Hi evboarders!
What do you think of NDE? Do you belive in the reports of those who say they've had nde's? Everyone who's had that experience tells the story about seeing themselves laying on the hopstital bed, or about a light that guides them to a feeling of peace... I've read lot's of books and seen lots of tv programs about this, and i don't know if i should believe or not.
Anyways, I feel curios about this topic, i've never had one and i don't know nobody who has, but i now lot's of stories, and all of them have common things that make me believe that these kind of experiences are real and they happen when you are in a critical state, almost dying. Do you have any stories to tell? Let me know what you think! new topic open for debate!
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I think NDEs aren't really what people think they are. Oxygen deprivation or other things may cause these people to see bright lights, etc. There is a book by Terry Hines called "Pseudoscience and the Paranormal" that you might want to read, if you're interested.

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I think NDEs aren't really what people think they are. Oxygen deprivation or other things may cause these people to see bright lights, etc. There is a book by Terry Hines called "Pseudoscience and the Paranormal" that you might want to read, if you're interested.

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I agree with SangReal. The mind can cook up some funky stuff, especially you're under the influence of a drug, or deprived of oxygen, etc. I think the reason that people take NDEs so seriously is because it deals with something many people are scared of, death. Anything else you wouldn't exactly pay much attention to, but if you see yourself dying, then whatever you see suddenly becomes frighteningly real.

I agree with the above post. And SangReal.

But also, what -exactly- tells your body you're about to die and hten triggers these experiences? Water filling up your lungs? Nearly bleeding to death? I dont see what exactly would trigger your body and tell it "You're gonna die really soon, get ready"... So im just a bit skeptical...But I can be convinced otherwise, if someone has a really good explanation...

Thankx for the suggestion, i'll read it! :)
I know there are lot's of medical and scientific explanations to the NEDs, and when your body lacks of oxigen you have allucinations, like bright lights, but... i mean, the ppl that had a nde remembers exactly what they've seen and felt, and most of times they see their body and what is around them (objects in the room, people...), and when they wake up they can describe the "scenario" exactly as it was.
Oxigen deprivation can give us alucinations, but not of this kind...
I have a friend that, when he was a kid, one day broke his head and he fainted, and he told me that he felt himself leaving his body and he saw his mother holding him and screaming for help. He wasn't near death, he just fainted, so we don't think this is a ned, but it's wierd anyway.... i guess i'll just read that book so i can understand more of this! :)

I agree with the above post. And SangReal.

But also, what -exactly- tells your body you're about to die and hten triggers these experiences? Water filling up your lungs? Nearly bleeding to death? I dont see what exactly would trigger your body and tell it "You're gonna die really soon, get ready"... So im just a bit skeptical...But I can be convinced otherwise, if someone has a really good explanation... It's not that it exactly (to my knowledge) "predicts" you are about to die, but rather lack of oxygen/lack of blood (which carries oxygen to the brain) causes some rather strange effects.

Kinda like doing drugs, and being high.

People experiencing NDEs often see a light at the end of a tunnel, or something similar. Stanislav Grof wrote that this experience occurs because the person's mind is recreating his own birth! This would fit with the "life flashing before my eyes" visions common during NDEs.

Out-of body-experiences are interesting as well, but AFAIK no one has conducted a successful experiment to prove that individuals are actually leaving their bodies. These experiments would involve asking the subject to have the experience and read the title of a book on a high shelf, for example. These experiments could be conducted since one need not be approaching death to have an out-of-body experience--people have them while on certain drugs, or during meditation, etc.

Studies on a certain class of NDEs show the person remembering events, looking at their bodies, while "dead."

Studies on a certain class of NDEs show the person remembering events, looking at their bodies, while "dead."
Since you're the "scientific man," articles? Studies? If there are studies proving OOB or NDEs I'd like to see them

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Here's the first one I came across:

http://www.zarqon.co.uk/Lancet.pdf

EDIT:

Another:

http://profezie3m.altervista.org/archivio/TheLancet_NDE.htm


Sabom[22] mentions a young American woman who had complications during brain surgery for a cerebral aneurysm. The EEG of her cortex and brainstem had become totally flat. After the operation, which was eventually successful, this patient proved to have had a very deep NDE, including an out-of-body experience, with subsequently verified observations during the period of the flat EEG.

I don't think that people always see themselves in a hospital bed or soemthing.
I had a NDE when I was younger, I was in a accident. What I remember was a field of flowers, and surrounding me was a silver spider web. Every connection on the web had a face, I didn't recognize them, but it was a face.
Years later, amazing coincidence or fate, I started Wicca. That silver web I saw was the Web of Life.
Now, I don't want to clash with anyone's religion or belief, I was just putting my thoughts in. But I am quite enjoying the theories that people have...

Out of body experiences account for 24% of NDEs.
We need to be data driven, not theory driven. If you saw it, you saw it, regardless of what people believe in terms of religion.

Out of body experiences account for 24% of NDEs.
We need to be data driven, not theory driven. If you saw it, you saw it, regardless of what people believe in terms of religion.

What types of experiences are the other 76% of NDEs?

As a data-driven person, wouldn't you admit that oxygen deprivation is in fact always a condition of a person having an OOBE? Further, if I said I saw Jesus at the right hand of God in an OOBE, I don't think "if you saw it, you saw it" would be issuing forth from your mouth. Not sure, though. :)


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What types of experiences are the other 76% of NDEs?

As a data-driven person, wouldn't you admit that oxygen deprivation is in fact always a condition of a person having an OOBE? Further, if I said I saw Jesus at the right hand of God in an OOBE, I don't think "if you saw it, you saw it" would be issuing forth from your mouth. Not sure, though. :)


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Well I have never had a NDE . And I have been oxygen deprived. I only experience hallucinations and pain mostly. But any way I believe NDE are just hallucinations in my opinion.