone was having a laugh, so I asked my colleagues to take a look. We spoke to our costumed guides, but they don't own a costume like that worn by the figure. It is actually quite unnerving," Faukes said.

The palace, built in 1525 on the River Thames 10 miles west of central London, is a popular tourist attraction and some of the guides wear costumes of the Tudor period.

Wood said she was hoping people would come forward with similar stories and try to explain the figure.

The palace has been the scene of many dramatic royal events, and already is supposed to have a few ghosts.

King Henry VIII's third wife, Jane Seymour, died there giving birth to a son, and her ghost is said to walk through one of the cobbled courtyards carrying a candle.

Her son, Edward, had a nurse called Sibell Penn who was buried in the palace grounds in 1562. In 1829 her tomb was disturbed by building work, and around the same time an odd whirring noise began to be heard in the southwest wing of the palace. When workmen traced the strange sounds to a brick wall, they uncovered a small forgotten room containing an old spinning wheel, just like the one Penn used to use.

Henry's fifth wife, Catherine Howard, condemned for adultery, was held at the palace under house arrest before her execution at the Tower of London. An 1897 book about the palace says she was reportedly seen, dressed in white and floating down one of the galleries uttering unearthly shrieks.

The palace was once a prison for King Charles I, who later was beheaded, and then home to his nemesis Oliver Cromwell, who briefly ruled when Britain was for a short time a republic.

Source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031219/ap_on_re_eu/ghostly_goings_on_2

sariala
12-21-2003, 08:05 PM
I read this article in the paper today. I thought it would be appropriate to post here.

hehe - that's what Llywelyn just posted about, a few posts up.

Mystical Goddess
12-21-2003, 08:52 PM
I believe in ghosts.

That's all I can say really, is that I believe, but I've never actually seen one.

Avarice_Riot
12-22-2003, 07:46 AM
do you believe in ghosts and spirits coming back to our dimension?or do you think that there is a logical explanation, and we use them as a scapegoat for things we can't explain?


Actually, I think that there unknown beings in our dimension, far more than we can possibly put our fingers on, and that we use "logical" explanations as a scapegoat for the stuff we can't explain. I guess people think it's easier to deny something and pretend it doesn't exist when they can't find an explanation for it.

This is a pretty good site for those who want to be updated with the latest paranormal news and info. There's also a section where people can submit photos of unexplained stuff.

http://paranormal.about.com/library/blnews.htm

Point_of_Origin
12-22-2003, 01:54 PM
I do believe in ghosts and spirits, I've always done.

DhammaSeeker
12-22-2003, 02:12 PM
I read this article in the paper today. I thought it would be appropriate to post here.

hehe - that's what Llywelyn just posted about, a few posts up.

*feels like a dumbass*
...buy, hey, at least I linked in the cool picture, right?

jadeakira
01-06-2004, 01:05 PM
Ghosts and Spirits don't exist, IMHO anyways. They can't exist because our "souls" don't leave us when we die, so how can there be ghosts or spirits? I mean real ones?

However I do believe people see them and have had experiences with them...I think "something" controls those things though...not a good influence controlling them.

People who don't believe in them don't see them, people who do believe in them do see them...if they really existed why don't the people who don't believe in them see them?

Serepent
01-06-2004, 08:51 PM
If you need glasses and you see a ghost without them, would it appear blurry?

Wicked Pixxie
01-07-2004, 08:29 PM
Well, in the bible it states that there are no ghosts, only evil spirits. (At least that's what I was told by my bible school teacher a few years ago.) But I remember when I was 11, we had moved into this new house and I awoke in the middle of the night and I seen this person standing in my bedroom, leaning up against the wall only he had no hands or no head but he was wearing a hat and a suit, I remember the hat because it had an orange band around it. I got really spooked and tried to go back to sleep but I couldn't. The next morning I told my mom about it. Of course she assumed I had a nightmare or "my eyes were playing tricks on me" It was about a week later when she felt someone grab her arm when she was getting into bed. She got really freaked, and asked the owner if any one had ever died in that house and it turns out the owner's brother had passed away in one of the bedrooms. I was really scared when I told my land lord about the man I seen in my room and she said "Oh my God, that is what Frank was buried in" Scaryyyyyy!!! :shock: Needless to say we moved from there as soon as we could.

