I have been watching the moderator queue for a while, and it appears to me that it is very very difficult to get out of the queue right now.

So, to help encourage the new quality members to stick around, I've decided to lower the expectations of new users to get out of the moderator queue.

Here are the new rules:

You must have 100 points in reputation OR be registered for 21 days AND have 25 posts that have made it through the queue.

This splits the pressure between current members as well as the moderator team. Make sure you are repping people that you feel should make it out of the moderator queue. For this system to work, you need to do your part!

Hopefully this will help to draw in some good quality new members while still discouraging the crowd that we don't want here.

PS: Remember that if you want to instantly bypass the moderator queue, you can do so by becoming a paid subscriber. This gets you out and into the wilds of EvBoard while helping to keep this place running smoothly.

I think this is a very good idea ToB, I thinnk it should work splendidly :D

PS: Remember that if you want to instantly bypass the moderator queue, you can do so by becoming a paid subscriber. This gets you out and into the wilds of EvBoard while helping to keep this place running smoothly.
You will also find out why Chuck Norris is the baddest man alive.

That's cool...can I get rid of my Nazi uniform now?

oh snap!

I prefer this idea. The fist time it took me 3 months to get out of the mod queue. :( Now we'll have more members posting and hopefully it'll be a lot more fun! :D

Sure, now you come up with this. Right after I've worked my ass off for 4 months to get out of mod queue. :p

(j/k, I like the idea)
;)

Pats you on back. There There

Finally you did it! Very right decision. Ok, question, what happens to the reps they're given out after being out of the queue? Are they still grey and will be grey till newbies have 100 post and turn into junior members?

Finally you did it! Very right decision. Ok, question, what happens to the reps they're given out after being out of the queue? Are they still grey and will be grey till newbies have 100 post and turn into junior members?
Their rep points being grey has nothing to do with them being in the mod queue. You give grey dots until your reputation power gets above 10. It would be possible to have a reputation power above 10 and still be in the mod queue if you were a new user who got a ton of reps to begin with. And rep points given are determined by what your reputation power is when you leave the rep points, it doesn't adjust as your reputation power goes up (or down) later.

How do you get the reputation power then? Is it proportional to the number of reps you get, or number of rep points?


*understand why some people give more points than others now though*

How do you get the reputation power then? Is it proportional to the number of reps you get, or number of rep points?

Yup. The more rep you have, the more it's worth when you rep other people.

Yup. The more rep you have, the more it's worth when you rep other people.
There are other factors that go into it though, based on your usergroup, how long you've been a member, etc. If I remember correctly, Paid Subscribers have a higher rep power than regular members.

Just one last question (yes I know I'm a pain ;) ), but how do you know what your rep power is?

I don't think you do. It's based on how many points you have, but if you keep track of who repped you and how many points you gained from each, you probably could figure out how much power certain levels have.

Mods and Smurfs (Paid Subscribers) tend to have more power in repping than normal members, I noticed. But that's all the help I can give ya.

Just one last question (yes I know I'm a pain ;) ), but how do you know what your rep power is?
You don't. People spend too much time comparing themselves to one another based on useless metrics on this board as it is. Why would we want to give them another thing to compare?

Just one last question (yes I know I'm a pain ;) ), but how do you know what your rep power is?

You used to be able to tell by looking at someone's points (when we had the store) before and after you repped them. The difference was your rep power, and half of that difference was your negrep power. Now only mods can look to see what it is. But don't bug us about it. As Diamon said, it's really just not important.

Ok, I just wondered.

Ok so what if you don't have enough time to post quality replies and fabulous threads? I work alot and I'm lucky if my eyes aren 't drooping by 8 o 'clock at night let alone to come up with something wity and funny enough to earn some points on here.
Bobbilee

Ok so what if you don't have enough time to post quality replies and fabulous threads? I work alot and I'm lucky if my eyes aren 't drooping by 8 o 'clock at night let alone to come up with something wity and funny enough to earn some points on here.
Bobbilee

If you can't put a little effort into making a post moderately worthwhile, I would suggest that you don't post at all. It's not a difficult thing to do.

Yup. The more rep you have, the more it's worth when you rep other people.
So if everyone starts off at the same level, which must have happened when ToB reset everything, wouldn't everyone be going around giving grey rep boxes because nobody had a rep higher than anyone elses?

I mean... does someone start off with higher reps in order to spread it to a few people, who in turn spread it a bit? And therefore there's like a heirarchy of a few people who get some rep at the start or something?

