Discuss here.

Note: Tickets have now sold out for this event

Good job I found out the details because I think the dates will sell out extremely fast.

I hope they add some more dates because I want to go to more. :p

If I can cough up the money for train journeys/hotel I shall be attending this event too.

It's good to see them announce Uk dates now, they should be announcing more..right?

where are the tickets on sale i can't find anywhere selling them?

London tickets are allready on sale - try this link and hopefully it will update to include Manchester as it's also included in the listing.
http://www.livenation.co.uk/events/event_info.aspx?rid=207129

I hope this isn't the only dates for the UK. I had to travel down to London the other week!

I hope they come to Birmingham like they did on their last tour. Anyone know if there's anymore?

oh my god yes!
ive been waiting for this for like 3 years.
I'm definately there!! only half an hour from where I live.
I'm excited already and havent even got tickets!
:D

MEAN. I don't get paid until 27th :( can't afford it.

OMG, I can get to Manchester lol. The thing is I have College and I can't miss it coz they dead stirct :( *Cries*

Hmm, OH well, They'll have to cope lol. Ill call in Sick the next day...

They must surely be adding some more dates, though? *Gail panics* I mean...I really don't see myself getting to either Manchester or London. I live in Scotland. Please someone reassure me they will add some more dates. Didn't Amy say in an interview Ev would be touring the UK through November-December?
:confused:

They had better come to Birmingham, I'm not allowed to go to Manchester on a school night *cries* I AM BEGGING YOU! COME TO BIRMINGHAM AND I SWEAR I WILL LOVE YOU TILL THE DAY I DIE! :DDD <3

Woo! My last post is void. All things well I shall be booking my tickets as soon as they go on sale! Parents rock. :mrgreen:

Aww yay they're playing in Manchester :mrgreen: Its only fair, Birmingham people you got the show last time they toured hehe

Ohh well I think I'll be going to this gig hopefully, been to the Manchester Apollo before so I know where it is! I'll be sure to be around on Friday to book my tickets. :mrgreen:

We should arrange a meeting or something for those who are going
:]

I have just purchased my 2 tickets for this venue! w00t so when London is over I still have this one to look forward to. :D

I have just purchased my 2 tickets for this venue! w00t so when London is over I still have this one to look forward to. :D
I was tempted to do London too, but it works out very very expensive for single tickets, as i'd have to get to London, to Manchester then back home to Plymouth.
But see you in Manchester!!!!!!!:D I was actually sick to the stomach with excitement the past 3 days, even more so yesterday when my friend got our tickets. Absolutely over the moon!
I'm debating whether to go up to hers on the Sunday or the Monday now... loooong way to go, but I don't have to worry about accommodation. Although, there is always time to decide to go to to London later though! :D
Hope to see some of you lovely people there!:D :D :D :D

Anyone that's been to Manchester Apollo before...what's the best ticket to get as on aloud.com they seem to have 3 options and I'm not sure which is the closest to the stage. I would very much prefer front row!

Oh I never sit down at a gig so I wouldnt know! I prefer the trend just to get near enough bruised in the standing area!

Seating? What do you take me for?! :p. I will get the middle area standing in that case. There's nothing better than rocking out at a gig whilst being squashed with everyone's sweat wiping all over you/joke

I jsut booked my tickets :)

I am in standing area.

Seating? What do you take me for?! :p. I will get the middle area standing in that case. There's nothing better than rocking out at a gig whilst being squashed with everyone's sweat wiping all over you/joke

HAHA I wasnt too sure I thought by your last post you were seating! ;)

I've been to this venue before, they have a front standing area on the ground floor, then circle seating behind that then more seatin on the balcony. :)

ive got 3 tickets! im taking my 2 friends. Ive never been 2 the apollo before, is it near a train station?

I've been to this venue before, they have a front standing area on the ground floor, then circle seating behind that then more seatin on the balcony. :)
I work right near it, is it as much of a shit whole inside as it is out? lol
can't wait till the gig :D

yeah! I got 2 tickets, haha, first time seeing Ev! I can't wait!
So what exactly is the apollo like? I have front standing tickets apparently according to the ticket people, which sounds good lol.
Bearing in mind I live near Middlesbrough haha.

omg! i didn't know about this! i'v started to lay off the evanescence world. don't know why. have to book this though this weekend! its been 3 years this october!

I work right near it, is it as much of a shit whole inside as it is out?

In a word - yes. Also if any of you have parents that are planning on dropping you off and staying in the bar or something during the gig, they won't be able to enter the venue as they only let ticket holders inside. Just incase that's of any use to anyone!

I guess the venue has to be overlooked though - it's the music and the overall experience that matter. :)

Gah I'm trying to book tickets for me and my friend but ticketmaster keeps throwing up an error message...

I hope Ev do more UK tour dates than this, but at least that's one I can get to easily (if ticketmaster get their arse in gear) cause I'm moving to Salford this sunday :D

I got my tickets yesterday on pre-sale :]

for me and my uber cool mate.

in the standing area of course...

hardxcore

:D

EDIT: the appollo is a great venue, its kinda small so even sitting right at the back you can see the act brilliantly.

I got my tickets :D :D :D :D :D :D
i can't wait its my first time seeing them live i wasnt allowed before :(
am so excited, does anyone know if they will be doing any autographs? if there will be any merch on sale? and who is supporting them?
So excited :D :D :D :D

yeah i love the apollo. its where ev played manchester last. memories. booked 'em now! i so can't wait!

Okay, ticketmaster.co.uk isn't working for me and I've been trying since last night... where are you all getting your tickets from?

Okay, ticketmaster.co.uk isn't working for me and I've been trying since last night... where are you all getting your tickets from?
Try www.aloud.com or www.livenation.co.uk or www.seetickets.com

:D

I've just managed to get ticketmaster working, but thankyou anyway :)

Right then, my tickets are on their way, I guess I'll see you all there *excited*

Can we take cameras? I'm like proper buzzin here, and need to take photos when we there lol.

YAY!!! I just got two tickets to the manchester gig =] i have been saving my gig virginity for this moment!!! gunna be awsome. I'm guessing we'll be allowed cameras...I'm sure as heck gunna bring mine

Can we take cameras? I'm like proper buzzin here, and need to take photos when we there lol.
I'm thinking not. Most now say on your tickets use of cameras or recording equipment is strictly prohibited.
Yeah, just looked on the ticket master website and under rules of Manchester Apollo.
General Rules:
No cameras, video cameras or audio recording devices

Of course people do get them in, but just be prepared that you might get your camera taken off you.

Can we take cameras? I'm like proper buzzin here, and need to take photos when we there lol.