broken
01-07-2004, 09:14 PM
Well, in the bible it states that there are no ghosts, only evil spirits. (At least that's what I was told by my bible school teacher a few years ago.) But I remember when I was 11, we had moved into this new house and I awoke in the middle of the night and I seen this person standing in my bedroom, leaning up against the wall only he had no hands or no head but he was wearing a hat and a suit, I remember the hat because it had an orange band around it. I got really spooked and tried to go back to sleep but I couldn't. The next morning I told my mom about it. Of course she assumed I had a nightmare or "my eyes were playing tricks on me" It was about a week later when she felt someone grab her arm when she was getting into bed. She got really freaked, and asked the owner if any one had ever died in that house and it turns out the owner's brother had passed away in one of the bedrooms. I was really scared when I told my land lord about the man I seen in my room and she said "Oh my God, that is what Frank was buried in" Scaryyyyyy!!! :shock: Needless to say we moved from there as soon as we could.

that is fucking freaky :shock:

Wicked Pixxie
01-07-2004, 09:48 PM
Yes it was and to this day I still get all freaked just thinking about it.

KaMmY
01-08-2004, 12:53 PM
color=#ff0091]I think there are spirts or people out there. I lived in a house that was biult over an indian horse grave yard and sometimes at night i would wake up and see horses running then they would disapear.and where i live now I was in the bath room one day bushing my hair and i had layed my brush down to do something else. and the brush flew off the counter in to the tub and sometimes our dining room with begin to smell like old colonge in which no ones uses in my house. and with all the people that are out there in which say they have seen many weird things i like they are right.[/color

DeathByChocolate665
01-08-2004, 04:29 PM
Ghosts and Spirits don't exist, IMHO anyways. They can't exist because our "souls" don't leave us when we die, so how can there be ghosts or spirits? I mean real ones?

However I do believe people see them and have had experiences with them...I think "something" controls those things though...not a good influence controlling them.

People who don't believe in them don't see them, people who do believe in them do see them...if they really existed why don't the people who don't believe in them see them?

explain what you mean by "our souls don't leave us when we die". or as enthashyt would've said it: prove it.

jadeakira
01-08-2004, 05:23 PM
Ghosts and Spirits don't exist, IMHO anyways. They can't exist because our "souls" don't leave us when we die, so how can there be ghosts or spirits? I mean real ones?

However I do believe people see them and have had experiences with them...I think "something" controls those things though...not a good influence controlling them.

People who don't believe in them don't see them, people who do believe in them do see them...if they really existed why don't the people who don't believe in them see them?

explain what you mean by "our souls don't leave us when we die". or as enthashyt would've said it: prove it.

Okay, how to explain what I mean without confusing myself, never mind confusing other people...

Basically, I don't think people's souls are a separate entity from our physically self. And, when we do die, we've left this world but our "souls" ar simple "sleeping" before the second coming. So, if our souls are sleeping they can't be off contacting loved ones or terrorising people in haunted houses.

Did that make any sense at all? Probably not, but then I've always been the weird one. :)

FunkyChicken
01-09-2004, 12:12 AM
It's actually been observed by some powerful clairvoyants that the souls pulls itself from the body when the body dies. The soul however moves on.

DeathByChocolate665
01-11-2004, 09:32 AM
It's actually been observed by some powerful clairvoyants that the souls pulls itself from the body when the body dies. The soul however moves on.

well, how can they see that?

Cyra
01-11-2004, 11:59 AM
Yesterday, someone sent me a picture of this dude with a ghost next to him. When the picture was taken he screamed and fainted, died 2 days later. I don't believe it since the ghost looks somewhat fake but it's scary nonetheless.

It haunted me last night.

....

Well, I was freaked out. When I went to sleep, an airplane was flying above my house. As I was falling asleep, you know those bell sounds in the airplanes? I heard one loud in my head :? :shock: not ears, head. And my left ear was ringing afterwards. That freaked me out.

Scary shit...odd how having a gun pointed at me won't scare me too much but ghosts... :shock:

DeathByChocolate665
01-11-2004, 02:05 PM
Yesterday, someone sent me a picture of this dude with a ghost next to him. When the picture was taken he screamed and fainted, died 2 days later. I don't believe it since the ghost looks somewhat fake but it's scary nonetheless.

It haunted me last night.

....

Well, I was freaked out. When I went to sleep, an airplane was flying above my house. As I was falling asleep, you know those bell sounds in the airplanes? I heard one loud in my head :? :shock: not ears, head. And my left ear was ringing afterwards. That freaked me out.