I wondered that since the reset of the rep.

Doubt somebody becomes a Paid Subscriber to just lurking around..

Doubt somebody becomes a Paid Subscriber to just lurking around..
Y'never know!!! They might have lurked before joining.

So if everyone starts off at the same level, which must have happened when ToB reset everything, wouldn't everyone be going around giving grey rep boxes because nobody had a rep higher than anyone elses?

I mean... does someone start off with higher reps in order to spread it to a few people, who in turn spread it a bit? And therefore there's like a heirarchy of a few people who get some rep at the start or something?

I wondered that since the reset of the rep.

When the reputation levels were reset, everyone started off with 10 points. That was enough to get things going. Slowly but steadily, the more people repped others, the numbers increased.

When the reputation levels were reset, everyone started off with 10 points. That was enough to get things going. Slowly but steadily, the more people repped others, the numbers increased.
Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! Why my mind didn't even comprehend thinking about this little detail is due in its entirety to my lack of sleep. Whoops. Thanks for clearning that up anyway :)

Ok so what if you don't have enough time to post quality replies and fabulous threads? I work alot and I'm lucky if my eyes aren 't drooping by 8 o 'clock at night let alone to come up with something wity and funny enough to earn some points on here.
Bobbilee
In case you haven't noticed, you *do* have a good rep.

So if everyone starts off at the same level, which must have happened when ToB reset everything, wouldn't everyone be going around giving grey rep boxes because nobody had a rep higher than anyone elses?
Everyone was reset to a reputation of 10, *but* if the box is grey or not is not based solely on reputation. It is based on reputation power and because of the other factors that influence reputation power (number of posts, length of membership, being an admin/mod/ps) quite a few people started out with enough reputation power to give red and green dots.

Everyone was reset to a reputation of 10, *but* if the box is grey or not is not based solely on reputation. It is based on reputation power and because of the other factors that influence reputation power (number of posts, length of membership, being an admin/mod/ps) quite a few people started out with enough reputation power to give red and green dots.
So... people who:

have a higher rep
have more posts
are a p/s or a mod or an admin
and have been members for longer

have power over the new members? I always just assumed it was only reputation power that made you a bit more "powerful" with the rep system. I didn't know there were other factors involved there. I'm not really surprised though.

So... people who:

have a higher rep
have more posts
are a p/s or a mod or an admin
and have been members for longer

have power over the new members? I always just assumed it was only reputation power that made you a bit more "powerful" with the rep system. I didn't know there were other factors involved there. I'm not really surprised though.
Have power over the new members? Not quite. Rep, post count, being a PS and length of membership do not give power over anything. Granted it gives the people more *rep power* but I don't equate that to power over another user. Yes an individual can influence another individual's reputation but the degree to which one user can effect another's reputation isn't that significant. Negative rep's only do half of a user's rep power and when you combine that with the requirement of having to spread rep around before repping the same person again and the limit on number of reps per day it would take a good amount of effort to abuse that power to make a significant effect. And doing so would leave a trail and the person it happens to would probably be bitching their heads off about it (there are enough people that get bent out of shape over one neg rep, I can't imagine a user ignoring repeated neg reps) that it would be found out and rectified rather quickly. I periodically look through the reputation comments and look for anyone giving out neg reps under dubious circumstances.

Have power over the new members? Not quite. Rep, post count, being a PS and length of membership do not give power over anything. Granted it gives the people more *rep power* but I don't equate that to power over another user. Yes an individual can influence another individual's reputation but the degree to which one user can effect another's reputation isn't that significant. Negative rep's only do half of a user's rep power and when you combine that with the requirement of having to spread rep around before repping the same person again and the limit on number of reps per day it would take a good amount of effort to abuse that power to make a significant effect. And doing so would leave a trail and the person it happens to would probably be bitching their heads off about it (there are enough people that get bent out of shape over one neg rep, I can't imagine a user ignoring repeated neg reps) that it would be found out and rectified rather quickly. I periodically look through the reputation comments and look for anyone giving out neg reps under dubious circumstances.
Oh whoops, I meant that only with reference to the rep system, not the rest of the board and its aspects.

When the reputation levels were reset, everyone started off with 10 points. That was enough to get things going. Slowly but steadily, the more people repped others, the numbers increased.
Is it likely that the rep system will eventually get back to how it was before the crash?

~ben~

Is it likely that the rep system will eventually get back to how it was before the crash?