I dont think you are allowed them at this venue but if your a girl you can get away with sneaking one in which I dont think you are! :p

Yay I have just got my ticks this is going to be so cool this will be the first ever concert I have been to now all i need to do is find someone to take ticket 2.

As if they're only playing two venues! Neither of which I can get to :(

But I'm hoping they'll come back next year and do a full UK tour like they did last time, INCLUDING BIRMINGHAM.:p

You guys who are going are soososos lucky, I'm really jealous!
x

They will be dont worry. Apparantly they are doing small venues this year and next year they are doing the big venues.

I can't believe I'm going to see them at a small venue, I mean I expected to go to like the NEC to see them or something.

Hey Carmen, how about making a list on the first post of all the board members that are going?

Just how big, erm small is the Apollo? Is it an up close and personal jobbie?

I don't think I could cope seeing Ev AND P!nk up close and personal, my little heart couldn't take that much joy and excitement!!:mrgreen:

MORE shows next year? Oh my life!:eek: I have to hope I can make some!

Codger, I expect a hug if we meet don't forget. :p Hell, i'll hug everyone me!
I am so very very happy. This is the best year EVER for seeing people I love live.:D :D
(edited cause of typo! D'oh!)

As if they're only playing two venues! Neither of which I can get to :(
I have to travel about 8 hours or more to see them. But I wasn't missing this for anyone!

I hope you get to see them soon!:p

Just how big, erm small is the Apollo? Is it an up close and personal jobbie?

I don't think I could cope seeing Ev AND P!nk up close and personal, my little heart couldn't take that much joy and excitement!!:mrgreen:

MORE shows next year? Oh my life!:eek: I have to hope I can make some!

Codger, I expect a hug if we meed don't forget. :p Hell, i'll hug everyone me!
I am so very very happy. This is the best year EVER for seeing people I love live.:D :D

The appollo is relativly small, standing is great, saw Trivium and other bands there. It looks a mess on the outside, but it not all bad inside.

And Hugs are a must.

Im going to both of the uk dates, got my tickets and stuff..cant wait :D

I'm going to this show with my best mate :D


So excited!!

The appollo is relativly small, standing is great, saw Trivium and other bands there. It looks a mess on the outside, but it not all bad inside.

And Hugs are a must.Relatively small? Ohhhh my life! *even more excitement fills the room* YAY!

Just out of curiosity. When are you lot going to start arriving?:confused: I expect we'll go down pretty early. But don't wanna go too late and miss the funnage!

I think I'll be at the venue around 5.30pm - leaving college at 4 to catch the train asap! :mrgreen: Exciting stuff!

I will be arriving as soon as I get there from London so just depending on what train I catch I guess. :p

same here...im gettin train from London also so same boat!

Woo I have tickets for Manchester too! I'm not sure whether to go to Manchester straight after the London gig or go home and then travel to Manchester the next day. Whatever happens I can only afford one night at a hotel. Me and kerny decided it would be cool to stay at a hotel in the end. But thanks to everyone that offered us a place to stay!
Anyone that knows Manchester well, do you know where the nearest hilton hotel is to Manchester Apollo...or any fancy dancy hotel really? I don't think I'd be able to cope with a cheap hotel. I'm scared there will be bugs crawling around the room or uncleaned sheets! :p

EDIT: Does Manchester Apollo ever come under the name of a theatre too? I tried looking for nearby hotels and some come up with Manchester carling apollo theatre

I just got tickets to the show in Manchester!!!!! Yay!!!

I can't wait! I've never been to the Apollo before, but reading some of your comments I think it's gonna be amazing! I love it that it's a more intimate venue, I'm so gonna be up there at the front! (If I can stand the bruising :D lol)

Woo I have tickets for Manchester too! I'm not sure whether to go to Manchester straight after the London gig or go home and then travel to Manchester the next day. Whatever happens I can only afford one night at a hotel. Me and kerny decided it would be cool to stay at a hotel in the end. But thanks to everyone that offered us a place to stay!
Anyone that knows Manchester well, do you know where the nearest hilton hotel is to Manchester Apollo...or any fancy dancy hotel really? I don't think I'd be able to cope with a cheap hotel. I'm scared there will be bugs crawling around the room or uncleaned sheets! :p

EDIT: Does Manchester Apollo ever come under the name of a theatre too? I tried looking for nearby hotels and some come up with Manchester carling apollo theatre

cool!!! well i am gonna stop in london that night then get an early train to manc next day makes most sense to me!!
as for the carling apollo theatre yeah im sure thats the appollo!
The nearest Hilton is Manchester airport!!But there are lots of nice hotels dashed about the city centre which is five minutes from the apollo on the 192 bus route :)

There are no Hilton hotels in Manchester, have you ever thought of staying at a Travel Inn/Premier Travel Inn. There is a really really nice one in Manchester actually right near Manchester Apollo its worth thinking about, I have stayed in these hotels before and they are really clean, I have OCD so if I stay in these hotels then everyone knows its okay!

There are no Hilton hotels in Manchester, have you ever thought of staying at a Travel Inn/Premier Travel Inn. There is a really really nice one in Manchester actually right near Manchester Apollo its worth thinking about, I have stayed in these hotels before and they are really clean, I have OCD so if I stay in these hotels then everyone knows its okay!
Ooh, is there? I tried looking on Premier inn website but there are a gazillion Manchester ones... can anyone narrow it down for me?! I have OCD too, so sounds good!! :p

Manchester City Centre (Portland Street) is the nearest one I can find. I have checked the distance from there to Manchester Apollo on the AA website and it takes around 5 minutes which isnt very far.

If people are intending on staying at this hotel then I will be the first to meet everyone and then take them to the Apollo anyway so there are no problems there, I may be travelling down to Manchester with Carmen so she should be okay ;)

Just keep posted on all your intentions.

I got 2 tickets just last night for me and my mate to the Manchester show, i cant wait me like:D I remember the Apollo being a good venue when i saw Stone Sour their a few years ago... they might have done it all up better now i dunno. Hopefully we can all meet eachother before the show and maybe have a nice drink in the little pub around the back of the venue:cool: I'm well buzzin' with excitement.

Mehh i wanted a Bham gig.. But cudnt take the risk.. So ive bought tickets to this one.. Gotta miss college, And get back at like 3am in the morning :P but mehh who cares.. i aint gonna miss ev am i :D

Only question is..

Seat location: section CIRCLE, row U, seats 23-22

What the hells that ^^^ lol I wanna stand!!!

Only question is..

Seat location: section CIRCLE, row U, seats 23-22

What the hells that ^^^ lol I wanna stand!!!