Scary shit...odd how having a gun pointed at me won't scare me too much but ghosts... :shock:

WHOA!!!!!! FREAKAH!!!!!!

did you actually see the ghost???

KaMmY
01-11-2004, 10:05 PM
I want to be one of them people who go and look for ghost..!!!... we have this hotel about 20 mins from here in Grand island and there is supposly this gurl that romes the halls and the room where she was killed there.... that would so amazing!@ :o

That70sBrandon
01-11-2004, 10:36 PM
How is it ghosts don't fall through 2nd story floors? or the entire world for that matter? Not that I believe in ghosts...

KaMmY
01-11-2004, 10:59 PM
How is it ghosts don't fall through 2nd story floors? or the entire world for that matter? Not that I believe in ghosts...


well now that is something to think about now! the can go threw anything... but why not fall threw the floor.. oh boy.. now i am gonna take the time to think about this! :D

Sweet_angel
01-12-2004, 12:32 AM
ghosts are spirits they are all around us there is no need to be scared of them they are just here and won't harm u if you don't harm them.

MutantQuasar
01-12-2004, 09:24 AM
How can you harm something that is dead?

FunkyChicken
01-13-2004, 02:45 PM
It's actually been observed by some powerful clairvoyants that the souls pulls itself from the body when the body dies. The soul however moves on.

well, how can they see that?

Just like there are natural healers, there are people that can naturally see subtle energies as well.

Sadness
01-18-2004, 12:10 PM
yeah..i believe in ghosts..i think they exist..http://www.rafa.at/0skull09.gif

Sadness
01-18-2004, 12:15 PM
http://www.castleofspirits.com/3dpicture.jpg
http://photos2.ghostweb.com/mccoy1.jpg
http://www.catanna.com/catjohnghost.jpg
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/images/brownlady.jpg

DeathByChocolate665
01-18-2004, 12:15 PM
ghosts are spirits they are all around us there is no need to be scared of them they are just here and won't harm u if you don't harm them.

well, there are lots of stories of "spontaneous violence" and no one (visible, that is) can be seen-basically, people get ripped apart and no one can be seen harming them. so some ghosts may be peaceful, trying to deliver a message to a loved one or just stopping by, and some may have come back solely for revenge.

broken
01-18-2004, 12:50 PM
http://www.castleofspirits.com/3dpicture.jpg
http://photos2.ghostweb.com/mccoy1.jpg
http://www.catanna.com/catjohnghost.jpg
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/images/brownlady.jpg

those are all fake..even the last one is..i've read an article about it..

Sadness
01-18-2004, 12:59 PM
yeah..i know..you cant take a picture from a ghost..but i think ghost exist..this pictures are just so funny..the last one is mistery..hehe

KaMmY
01-18-2004, 02:35 PM
I really think people can have pictures of ghost. 8)

broken
01-18-2004, 03:00 PM
yeah..i know..you cant take a picture from a ghost..but i think ghost exist..this pictures are just so funny..the last one is mistery..hehe

no it's fake too..i saw it before and there was an article about how people made it and then went around saying it was real..then the investigators found it was a fake..

How is it ghosts don't fall through 2nd story floors? or the entire world for that matter? Not that I believe in ghosts...

they float above the floor/ground :D

Cyra
01-19-2004, 01:32 AM
Thank you for scaring the shit out of me :rolleyes: (well, I didn't react, but I remember pictures very well and...oO damn)

Even if they are fake, they still are..disturbing.

About a week ago, thanks to fallenchiq who sent me a picture of a ghost with this story, I felt haunted the entire night :rolleyes: while she was going AHAHAHAHA XD anyways, one night afterwards, I heard doors creaking and stuff. We live in a brand new house, so that was...kind of disturbing. Shortly afterwards...that morning around 4:30 am, right after my moms had left for work, we had an attempted break-in (alarm went off). That...was weird :?

DeathByChocolate665
01-19-2004, 10:02 AM
Thank you for scaring the shit out of me :rolleyes: (well, I didn't react, but I remember pictures very well and...oO damn)

Even if they are fake, they still are..disturbing.