~ben~
How do you mean? Numerically or qualitatively? http://dhammaseeker.com/smileys/raspberry.gif
Either way, my answer will most likely be "no". [/magic8ballanswer]

click here for the continuing discussion on whether you can step into the same river twice (http://evboard.com/showthread.php?t=28241)

How do you mean? Numerically or qualitatively? http://dhammaseeker.com/smileys/raspberry.gif
Either way, my answer will most likely be "no". [/magic8ballanswer]
Well I mean the user rep points. I remeber back earlier this year everyone was dishing out rep points because they could. Then the crash happened, and now not as many people rep each other, because they can't, and the people who don't have any rep points aren't likely to get any. :rolleyes: I guess eventually though things would even out like they were before. :cool:

~ben~

I'm still not sure why there's a rep system. Sure there's a system where someone who makes good, recognized posts will get out of the mod queue, but why show rep and the rep after it's basically obsolete?

I'm still not sure why there's a rep system. Sure there's a system where someone who makes good, recognized posts will get out of the mod queue, but why show rep and the rep after it's basically obsolete?
Because showing rep is one way to keep people interesting in using the rep system and getting them to rep new users. If rep didn't see any benefit for themselves from the rep system after they were out of moderated status how many would just forget it even exists?

Because showing rep is one way to keep people interesting in using the rep system and getting them to rep new users.

So you're basically saying the majority of members here like shiny stuff?

So you're basically saying the majority of members here like shiny stuff?
When mister small (me) sees mister big (you) mr small wishes he had shiny things too :rolleyes:

But after you get 11 green dots or whatever, it doesn't mean there's nothing to do. The rep system keeps some people entertained while not much is going on Ev-wise.And its always nice to know when a post is appreciated.

I was just wondering, if someone reps you and they don't leave any comments, can you still see who repped you? :confused:

I was just wondering, if someone reps you and they don't leave any comments, can you still see who repped you? :confused:

I don't know how it works with PS, but I can't see who repped me unless they tell it in the comments.

I was just wondering, if someone reps you and they don't leave any comments, can you still see who repped you? :confused:
you should know the answer to that. you ARE a PS...

you should know the answer to that. you ARE a PS...
Unless they've never received a rep without a comment. :)

The answer is Paid Subscribers can see who left the Rep even if they don't leave a comment, the aera for the comment will simply be blank but the rest of the columns (red/green and who left it) will be filled in just like normal.

you should know the answer to that. you ARE a PS...

Actually, I just became a PS a few days ago and only recently have started seeing who's repped me, and everyone has left comments.

The answer is Paid Subscribers can see who left the Rep even if they don't leave a comment, the aera for the comment will simply be blank but the rest of the columns (red/green and who left it) will be filled in just like normal.

Okay, thank you. I had been wondering about that. :)

I remember when i was Lurker!
I have to post so mutch..!
This is a great idea Tob! Welcome to all new members! Hpe you like it!

I think that was mainly the reason why ToB did it, to refrain people from posting anything anywhere just to get out of the mod queue. It's a great idea, it'll probably make people post only when they really feel like they should, making the board a better place to be. And the rep points are there to show that what matters is quality, not quantity.

i am a paid person, and...it told me when i posted just now, that it had to be checked before it would post.....why is that?

i am a paid person, and...it told me when i posted just now, that it had to be checked before it would post.....why is that?
http://evboard.com/showpost.php?p=710166&postcount=2

After reading this thread, I finally understand. I think it's a good idea, although it does seem a little annoying at first. That's good though, because it weeds out all the crap.

ToB, or any of you mod-types... would it be possible to turn off the rep system for one of the forums, specifically the debate forum?

It is kind of counterproductive; I mean, the whole point of a debate forum is to encourage people to post conflicting opinions on a subject. Being able to blindly give someone neg reps is a strong deterrant to people posting there. If someone doesn't agree with you, they don't have to post their opinion, they can just gig you. It defeats an adversarial system if you have to worry about people flinging rotten tomatoes from the sidelines.

Just my opinion though.

I think you can disable your reps in your user cp?

I can't say I'm sure though.

:confused:

~ben

I think you can disable your reps in your user cp?

I can't say I'm sure though.

:confused:

~ben
You are able to disable the display of the reputation in your post bits (http://evboard.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gifhttp://evboard.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gifhttp://evboard.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif), but you're still subject to receiving reputation comments.