I think it means that you are seated in the Rear Circle area as you mention row U. Click the link below which should show you a seating chart for the venue, hope this helps:

http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/seatingchart/190125/10685

There are no Hilton hotels in Manchester, have you ever thought of staying at a Travel Inn/Premier Travel Inn. There is a really really nice one in Manchester actually right near Manchester Apollo its worth thinking about, I have stayed in these hotels before and they are really clean, I have OCD so if I stay in these hotels then everyone knows its okay!

There is a hilton, near manchester airport, ive been there

There is a hilton, near manchester airport, ive been there

Yes which is way out of the way from Apollo, Manchester Airport is a long way away from Manchester if you hadnt already noticed even though its called Manchester Airport, I live close enough.

Yes I was born and raised in manchester lived there nearly all of my life :) there are plenly of buses that go to the airport and its not long at all on the train.
She did ask for a hilton hotel so I was just making her aware :)

My tickets arrived today :D

Apparantly my tickets have come today as well my mum just text me at work! :p w00t gotta remember to put them in a safe place now.

I aint sitting down... Fook that lol...

I WANNA STANNDDDDD!!!

w00p Tickets arrived this morning :D

Yeah, standing too, am soo happy lol.

Fook it man.. im standing anyway lol... I dont go to ev to sit down

good luck with that :P

Some of you already have your tickets :eek: Can i just ask where most of you bought them from?

I really can't see that many people sitting... unless they have reasons. I mean, I HATE standing, with a passion, but i'm still gonna bop until I drop... *Might not take long mind*. I'm too old for this.:D

Noooooo:( ... i rang up the venue to get tickets but they're sold out!!! does anyone know if i can still get some from anywhere???

I really can't see that many people sitting... unless they have reasons. I mean, I HATE standing, with a passion, but i'm still gonna bop until I drop... *Might not take long mind*. I'm too old for this.:D

Probably so they can get a better view of the gig. I cant see myself ever doing that but people have preferences! :p

If you want to get tickets you could try ebay, they are getting high in price now but that is your best bet, or alternatively try www.seetickets.com they usually have them if most places are sold out.

Edit - I just looked on their site and it appears there are standing tickets left so I would hurry if I were you and get them.

I think www.ticketmaster.co.uk still have some tickets left.

Ill just go in and stand... Dont think there was seats in the apollo last time i went there anyway.. First ever time i seen ev was at the apollo. And i had a seat ticket but ended up standing thankgod

Some of you already have your tickets :eek: Can i just ask where most of you bought them from?

I got mine from www.aloud.com but that is basicly ticketmaster anyway lol.

Anybody know where I can still get standing tickets for this?? They were still available then when i came back with a credit card like an hour later, they'd gone.

The only site I know of with standing tickets still is www.seetickets.com. (As princess Diane noticed too)

I got my tickets yesterday! I can't wait to go!

Does anyone know who the support is?

Nah. See's where I was going to get them from. Looks like no Ev for me. :(

I got my tickets yesterday! I can't wait to go!

Does anyone know who the support is?

yay my tickets came in the post today! woooohoooo :D

and as for support i'm not sure... i thought it might be Revelation Theory, but that might just be for the US tour?

yey i got my tickets the other day if you go to the tickmaster site they have them still i thinks and call them up somtimes they dont have um left online but over the phone you can get them does anyone wanna meet up there???? we could all make a good nite of it all the ev boarders together if you like?

yeah i think that would be cool if we all met up and went for a drink or something?...

theres a pub right on the side of the apollo we could meet in there n hour n half before if yall like i say that early cause other wise it can get pretty busy x

Mehhh what about queing up? lol:mrgreen:

I bought my tickets on Friday for me and my dad , both standing :mrgreen:
Cant wait , will be missing 2 days of college but it will be worth it..
I've been waiting to see Evanescence for 3 years.. !

i found with the apollo there is no pint in lining up until half hour before the show it dunt matter if you are first in the line or last cause everyone stands everywhere and there is plenty of room x

Is it so small that you can easy see the band from the back of standing (front standing bit)

i found the best place for veiw etc is just behind the barriers in the middle the barriers on the outside of the circul where loadsa people go to mosh you dont get squashed and its awsome lol x

So this show is now sold out?

So this show is now sold out?

indeed it is!
because ev are the bestest. obv.

i found with the apollo there is no pint in lining up until half hour before the show it dunt matter if you are first in the line or last cause everyone stands everywhere and there is plenty of room x

Thanks for the heads up, I'd have been standing there like a muppet for ages! lol

indeed it is!
because ev are the bestest. obv.

cool! and obvz... it was expected like. i cant wait wait woooooo :D

the last time ev plaved at the apollo it was so good. the place really lit up when ev came on stage. great atmosphere. no idiots. i'm so skiving school that day to go early haha. haha 'cause i'm so bad lol.

Can I just bounce about like a tit for a minute all happy cause I got tickets..woohoo!!!

im going to this gig for definate! not 100% sure bout the london one but im bound to go to both. there no way i can miss out on this opportunity!

I have a spare ticket for this show, now listed on ebay if anyone is interested?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190049251763&rd=1&rd=1

Any of us meeting up at the manchester show on tuesday??

You lucky lucky people.... *cries*

tomorrow! \o/

I should be there for well... 6ish, I'm hoping. Blame work, not letting me leave early ¬.¬

Excited!

Have fun tomorrow!

Take lots of pictures.

ohh Have fun everyone! Rememeber every single detail for us XD :D

Hate to be the bearer of bad new guys...

Manchester Show Cancelled

Due to a family emergency, Evanescence must unfortunately cancel the show scheduled for November 21st at the Carling Manchester Apollo (Manchester, UK). The band hopes to be able to reschedule the show at a later date and appreciates the support and understanding of its fans. Tickets shall be refunded at point of purchase. Please check back at www.evanescence.com for touring updates.

Ev's MySpace Blog (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=17657140&blogID=195677378&MyToken=5ed949a0-f99f-4883-a7b2-2a61774ccca0)

Oh wow. I wonder what happened. I hope everything is OK.

Awww. I hope it's nothing too serious.

Possibly something to do with John's babeh being due November-ish....

Is anyone else really worried about this?

Aww well im gutted but if they had to cancel the show then that's what they had to do. And yes it is apparently John's wife having gone into labour, so congratulations are in order I presume!

According to Carmen on Evthreads John's wife went into labor. Here's what she posted:
Yes, that's right Lauzzy. I just got back from the London gig. When talking to Tim he mentioned about going home tomorrow and I said "What about Manchester?" and he hesitated and said he couldn't explain why he mentioned going home 'tomorrow'. Later when Amy came out for signings apparently she mentioned to someone that John's wife had gone into labour so they can't do the show tomorrow.