About a week ago, thanks to fallenchiq who sent me a picture of a ghost with this story, I felt haunted the entire night :rolleyes: while she was going AHAHAHAHA XD anyways, one night afterwards, I heard doors creaking and stuff. We live in a brand new house, so that was...kind of disturbing. Shortly afterwards...that morning around 4:30 am, right after my moms had left for work, we had an attempted break-in (alarm went off). That...was weird :?

that is......freakah.

but then, the first part of it-hearing noises and all-could've been your imagination running away with you. you were already freaked, and you couldn't keep your mind off of it, so everything you saw and heard your mind connected to what you were afraid of.

i hate being so vivid.....seriously, whenever someone says something, i get picture in my head.....everything. sometimes, i'll hear noises and see certain colors....i'm just a very visual person, i guess. this one time, i was having nachos with my mom, and we had had to throw away the sour cream because my mom said that it "smelled like feet." just from that simple remark, i couldn't eat any more food, because i kept seeing myself eating feet. that's how vivid i am.

SteveDude
01-19-2004, 09:15 PM
I heard somewhere that some kinds of ghosts are photo sensitive. That means that you can't see them with the naked eye, but if you take a photo if a ghost, you will be able to see it on film.

Creepy. :shock: :vamp:

rockchic
01-20-2004, 09:32 PM
I heard somewhere that some kinds of ghosts are photo sensitive. That means that you can't see them with the naked eye, but if you take a photo if a ghost, you will be able to see it on film.

Creepy. :shock: :vamp:

That is true. I have seen photos where a ghost was sitting right beside my old professor while he was on a camping trip, they were all sitting around the fire at night. No one in the group saw any ghost(s) or felt any presences. But when they developed the photos and looked at them there was an undeniable shadow figure of a man (or woman?), sitting right beside him. He showed them to my class. I thought it was cool as hell!

MaPetite
02-04-2004, 06:22 PM
I believe in both. I'm a "scientist" yet I can't deny feeling them. Some things you just can't explain in a lab, you know?
Im on the fence, Ive felt weird things, Ive seen weird things, I can't explain them. It could just be my over active imagination, but then it could be what were talking about 'spirits or ghosts' who knows? I sure as hell don't. But id like to beleive that when the elevator opens without me pressing the buttons when Im late its my dad or grandfather watching out for me. And it almost happens every time. Its just odd.

kreisi_gurl
02-06-2004, 05:27 PM
I´m sure there´s something after life,but I don´t believe in ghosts or spirits.When we can´t explain something either we leave the subject or we invent things about it.

CharmedWiccan83
02-07-2004, 01:14 AM
when i was younger i never believed in ghosts and such.. but i do now. i've actually had experiences that scared the pants off me, lol. my mom once got, possessed.. well not really possessed but she was seeing little demons and stuff, scared her to death. i have a ouija board.. and nope they're not toys.. hard to believe they sell them to anyone huh? most people wouldnt believe the things i could tell you.. once i had this knife fly at me at a place we used to live. so yes i believe in ghosts and spirits... lol.. hope ya'll dont laugh at what i've said.. i'm not kiddin

cassie9036
02-07-2004, 01:26 AM
I have a ouija board but I can't make mine work. I believe in ghosts and spirits. I've never seen one but there are so many people who claim to have that it's hard to doubt all of them.

CharmedWiccan83
02-07-2004, 01:31 AM
I've made my work once or twice by myself.. the others have been with friends and family. its harder to get them to work by yourself because it takes much more concentration.

risingconcern
02-07-2004, 03:18 AM
I've always been very agnostic to the subject. I suppose I would just like to know how, if they do exist, how exactly um... they do exist. I mean, in one explanation or another I can see the validity of it, and the ancedoctal evidence seems to coming in more as video and audio recording equipment becomes more sophisticated (considering that many claims of proof of ghosts/spirits have been repeatedly disproved).

Although, I'm still skeptical of the evidence, and I suppose it's for several reasons: firstly, why in the hell do they always wear clothes? :p A ghost-believing apologist once said maybe it's their consciousness retaining the appearance through sheer will (or something along those lines). I just sort of laughed at that, even though I got it it still seemed kind of wacky (even to him), and he couldn't explain that any better anyway. But seriously, that bugs me. How in the hell do these clothes always appear on these damn spirits?

Oh, and those darn "strange orbs of light" don't mean anything, and most of those particular photos are just caused by odd light or electromagnetic effects.