ToB, or any of you mod-types... would it be possible to turn off the rep system for one of the forums, specifically the debate forum?
I'm not a mod or anything close, but I don't see that as being very necessary. People are not going to negatively rep you simply for having a different opinion, they MAY negatively rep you if you say something that could be harmful to other people that might read it, or if you are abusing your sources, or posting irrelevant information, not backing up your opinion with fact - just plain out actions that go against rules spelled out in the FAQ.

If there are still people that are negatively repping you for having a different opinion (only), then just don't worry about it. If it becomes excessive you can let a moderator know, because I'm sure that would cross into being harassment, but I hardly think it would get to that kind of level. Besides, I don't believe negative reps do much harm to your reputation, unless you get a shit load of them from different people (and if you do, then chances are you probably are screwing up). So if you get one or two from some ignorant asshole, because you posted a countering opinion in the debate forum, just brush it off... it's no big deal.

And as Dhamma and someone else said, you can disable your rep so that others can't see them, by going to your User CP and choosing to disable them. I think that you'll still receive reps and such, it'll just prevent others from seeing your rep status (i.e. those little green/red dots under your name).

End.

Unless I just don't have that option, I don't think anyone other than the Paid Subscribers can disable the rep display.

People are not going to negatively rep you simply for having a different opinion, they MAY negatively rep you if you say something that could be harmful to other people that might read it, or if you are abusing your sources, or posting irrelevant information, not backing up your opinion with fact - just plain out actions that go against rules spelled out in the FAQ.



Actually.. and this is what happened... I posted on one of the debate forums. Somebody neg repped me and their comment is "That would be stupid." I took offense at that... its turning a debate into a personal attack. So I posted about it on the board, trying to get whoever repped me to post an actual opinion on the topic and not just attack me. Then I got a nastygram from a mod for posting about a neg rep and more neg reps to boot. I wasn't all that bent about the one neg rep, but as a newbie, I don't have all that many positive reps, and I enjoy(ed) posting, so I didn't want to skew the tally early on. I was more irked that the person didn't have the stones to post their opinion or their name.

Ah well, c'est le guerre. Lesson learned, I mainly read now. Took all the fun out of it when I realized that you couldn't really have a meaningful debate.

Actually.. and this is what happened... I posted on one of the debate forums. Somebody neg repped me and their comment is "That would be stupid." I took offense at that... its turning a debate into a personal attack. So I posted about it on the board, trying to get whoever repped me to post an actual opinion on the topic and not just attack me.
Umm, sorry but saying that your opinion is stupid is not a personal attack. Now if they had said "that's stupid, you inbred little child molester" then I could see calling it a personal attack, but someone having an opinion that your opinion is stupid isn't a personal attack.

Then I got a nastygram from a mod for posting about a neg rep and more neg reps to boot.
Yep, whining about a neg rep instead of either a) ignoring it or b) learning from it, is a quick way to get more neg reps.

I wasn't all that bent about the one neg rep, but as a newbie, I don't have all that many positive reps, and I enjoy(ed) posting, so I didn't want to skew the tally early on.
But not getting neg reps for posting stupid things *would* skew the tally. No one complains when they get a "I love you avatar" or "happy birthday" rep which has nothing to do with the quality of their posts whatsoever, but give that same person a neg rep for a bad post and they throw a bigger tantrum than my 3 year old daughter when she's overdue for a nap.

I was more irked that the person didn't have the stones to post their opinion or their name.
That's the way the system works, just ignore it if you can't deal with it. To be honest the rep system doesn't really mean much of anything other than the ability to rep people. Out of 10294 people on the board only 55 have a negative rep, if one neg rep made that much of a difference there would be a far far greater percentage of people who have neg reps.

Ah well, c'est le guerre. Lesson learned, I mainly read now. Took all the fun out of it when I realized that you couldn't really have a meaningful debate.
You can have a meaningful debate, but part of debate is accepting that other people might think that your opinion is utter rubbish. Debate isn't about giving everyone the warm fuzzies by telling how much you love what they have to say, it's about disagreeing on a subject and discussing why you disagree.

Look at reps as dirty undies. When they become soiled, replace them and then throw them at the one who soiled them. In many cases it is yourself.

What if people are too lazy to give me reputation points, though?

I'm sure there not too lazy. I tend to only give rep points to someone who deserves it. If someones made an effort or put real thought into there post I'll rep them.

Is this "25 Post Rule" Still applicable? You posted this a long time ago.