So, congrats to John and his wife.

Aww, sucks you guys are missing the show, but yay for a John!baby! Congrats for John and family.

ah man! I justed packing for the train ride..bugger we're all gunna have to go to manchester anyways..everything booked :( This is the third one I missed..1st evil tranport 2nd my own babys due date..and John missus labor makes 3rd

4th time lucky?

Congrats to John and his wife and the ickle one! All the best!!!
XxX

I went all the way there lol from bham... Didnt know it were cancelled

According to Carmen on Evthreads John's wife went into labor. Here's what she posted:


So, congrats to John and his wife.

i had tickets for this show and when i read on evanescence.com that it was canceled i was heartbroken because i brought my tickets the moment they went on presale and i've been so excited for ages, when i read it was a family emergency i thought it was fair enough, maybe someone has gotten seriously ill or worse, but now its going around that shelly has gone into labour, surely this was expected to happen at around this time and its a really poor reason to let down thousands of fans, i hope thats its not the true reason for why it was canceled, why arrange a tour when something like this might happen?

evanescence is my all time favourate band, i really really love them, but it seems they don't have much respect for their fans. I'm glad i found out it was canceled before i went all the way to manchester from kidderminster, but i feel for those who didn't know and got turned away when they got there.

its not a "rumour" that shelley went into labour, she actually did. and it is a good enough reason. family comes first. theres going to be chances for many more gigs but you only get one chance to see the birth of your kids. they knew shelley was due but the baby came a bit early. they thought they'd be able to get back in time and they nearly did, it was one day too early! and how can you say they have no respect for their fans? i went to the london gig and they we great, they came and signed all our shit and spoke to us for as long as they could. what do you wnat them to do give up their lives for us? Amy promised us they would make it up to us. and i believe her! i know its harsh for those who couldn't go, but these things do happen.

i had tickets for this show and when i read on evanescence.com that it was canceled i was heartbroken because i brought my tickets the moment they went on presale and i've been so excited for ages, when i read it was a family emergency i thought it was fair enough, maybe someone has gotten seriously ill or worse, but now its going around that shelly has gone into labour, surely this was expected to happen at around this time and its a really poor reason to let down thousands of fans, i hope thats its not the true reason for why it was canceled, why arrange a tour when something like this might happen?

evanescence is my all time favourate band, i really really love them, but it seems they don't have much respect for their fans. I'm glad i found out it was canceled before i went all the way to manchester from kidderminster, but i feel for those who didn't know and got turned away when they got there.
I understand that a lot of people are let down/disappointed at this. But, why would they put off having a whole tour, when a due date for a baby is not a sure thing until it happens? I'm sure they feel bad about having to cancel, but family is important, and the birth of a child is a big deal.

I'm with strawberrycentered on this one.

I cannot believe how understanding most of the fans are about this.

As far as I am concerned if you have chosen to be in the limelight then you need to step up and take the good with the bad especially when you have become as big as Evanescence.

And before anyone decides to slate me for the above and my lack of understanding I have experience in these matters i.e. I have two children and yes I was there for both of their births but I did not have a couple of thousand people waiting for me to show up.

Just take this scenario for instance:

I live in Johannesburg, South Africa. I booked a plane ticket to fly to London on Saturday night to see them at the Hammersmith Apollo on Monday; bought train tickets to go to Manchester on Tuesday; and then return to Johannesburg on Wednesday evening. I had also bought eight tickets off of eBay at astronomical prices i.e. ranging from between 170 GBP right up to 221 GBP for a pair. Not to mention hotel reservations that had to be cancelled at the last minute and cancellation fees were payable. Now as it turns out I had to cancel everything at the last minute and could not go so all of that money (with the possible exception of the train tickets) has been written off anyway. As it turns out my situation changed between Saturday and Monday morning and I was contemplating buying another plane ticket to leave on Monday night and go straight to Manchester to see the last concert as I had now already missed the London concert. I can tell you that had I done this I would have been more than just a little pissed off!

I am just fortuanate that I can afford to write off this amount of money but I feel really really sorry for those people that have had to save money, use up some of their leave, and looked forward to seeing the band for months and months on end.

I would be really interested to know just for the sake of it if there is some or the other rule of some law that applies here. I mean it would not apply to me of course (because I had to cancel my trip due to my own unforseen circumstances) and I know that the band could not be held liable for tickets bought off of eBay but I know for a fact that there are people who flew from the USA to the UK for instance specifically to go and see them again and had to make the same type of arrangements and incur the same type of costs as me. I can understand if one of the band members was ill or had become incapacitated and could just not physically perform on the night but this was not the case. At best the fans will get the face value of their tickets refunded and any other costs that they may well have incurred has to be written off and in my opinion either the band or Wind Up should be held accountable for these additional costs as well.

I can just imagine the slander coming my way after this message but so be it.

I am really disgusted with what has happened.

I guess that it is this type of thing that seperates the men from the boys. I can't see Ozzy or DIO or Sabbath having cancelled a concert for the same reason. As the saying goes 'the show must go on'.

Even although I could not make the trip I still feel let down by them.

I became absolutely obsessed and besotted with Evanescence about eighteen months or so ago but I can tell you this has cured me once and for all.

I have read some messages on other boards where people are putting on their Fallen or Open Door CD and crying about the fact that the concert has been cancelled and they will not be able to see Evanescence again for a long time.

I can tell you that from this minute on my Evanescence CD's and DVD's are going to make great coasters for coffee mugs and the like. I'm just sorry that I cannot use my official Evanescence tee shirts as cleaning cloths to clean my car (yes I eventually managed to buy some of the official merchandise and get it sent over here by DHL once again at a huge cost) because the decals on the tees will scratch the paintwork!

OK - now your chance. Bring it on!

Dale.

Dale,

I do see your point, but they cannot be held responsible for fans 'wasting' their hard earned money on major hiked up ebay ticket prices, or the over the top postage with regards to merch.
This was the last concert on this years tour, and I would imagine the reason for that was the baby's due date, if he/she decided to come early then john should definatly go home for the birth.
I too have paid crazy ebay prices, have used up valuable holidays, the tickets I bought were also a wedding present for my friends who were coming with me.
We are all very angry at the cancellation, at the very least they could have had a stand by for John in the event of an early baby, I mean are they all gonna pile into the delivery room? The last time they toured they managed to carry on without one member when Ben Moody walked out, so why does it have to be different now? I see no reason why a back up plan was not in place to prevent this cancellation :(
There should be no question of John flying stright home to be with his family, but why should the others?

I'm with strawberrycentered on this one.

I cannot believe how understanding most of the fans are about this.

As far as I am concerned if you have chosen to be in the limelight then you need to step up and take the good with the bad especially when you have become as big as Evanescence.