Also, what's with the different kinds of ghosts? You have your very undead looking ones, your very etheral cloudish looking ones, you have your common just plain pale looking ones, and of course you have your non-visible ones. Now, this just may be a problem in terms of the equipment that does the evidence-gathering, but still, it'd be nice to have some consistency. Although I suppose if they did exist then there's always the possibility of different looking ghost... one theorist thought that different ghosts live on different planes of frequencies, for example.

And, as I mentioned earlier, ultimately there would be the daunting task of such evidence and presenting it in a clear and concise matter. If ghosts did exist, I would think that such a theory would have to fit very well into modern scientific thought or be able to overthrow and replace it with a better one (i.e. the past century of physics). I always wondered if maybe there really was something empirical there, but it wasn't what we thought it was. As in, something that's still scientifically unknown, but just not what we originally guessed it was aka ghosts/spirits as we normally think of them, as if there is a "normal" way to think of them. I think part of the problem with stuff such as "Psi" and "Ghost" research is the lack of modern redefining.

Sidenote: I've been to a LOT of ghost sites through researcher's sites, paranormal sites, and abnormal/frightening imagery sites... and let me tell you, some of those videos and images I've seen... still creeping me out to this second. Ugh. *shivers*

P.S. As far as Ouija board stuff... well, I've never heard of any real research into the matter, but my intuition is telling me that most it feels like self-fulfilling prophecies more than anything. And besides, just because something might actually happen doesn't mean it is what we think it is.

Nori
02-07-2004, 07:22 PM
i like to believe that there are spirits and angels guiding us...because it is better than being all alone

HaUnTeDBeAuTY103
02-14-2004, 09:20 PM
ghosts and spirits do exist! i mean how many people have seen ghost? i do think that they come back to this dimension but i dont believe they come back because of unfinished buisness i think thats a load of crap haha ive been watching too many movies :)

jadeakira
02-17-2004, 03:27 PM
i do think that they come back to this dimension but i dont believe they come back because of unfinished buisness i think thats a load of crap haha ive been watching too many movies :)

If not for unfinished business, then why do you think they come back?

DhammaSeeker
02-17-2004, 04:02 PM
If not for unfinished business, then why do you think they come back? It could be for entertainment. ;)

SpiderWolve
02-17-2004, 05:33 PM
It could be for entertainment. ;)
I'd beleive that. Or they simply do not want to leave.

I know I've seen and heard ghosts. Especially here at this computer. I was coming down stairs to do something and was walking toward my room (which is by the compy) when I heard very fast typing on the keyboard. At first I thought it was my mom, but when I came around the corner the typing stopped dead. Nobody was there, screen was off, computer was off, chair was empty. It was not my mother who was doing the typing--gave me some chills I tell you ;)
As to the ghosts I've seen, I know I've seen deceased pets (dogs and cats) appear either walking or trotting alongside me or sitting next to me if only for a few seconds before they vanish.

jadeakira
02-17-2004, 11:18 PM
It could be for entertainment. ;)

LMAO! Well, I guess if you're dead, what better way to amuse yourself.

behindurfreezer
02-17-2004, 11:39 PM
http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/nov02/rockkid1.jpg

http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/nov02/rockkid2.jpg

this is probably the most disturbing ghost pic I've seen

ummmm all i see there is a little girl sitting down with a blurred up face?? sorry this is from the first page and im jus curious =D

Bloody_CrucifiX
02-17-2004, 11:50 PM
Greetings

Hello this is Immortal, doesn't look to me like a spirit, I have seen spirits. Looks like a totem pole. Spirits come when fear comes. what do you guys think?
Immortal

http://www.evanescence-net.tk

behindurfreezer
02-17-2004, 11:52 PM
wow that is so true lol "spirits come when fear comes" =D

jadeakira
02-17-2004, 11:58 PM
Greetings

Hello this is Immortal, doesn't look to me like a spirit, I have seen spirits. Looks like a totem pole. Spirits come when fear comes. what do you guys think?
Immortal

http://www.evanescence-net.tk

Interesting, you don't suppose we create them through our fears?

CharmedWiccan83
02-18-2004, 12:43 AM
Interesting, you don't suppose we create them through our fears?
i guess some of our fears COULD attract certain spirits, but i dont think thats the case all the time. how can we attract "good" spirits with our fears?

Llywelyn
02-18-2004, 12:57 AM
Lot's of ways that could happen.