Because I have been registered for close to two years, but just waiting to get there to get out of the queue.

Is this "25 Post Rule" Still applicable? You posted this a long time ago.

Because I have been registered for close to two years, but just waiting to get there to get out of the queue.
From looking at the AdminCP, it appears the rule is still applicable.

Thanks, because I should be getting out of it right about now.
lol.

From looking at the AdminCP, it appears the rule is still applicable.

Ah Grasshopper, is it to but only 'appear' to be true? May I posit that no entity is certain of what mis-applicabilites lurk in the hearts of ROM.


Thanks, because I should be getting out of it right about now.
lol.

Good luck with that !


I'm still chortling over the anti-mod petition that can't be viewed :p

your pal Anders

Thanks, I'm out! Freedom at last! ;)

I'm finnaly out of the Queue.....

haha, the mod queue is funny.

sad? yes. necessary? yes.

but funny.

I don't think I was ever in the mod queue as such. Lol.

When you get out of the mod queue, do you lose that little "lurker" label under your name?

When you get out of the mod queue, do you lose that little "lurker" label under your name?

Well 4 posts above yours PunkRcSk8tr said he was out of the mod queue and he's still a lurker. So the answer would be no ;)

When you get out of the mod queue, do you lose that little "lurker" label under your name?
As I remember you need 100 post for your CT to be changed on Junior member, but there's an easier way - collect 1000 points and buy a new title in the shop;)

Yay! Now i can get out of the line faster :)

I can't wat to get out :D

As I remember you need 100 post for your CT to be changed on Junior member, but there's an easier way - collect 1000 points and buy a new title in the shop;)


lol, but in order to get 1,000 points, you need almost 100 posts, so that's not a great advantage.

I see right through your clever little plans, Scratchy. ;)

hahaha, not really! You can also win one of the arcade games and get your 1000 points or just ask someone to donate them to you.

Oh, btw, I don't know anyone who could see into my clever little plans ;)

This is a great news for newcomers like me, I don't really like to be waiting for my posts to be "posted", thatks for this ;)

Each time you want to change your title, you have to pay 1000 points? Or is the 1000 points just a one time thing, and after that, you can change it all you want?
Sorry, I'm still an ultranOOb.



P.S. I'm out of the moderation queue.

It will cost 1000 points each time. If you become a paid subscriber (http://www.evboard.com/subscriptions.php?), you can change it as much as you want for 0 points!

Is this "25 Post Rule" Still applicable? You posted this a long time ago.

Because I have been registered for close to two years, but just waiting to get there to get out of the queue.
You were in it for two years?
I was in it for a few days and got pissed off.
At least you are out now, to carefree posting.

*dance*

I just have to say thankyou. I've been on here as a lurker for years because the queue was annoying for me. I finally got out. Yay. Being a junior member is a lot better.:D

Yeah, the Mod Queque is really annoying, this news are perfect :mrgreen:

Nothing reinforces how pointless the moderation queue is than all these "I'm out of the mod queue" and "me too" posts. </sarcasm>

lol, but in order to get 1,000 points, you need almost 100 posts, so that's not a great advantage.

Hmm... that's generally true, unless the majority of your posts come from the "Completely Off-Topic" or "Introduce Yourself" Forums. Then you could have 1,000 points and not nearly as close to 100 posts.

So Draconian~Nymph and Scratchy, I guess I beat both of you guys. =p

Or I guess the arcade suggestion would work just as efficiently.

Anyhow, not meaning to sway off-topic, I'm going to join the party and say I love the new policy. I've read through most of the posts in this thread, and many users are mentioning it took them months and for some, even years to finally make it out of the queue. And I can safely assume I speak for many when I say that at points, it's hard to not get impatient or even frustrated when waiting for your posts to appear. So this idea works spendidly, as it not only encourages the quality members to continue taking part in the Evboard community, but also provides incentive for the newer members to follow the rules and post intelligently. I'm sure you're getting plenty of love in here ToB, but I just wanted to swing by and pitch in my two cents. :)

I was in the mod queue for three days I think and it drove me mad enough even then, luckily I was repped out of it quickly or it probably would have anoyed me to the point of not bothering to post. But I do still think it is a good and neccesary system to have.
I'm glad I appeared after all these new rules were listed, and all I can advise to everyone who is still on the queue and wants off quickly -post relevant posts and really think about what your saying before you post, it'll pay off in the long run, quality not quantity. You don't want to be listed as a spammy n00b member.