Right here's a thought for you.

They.
Are.
People!

Just because they're famous does not mean they exist purely to appease their fans, even if it is a worldwide cult following.

And it was one frucking show. Bands in the past have cancelled entire tour legs for less valid reasons than this. If the rest of the band decided they wanted to go home and support John and Shelly at this time then good for them. It's great to know they're that close that they feel its necissary.

And yes, if you've bought tickets from a source that is non-refundable (e.g. E-Bay) then that sucks but its a risk you take.

I can tell you that from this minute on my Evanescence CD's and DVD's are going to make great coasters for coffee mugs and the like. I'm just sorry that I cannot use my official Evanescence tee shirts as cleaning cloths to clean my car (yes I eventually managed to buy some of the official merchandise and get it sent over here by DHL once again at a huge cost) because the decals on the tees will scratch the paintwork!

That is such an immature attitude its not funny.

But anyways. Congratulations to John and Shelly hopefully John made it back in time to catch the birth.

if i was john and shelly was expecting her baby, i wouldn't be so far away so close to the birth date, i mean they had 9 months warning that this was going to happen, they shouldn't have been touring so close to the birth at all, they must have known that they might have to cancel, they should have at least had a stand in for john.

if i was john and shelly was expecting her baby, i wouldn't be so far away so close to the birth date, i mean they had 9 months warning that this was going to happen, they shouldn't have been touring so close to the birth at all, they must have known that they might have to cancel, they should have at least had a stand in for john.

Unfortunatly babies aren't as predictable as just nine months maybe she was due the second week in december and was premature? Given that last night was the last gig he would have been home in plenty time, yes they let a lot of people down but you only get one chance at being at the birth of your child, you can't hold that against him!
I just believe they should have had a stand in and the others should have stayed.

if i was john and shelly was expecting her baby, i wouldn't be so far away so close to the birth date, i mean they had 9 months warning that this was going to happen, they shouldn't have been touring so close to the birth at all, they must have known that they might have to cancel, they should have at least had a stand in for john.
I agree with pretty much all of what The Elmeister said. They are people, they can't please everyone. I find it great that they all went back home to be with John and Shelly at this point. Yes, they were expecting the baby, but like I said in a previous post, the due date of a baby isn't for certain until it happens. They may have had time to play the last gig, as labors can last for awhile, but I doubt they wanted to risk that he might miss the birth.

And as for your being pissed off about the money you spent that's nonrefundable, like from Ebay, well that's a chance you yourself took. Shit happens.
Yes, if they cancelled a show I was going to and made all these plans to go to, I'd be upset too, but it's called life.

The war is on!!!

For those of you who disagree with me read on:

In my original message in this regard you will notice if you actually took the time to read it properly that I do understand that nobody can be held responsible for eBay tickets or the high cost of shipping official merchandise. Those were choices I made and was well aware of the possible consequences.

However if you have bought airline tickets, made hotel reservations, bought train tickets, and incurred other costs specifically to go and see the artist then the artist should be held responsible for those costs depending on the reason for the cancellation.

Let me explain it in another way (different scenario). Let us say that my company provides computer training for other companies (our clients) and they pay for flights to our offices and book hotels to stay over for the duration of the training course which could be two or three days long. And let us say that the morning that the course was supposed to start my wife / girlfriend etc. etc. went in to early labour and I decided to cancel the course because of this. I can tell you that if you think that these clients would give me the thumbs up, a pat on the back, and tell me what a nice guy I am without expecting all of their expenses to be covered or refunded by my company you are living in a dream world! As a matter of fact even if I was involved in an accident and died when I was supposed to be providing the training they would still sue for damages. On the other hand if someone else at the company took over in this event then there would not have been a problem which is exactly what some of the more enlightened people on this board have suggested. There should have been a backup.

I am pretty sure that anyone who disagrees with my take on this probably was fortuanate enough to buy a ticket on presale (and probably bought eight to sell at least six of them for a profit on eBay) and then went around the corner in their hometown to see the band and came away smiling. I guarantee that if they had wasted thousands of their own currency to go and see the band and the show was cancelled for the same reason they would be singing a totally different tune.

And to everyone that is making excuses for Amy saying how bad she feels and that they are going to make it up to the fans. I hate to tell you this but I will pretty much guarantee that she slept well last night and was not just moping around because she felt so bad about cancelling the concert.

My point is that this was just not a valid reason. And, by the way, one of the concerts in France was also cancelled and I have not seen any reason or explanation from the band at all. Maybe someone could enlighten me.

I would also be interested to know if she had already had the baby by the time that they got back to the USA. Why does this make a difference? Because if that was the case then he had missed the event anyway so another couple of hours would not then have made a difference.

And while I am bitching there is another thing that I feel extremely strongly about and that is this business of buying and reselling tickets on eBay at huge profits. I know that from reading these and threads on evboard.com there were many many fans who could not buy any presale tickets because they were already sold out in a matter of hours (minutes) and these fans could not afford the eBay prices and were even prepared to take the chance of going to stand outside the venues in the hope of being able to buy a ticket at a reasonable price. Due to where I am at in life I could afford to pay 200 GBP and upwards for a pair of tickets but your average Evanescence fan is not in this position and they make up the bulk of the fan base and are being excluded. Now I don't blame the artists for this but I am sure that they could put some weight behind trying to stop this practice. I stand to be corrected on this but somewhere I read or heard that Madonna had actually cancelled a concert because she was unhappy about the fact that this practice was going on and made it quite clear that she would not perform if this was happening. I'm not sure if it was her though. Once again maybe someone could clarify this. This practice is disgusting and to be honest it is probably because of people like me that it is taking place i.e. if nobody bought tickets off of eBay at hugely inflated prices then nobody would bother trying to list them in the first place. Believe it or not even in our so-called 'third world country' we at least have laws in place in an attempt to stop this practice. It is not foolproof but it does help to a certain extent.

And by the way - yes - they are people - but they have also chosen to be stars and that carries with it a certain responsibilty especially to the their base. Being a musician is a calling not just a job and when you have been given this sort of talen you don't take it for granted. This is no different than this bunch of hollywood stars who want people to recognise them and kiss their arses but by the same token wont put up with the paparazzi. Get with the program people. If you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.

Bottom line is that this was just not a life or death situation. It was an emotional desicion that cost a lot of people a lot of money and they did not get what they paid for not to mention (in some cases) the emotional distress.

Watch this space. In America they are 'litigation happy' (for want of a better description) and it would not surprise me in the least if some rich kids father takes the band, Wind Up, or Sony BMG on (although you probably would not get to hear about the outcome or out of court settlement).