Protective entities come to mind.

jadeakira
02-18-2004, 01:24 AM
i guess some of our fears COULD attract certain spirits, but i dont think thats the case all the time. how can we attract "good" spirits with our fears?

Well I guess I'm coming from the "I don't believe in ghost/spirits" side of the fence. :)

behindurfreezer
02-18-2004, 01:34 AM
well do u believe there is a "supernatural" force out there...?

Okpokalypse
02-18-2004, 02:16 AM
I don't know about true "supernatural forces" necessarily, but I wholeheartedly believe there's something more...

The scientist in me says we're made of energy, and energy cannot be destroyed. It can only change forms. Where does the energy that is our thoughts, emotions and desires go? Do we leave a lingering trace of something of ourselves imprinted on the world around us?

The part of me that's spiritual (not truly religious) is certain there's something more out there. I've felt the presence of my father time and time again when I'd been dealing with depressions and self-destruction. I wholly attribute the fact that I'm here today to his spirit reaching out to me from somewhere beyond when I needed it.

And lastly, and the most tangible...

Two summers ago, my to-be fiancee and I were at her Godson's confirmation. His granmother, my fiancee's great-aunt, had passed from cancer some time beforehand. He was her favorite of her grandchildren. We took a variety of pictures of the day and when we got them back - the images were startling. Throughout the pictures - not in all - but in some - was a 1' to 2' green/yellow/white helix of light starting at about 3' off the floor and moving upwards. Depending on the picture it was in different angles, different places, etc...

Sometimes it was there, sometimes it wasn't. There were no special lights used, and it was an afternoon indoor function. These pictures that contained the images ranged from the Church to the parking lot, to the hall where we had the family get-together. My fiancee and her mother, upon seeing them, greatly suspected it was something metaphysical.

I, being a skeptic, decided to run some tests. I bought 8 rolls of 36-exposure file. I went back to the reception hall and church and used at least two rolls in each. I then took 4 more rolls of random pictures and got them all developed. No sign of the phenomenon showed up.

I put in a new roll and just let it sit there... Took a picture or two of my fiancee and she of me, and we put it aside. A few weeks later we used it again because her cousin (The deceased grandmother's son) was having his twin babies baptised - at the same church. We used what remained on that roll and half of another roll at the event. Then blew the rest of the unused pics on crap around my place. When we got the pictures developed THE LIGHT WAS BACK - but only in the pictures where the twins were. The light hovering over the basin, between their heads. The light hovering next to the priest as he was holding a baby. Over the mother's shoulder as she held a baby.

I swear I've never been so freaked out, yet so amazed at the same time. I KNOW there was nothing wrong with the camera. And I went back there after the last time and used two rolls of film and nothing appeared out of the ordinary. Since then I've used the camera a lot - and nothing strange has ever happened again... Other than the occasional over-exposure from my own idiocy...

For me, that was what tipped the scales of my belief that there's something more... There's something beyond death where we're not of this world, and yet, not commited to the next... Someday I'll find out - but not too soon...

jadeakira
02-18-2004, 07:13 PM
well do u believe there is a "supernatural" force out there...?

Yes, it's called, God. ;)

I mean, hey, if you believe otherwise I don't care. I just don't believe in the whole ghosts and spirits as being real...I could explain that, but well, it would take me too long and it would become a very religious rant. :D

behindurfreezer
02-18-2004, 07:18 PM
lol completely off-topic ur link- williamhung lol hella funny she bangs

jadeakira
02-18-2004, 07:25 PM
"I have no professional training."

LMAFO! Really? We couldn't tell. He's hilarious!