It really is a pity because the band as a whole are (were) outstanding.

Actually I am a guitarist in a hard rock band as a sideline and I have just come up with the title of an new song that we will dedicate to Evanescence at our next gig. It's called "Call Me When You're All Growed Up". I'll sort out the lyrics as I go along. Do you think it will get on the charts?

I think I have just about covered all of your responses so far. Let's keep going!

Regards,

Dale.

You know, I've just sat back and tried not to get involved in this, because although I was pretty damn upset that it was cancelled, there's seriously no point whinging about it.

John made the right decision for him, and one I would have made. I think it's great that the rest of the band wanted to be there and be supportive too.

We've waited this long, what's a little longer wait hm? To me, the wait will be worth it, and when I finally get to see them live, it'll be awesome.

So quit whinging about missing it, these things happen, they can't help it, and they tried their best.

I wish them all the best, and I'll be waiting for my chance to see them again :)

Why should the band be responsible for your lost money when you chose to do all that stuff? No one twisted your arm to book flights, hotel rooms, etc. I understand that you wanted to see the band. I for one, wouldn't go through all that to see a band, but if you want to, then that's your choice.

Yes, they are in a very popular band & they have responsibilities with that band. But it was one show. ONE show. If it was another show that got cancelled, you wouldn't be so quick to make judgements about how wrong it is that they cancelled the show.

Again, even if she had had the baby by the time they reached home, how would they have known that? I'm sure they wanted to take the chance and try to make it back before the baby's birth. Who can blame them for that?

How exactly are they taking their fame for granted? Is that because they cancelled the show to go back home so John could be with his wife & the band could be there to support him? I would find it weird had they not done what they did.

You're basically just whining because of your lost expenses. And again, that's understandable but you were the one who chose to go all out like that. Not a lot of people can do stuff like that, so you should be happy that you at least can do that, no matter if it got cancelled and whatnot.

And as for the Ebay thing. Blame the people who put up tickets for outrageous prices. And in a way, you're supporting those people by buying those tickets.

Actually I am a guitarist in a hard rock band as a sideline and I have just come up with the title of an new song that we will dedicate to Evanescence at our next gig. It's called "Call Me When You're All Growed Up". I'll sort out the lyrics as I go along. Do you think it will get on the charts?

And that makes you sound so grown-up and mature.

You know - you should be thanking me - not getting on my case.

I did not start this thread because I lost money. Once again - if you bothered to actually read my messages I had to cancel my trip so any money I lost and had to write off was my fault entirely and I cannot and am not holding the band responsible for this. However - had it had not been for unforseen circumstances and I did in fact go to see them then that would have been a different story entirely and you can bet your arse that I would have stopped off at my lawyers office before even going home from the airport and as a matter of fact I am going to call him tomorrow anyway just to find out for interest sake if there is any type of legal precedent in this regard. My point is that if flying overseas to go for a holiday and going to see a band is incidental to the fact that you are in the right place at the right time and if the concert was then cancelled and you got the money back for your tickets then no problem. In that case I agree - shit happens. But if you make all of these arrangements and incur these costs as a direct result of the artists undertaking to perform at a certain time and then not performing for whatever reason then I'm almost sure that there consequences and if there are no consequences then there should be.

I mean - where do you draw the line? So Amy gets a headache before a show and decides she just does not want to perform that night. Is that a good enough reason? Or someone else in the band has a bad hangover and does not feel like performing on another night? Where do you draw the line?

If you want my personal opinion (which I know you don't) there is far more to this cancellation than meets the eye. I hate to dissapoint you but I'll put money on it that the real reason was that they were all tired and wanted to be back home for thanksgiving which is tomorrow I think. I'll bet that they thought 'Oh well, we have performed in London already so what the hell'.

Just remember it is a business as well - that is why it is called the 'enterainment business'. Selling tickets to the public forms part of a contract between the artist and the patron (you had better look that word up in the dictionary because you seem to have difficulty in understanding or comprehending the content of my posts) and the spirit of that contract is that you pay to me (the artist) a certain amount of money and I (the artist) will in return perform for you.

And - as I said before - it was not only one concert that was cancelled this time around but two. Did you get that? Two concerts were cancelled not only one. I don't know how else to explain that to you. And I would still like to know why the one concert in France was cancelled.

Again - if you bothered to read my posts carefully - I fully agree with you that it is people like me that encourage the sale of tickets on eBay and I can tell you that it was the first time that I had done this and I will never do it again because only now do I realize how disgusting this practice is and yes it is because of people liek me that some poor kid or the other could not get tickets. The irony of the whole thing is that those who could not get tickets for Manchester have the last laugh.

You and I are coming from two different points of view. You are looking at this from the point of an emotional loyal fan (hero worship) and up until the time that this fiasco happened I felt pretty much the same way about them. But I would feel really sorry for you if you had made the same type of arrangements that I made and actually gone all of that way to see them because of your loyalty and they had let you down for the reason that they did. All I'm saying is don't get too hung up on this hero worship thing. Even stars can make bad decisions and mess up from time to time. I just don't think that because they are artists that they should be a law unto their own. The reason that they cancelled was not due to circumstances beyond their control. That is the point I'm trying to make. Get it? Got it? Good!

Hope to hear from you soon.

By the way - just for you - I'll send you a demo of our new song! Sure you'll love it!

Dale.

I've tried to sit back and just read about this, but I can't. This post is mainly directed at dpaterso, but there are some things that I would like to say to everyone as well.

Dale, I have to say that I agree with a lot of what you say. They are stars, and because they are in the limelight they have a certain responsibility to the public. You mention that stardom is a calling, but in show business, it's also a job. That's why they call it show business. So yes, I agree that they have obligations to their fans, and they should do all they can to oblige.

*BUT*

You seem to talk of the band as though they are heartless stoic performers and that they just care about themselves. But to be perfectly honest, after spending time with John and Rocky, I realized that they are still just people. People that care a hell of a lot for their fans and family. Take the EvBoard party in Little Rock last summer. The band was asked to attend. Who showed? John and Rocky. They chilled with us for a few hours and couldn'tve been more attentive to their fans. We saw them interact with their family, and they stayed long enough to talk to each and every fan at the party before the concert that night. John even mentioned (and I quote) "Evanescence normally wouldn't be caught dead at something like this, except for the ones that keep it real."

And after getting to know Jimmy (John's brother), I can tell you right now that John did not make a selfish decision in canceling the show; he made a loving decision. You have no idea how close that family is, and quite honestly I wish TheQueen was still around to attest to it as well.

I've seen a lot of people say they could have gotten a stand-in for John. Honestly, I think that's bullshit. And I think people going so far as to say that they could replace everyone but Amy is heartless. She is not the band. She's a part of the band. I am also in a band, and I would be highly offended if someone said that I could replace my other band member because "I'm the only one that's irreplaceable." Amy didn't get famous by herself. All you people that love Taking Over Me and All That I'm Living For? Yeah, you love John's musical writing. That was John, not Amy. All you people that love My Immortal, that was Ben. All you people that love Tourniquet, that was Rocky. Stop acting like everyone is replaceable except Amy. It makes me sick.

Maybe my distaste for these comments is a little exaggerated since it would have been for just a concert or two, but in my mind, it's just in poor taste to even think it.

I'm not even touching this eBay thing, since it has nothing to do with the band itself. Maybe the ticket company should have a limit on how many you can buy at a time. Maybe the do, I don't know. Regardless, that has nothing to do with the band. So, leave your exorbitant expenses out of it, because it was your choice to pay that much on eBay. Not the band's.

To live the life of a performer can be rough. You miss a lot of things in your personal life when on tour. This birth was obviously something they didn't want to miss. And as mentioned earlier, they wouldn't tour until Terry was ready.

Last thought... At least they didn't pull a Guns n Roses and refuse to play because they couldn't drink on stage. Now that's a selfish and inconsiderate reason to cancel.

You know - you should be thanking me - not getting on my case.

had not been for unforseen circumstances and I did in fact go to see them then that would have been a different story entirely and you can bet your arse that I would have stopped off at my lawyers office before even going home from the airport and as a matter of fact I am going to call him tomorrow anyway just to find out for interest sake if there is any type of legal precedent in this regard.

thank you? what have you done to deserve a thank you? and as far as taking legal action, they'll just laugh you out of the building! concerts get cancelled all the time, its one of those things. it sucks yes, but gigs have been cancelled for crappier reasons. the ticket companies are doing refunds, thats the best they can do.

I mean - where do you draw the line? So Amy gets a headache before a show and decides she just does not want to perform that night. Is that a good enough reason? Or someone else in the band has a bad hangover and does not feel like performing on another night? Where do you draw the line?

If you want my personal opinion (which I know you don't) there is far more to this cancellation than meets the eye. I hate to dissapoint you but I'll put money on it that the real reason was that they were all tired and wanted to be back home for thanksgiving which is tomorrow I think. I'll bet that they thought 'Oh well, we have performed in London already so what the hell'.

OK now you're just speaking out of anger. do you really truly think amy would cancel a gig for a headache. need i remind you about 2004 when she continued to perform although she had nodules. in the end she did have to cancel a gig because she was hospitalised.

the REAL reason they cancelled was coz john wanted to see the birth of his baby. END OF. if it was just coz they were tired would they have really flown out first thing in the morning? would they have stayed out with us in london, chatting and signing stuf til late into the night? if they were really as callous as you're making out they wouldn't have done any of this. you mentioned in a previous post that Ozzy didn't miss gigs for the birth of his kids. read interviews with kelly and jack and you will see that this is one of the reasons they got a little skrewed up. i've heard kelly speak about her dad being absent a lot and it really damaged her.

And - as I said before - it was not only one concert that was cancelled this time around but two. Did you get that? Two concerts were cancelled not only one. I don't know how else to explain that to you. And I would still like to know why the one concert in France was cancelled.

i have no idea why the gig in france was cancelled. there has been nothing posted on the website so the general concensus is that it was the venue and not the band.

You and I are coming from two different points of view. You are looking at this from the point of an emotional loyal fan (hero worship) and up until the time that this fiasco happened I felt pretty much the same way about them. But I would feel really sorry for you if you had made the same type of arrangements that I made and actually gone all of that way to see them because of your loyalty and they had let you down for the reason that they did. All I'm saying is don't get too hung up on this hero worship thing. Even stars can make bad decisions and mess up from time to time. I just don't think that because they are artists that they should be a law unto their own. The reason that they cancelled was not due to circumstances beyond their control. That is the point I'm trying to make. Get it? Got it? Good!

Hope to hear from you soon.

By the way - just for you - I'll send you a demo of our new song! Sure you'll love it!

Dale.

oh dont be such an ass! i tried to listen to your point of view but now you're just being stupid and immature. i do sympathise with you but just try and gain a little perspective. you say that we view the band in a hero worship way but thats you! we see them as real people with their own families but it seems you just see them as objects for your entertainment!

oh and you said you expected abuse from your first post... why are you having a go then if you knew we were just gonna get angry. sounds to me like you just want to fuel the fire and start an arguement.

Dale, I have to say that I agree with a lot of what you say. They are stars, and because they are in the limelight they have a certain responsibility to the public. You mention that stardom is a calling, but in show business, it's also a job. That's why they call it show business. So yes, I agree that they have obligations to their fans, and they should do all they can to oblige.

everyone should get paternity leave no matter what their job is

Getting a headache or having a hangover is a different story than John's wife having a baby. You can take a pill for headache, and it goes away. If one of members went out and got drunk the night before show, then that's their fault and they'd have to deal with it.
You can't stop a woman from giving birth.

And even if they were tired & wanted to be home for Thanksgiving, I'm sure they're used to not always being at home on a holiday. If they had still played the show, they still would've made it back home to spend time with their families, whether it was tomorrow or not when they did so. You're making it out like they're a bunch of babies/whimps for going back home.

And please, don't insult my intelligence. It doesn't make you seem smarter in the least.

I'm quite aware of what it means to buy a ticket and for an artist to perform. I'm not stupid, contrary to what you might think. Bands have to cancel shows all the damn time. It happens. And sometimes for much more trivial reasons than this. As for the show in France, like I said, show cancellations happen. Get over it. There can be and are many reasons a band may have to cancel a show.

And where do you get off that I 'hero worship' them? Because I'm stating my opinion, which happens to defend them? I'm not a 12-year-old obsessed fan who thinks the ground they walk on is holy & that they can never make mistakes.

And like I said, I would never go to the extremes as you did to see a band. So I would never be in that situation. Things happen all the time, plans go wrong. That's a risk that you took when you planned everything.

everyone should get paternity leave no matter what their job is

You COMPLETELY missed the point of my post. Read the rest of it please.