axeslinger0u812
02-18-2004, 11:09 PM
ok, this is so totally a true story, and if you don't believe me, that's cool, but I know the truth. Back when I was in Hawaii, we moved to a house that used to be a drug house, and had several murders and suicides in it. Of course my parents failed to mention that to me, knowing how serious I took that kind of stuff. Most of the deaths had occured in the room downstairs, that was seperate from the house. Like a little apartment, but just a room, and a bathroom. Well, I was originally living upstairs, but you know, when you get older, you want your privacy. So I moved into the downstairs room. About a year after I did, I noticing the bathroom light go on by itself. I actually saw it turn on by itself. That freaked me out, so I generally avoided it, and took showers in the daytime. Then one night, I'm lying in bed with my eyes closed, when I open them and see this ball of...something...floating in the air. It looked like bundled up phone cords. I turned over, and tried to forget about it. The next night, I'm laying on my back, when the same thing...I open my eyes, and this time it's a ball, that's bouncing between me and the ceiling. Same thing, I turn over, and force myself asleep. The next night, it's a a ball with a rod through it. I figured that it was no big deal, because it wasm't really doing anything, so I decided to just live with it. The next night however, I opened my eyes, and saw the shape of someone, but all in light, and I was unable to distinguish any features. I tried to yell, but I couldn't breathe. It was like it was pushing down on my chest. I was paralyzed, and couldn't breathe, and the curtain was all up in the air, but the window was closed, and my dog was freaking out. Then it went away, and I ran to the light switch. The next day, I went out and ot a book on excorcism, and ridding an area of spirits. I did a little ritual, and didn't have a problem for another two years, before it happened again. I was paralyzed and couldn't breathe. That was the summer before I left for college, so I don't know if it's still going on, but I know my mom had some weird stuff happen in that house too, while my dad generally sleeps through anything. So yeah. I believe in ghosts and spirits.

FunkyChicken
02-21-2004, 02:03 AM
ok, this is so totally a true story, and if you don't believe me, that's cool, but I know the truth. Back when I was in Hawaii, we moved to a house that used to be a drug house, and had several murders and suicides in it. Of course my parents failed to mention that to me, knowing how serious I took that kind of stuff. Most of the deaths had occured in the room downstairs, that was seperate from the house. Like a little apartment, but just a room, and a bathroom. Well, I was originally living upstairs, but you know, when you get older, you want your privacy. So I moved into the downstairs room. About a year after I did, I noticing the bathroom light go on by itself. I actually saw it turn on by itself. That freaked me out, so I generally avoided it, and took showers in the daytime. Then one night, I'm lying in bed with my eyes closed, when I open them and see this ball of...something...floating in the air. It looked like bundled up phone cords. I turned over, and tried to forget about it. The next night, I'm laying on my back, when the same thing...I open my eyes, and this time it's a ball, that's bouncing between me and the ceiling. Same thing, I turn over, and force myself asleep. The next night, it's a a ball with a rod through it. I figured that it was no big deal, because it wasm't really doing anything, so I decided to just live with it. The next night however, I opened my eyes, and saw the shape of someone, but all in light, and I was unable to distinguish any features. I tried to yell, but I couldn't breathe. It was like it was pushing down on my chest. I was paralyzed, and couldn't breathe, and the curtain was all up in the air, but the window was closed, and my dog was freaking out. Then it went away, and I ran to the light switch. The next day, I went out and ot a book on excorcism, and ridding an area of spirits. I did a little ritual, and didn't have a problem for another two years, before it happened again. I was paralyzed and couldn't breathe. That was the summer before I left for college, so I don't know if it's still going on, but I know my mom had some weird stuff happen in that house too, while my dad generally sleeps through anything. So yeah. I believe in ghosts and spirits.

OMG! You experienced a "sitting" ghost. My family would talk about them (as they are from Hawaii). One of the houses down the street was haunted with one.

axeslinger0u812
02-23-2004, 05:55 PM
yeah, it was pretty terrifying! I'm glad I haven't had any problems over in Washington so far. I was telling people over here, and my friend, who is also from Hawaii had it happen to her too, and no one believed us. I guess certain places have just experienced more turmoil than others... :confused:

~*FallenAngel*~
05-18-2004, 09:00 AM
I may be christian, but I most definately believe!

Carly
05-18-2004, 09:07 AM
i dont belive in ghosts and spirits..i dont think i ever have actually :P

pacer
05-19-2004, 09:15 AM
i have stayed in a haunted house rented out by my sister-inlaw.an old man
appeared to my niece and grinned at her.she was 13 at the time.the land
lady said from what she described it had to be her late husband.also there
was knocking from the attic all hours of the day.you could go look but nothing would be there.one morning while eating breakfeast a fan that was
running on the counter unplugged itself and flew across the room.it just missed hitting my father-inlaw in the head.i would have never believed this
had i not seen it with my own eyes.
but i don't believe it was ghosts.i believe that it was demons who were at
work in that house.pacer

whisper_to_me
05-19-2004, 01:27 PM
i believe in them. but i dont believe they come back to haunt us. i believe they may come back to watch over us or warn us about something. but not scare or hurt us.