You COMPLETELY missed the point of my post. Read the rest of it please.

i did read the whole of your post and i agree with what you said. i didn't miss the point of your post at all. i recognise that it is a job and yes like every job you have to work hard to ensure your customers or in this case public are ... well served. i was just saying that john was taking paternity leave like any other worker. do you get me?

there is a whole lotta crap and drama goign on in here. a lot of valid points have been made on both sides but the one thing that is really irritating me is how dale keeps saying that had outside circumstances not forced him to cancel his trip, the band should refund his money and his analogy to a work related trip.

there is a complete difference. people spend money on concerts because it is a luxury. it is an extra in life. though it is fun and a great time, you dont need to go to a concert to be a fan or to survive in life. to go to a workshop that may be mandated for a job or would help you get a job is a whole other story.

you can compare the two. when you spend money on a concert or a trip, all that is on you. you decided to spend your money on an extra in life. no one made you go or spend your money.


could the show have gone on? yes
did it? no.

so fucking let it go people.

if you had tickets to the show and couldnt go, we sympathize and it's understandable that youre upset. i would be too. if they happen to cancel the canada shows i plan on going to, ill be pissed to but ill get over it and ill still go and have fun anyway because the money will have been spent on the hotel by then anyway.

they will tour again, they will make it up. you will have a chance to see them again


oh and about the presale - the fanclub puts a limit on it to two tickets per person. i dont know about the limits for just the pw. and honestly, is it right to buy a lot and jack up the prices? no. but it's plain economics. supply and demand. no one is forcing you to buy the tickets at astronomical prices. people who can afford them will buy them and people who cannot will have to wait till next time.

life is unfair. most people learn that early enough in life to not bitch and moan about everything.

I'm just amazed at the immaturity of some people, it's really sad. :(

It's over and done with, live with it. :rolleyes:

And once again, Congrats John and Shelly!:cool:

i did read the whole of your post and i agree with what you said. i didn't miss the point of your post at all. i recognise that it is a job and yes like every job you have to work hard to ensure your customers or in this case public are ... well served. i was just saying that john was taking paternity leave like any other worker. do you get me?

I completely agree with you sunshine, that's why I said you didn't understand my post. I'm siding with the band's decision to cancel. A birth is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I don't fault them at all for canceling. Sure it's disappointing to people that were looking forward to it, but life goes on.

This could go on for days!

I stand to gain nothing (financially) out of posting these messages and giving my opinion.

I'm just amazed that you feel compelled to make any excuse under the sun to protect their integrity. Like you said - you would not go to the extremes that I was prepared to go to go to see them live. That should tell you just how besotted I was with them. Hell - I'm the one that should making excuses for them - not you. Now I'm dissapointed with them after all this time. It's not a great feeling.

The bottom line here is that if John was giving birth - that's one thing. Hell - if Amy went into labour just before the show - that's also understandable (although that would open up a whole new discussion like 'why did they plan a tour when they knew that this was a real possibility'). All I a trying to say is that I would understand any artist cancelling a concert due to circumstances beyond their control. This was not beyond their control.

As far as Jack and Kelly Osbourne is concerned that argument does not hold water. They did not go off the rails because Ozzy was not present at their births! Ozzy and Sharon have always said that the fans come first. And that to me is the trademark of a real entertainer. The old school!

As far as them being a close family I do understand what that means.

As a matter of fact - for those of you who think that I am just being callous and unfair about this whole thing - let me tell you my whole story:

After booking an airline ticket, train tickets, hotels, buying eBay tickets, and buying official tour merchandise etc. etc. the reason that I called the trip off was that minutes before I was supposed to get in the car and go to the airport my seven year old son went hysterical and begged me not to go overseas (him and I have not spent a day apart since his birth) and I just could not do this to him because he was so upset. That is how close I am to my son. I just felt that if it had been my best friend dying in hospital or something like that in the UK then that would have been a different story as it would then have (literally) been a matter of life or death. This was, after all, just a rock concert i.e. not a necessity or a matter of life or death for me. But I can tell you that if that was the way that I made my living and I was good enough and talented enough to get where they are today then he would just have had to understand (although if that were the case you can bet your arse that he would have been right there with me backstage).

I'm not saying that they are bad or cold people and this funny enough is one of the things that sets them apart from the rest. All I am saying is that I do not feel that the reason for cancelling the concert was a valid one and therefore someone (any artist for that matter) should be held accountable.

I probably respect John as a man for his decision. As a performer however I question his integrity.

And once again (this seems to pass everbody by and I just cannot understand it). I do not and will not and cannot hold the band responsible for me or anyone else that bought tickets on eBay at inflated prices and I firmly believe that someone should come up with a system that stops this practice. That's a reason why you should be thanking me. I am concerned about the fans (any fan) who could not buy tickets at a reasonable price simply because they could not afford it because others had scooped up as many presale tickets as they possibly could have and then sold them to the highest bidder for a profit.

And by the way xFarther_Awayx - I impressed at how much you think you have learned between the age of twelve and sixteen!

As far as being laughed out of the building - you'd be shocked and surprised - believe you me. In the past I have taken on one or two things and I was told to not waste my time but in both cases I won. Experience has taught me that unless you know the law don't quote it or make assumptions. If you've got enough money, and make a big enough noise, believe you me - there is always a loophole if you have good (and very expensive) legal council.

Dale.

Okay I say let's stop whining about it and get over it.
It's done and over with. You can't change it by complaining.

<3 Michelle

OK - I agree.

I just felt that what happened raised some interesting issues.

Oh and xFarther_Awayx - sorry - I'm was being a bit personal in my last comment to you. It was not called for. Sorry.

Dale.

And I also don't have the means to go those extremes either, but that's a different story.

John is a man and a performer. I don't see how you can respect him as one and not the other. Had he not went home, I'm sure many people would be wondering why he didn't go home. For someone so 'besotted' with them, I would think you would understand why they canceled. I still don't see how you think it's not a valid reason.


And by the way xFarther_Awayx - I impressed at how much you think you have learned between the age of twelve and sixteen!

So you said you're sorry, but what exactly are you getting at with that statement?

I promised myself I'd stay out of this, but... *sigh*

...my seven year old son went hysterical and begged me not to go overseas (him and I have not spent a day apart since his birth) and I just could not do this to him because he was so upset. That is how close I am to my son. I just felt that if it had been my best friend dying in hospital or something like that in the UK then that would have been a different story as it would then have (literally) been a matter of life or death. This was, after all, just a rock concert i.e. not a necessity or a matter of life or death for me. But I can tell you that if that was the way that I made my living and I was good enough and talented enough to get where they are today then he would just have had to understand (although if that were the case you can bet your arse that he would have been right there with me backstage).

It's not a life or death situation for you, so why would it be for John? Can't he love his family as much as you love your son? So what if it's his job, his way of living? Wouldn't you be able (or at least want) to leave your job if your wife was having a baby so you could be with her? I think you very much would.

As far as being laughed out of the building - you'd be shocked and surprised - believe you me. In the past I have taken on one or two things and I was told to not waste my time but in both cases I won. Experience has taught me that unless you know the law don't quote it or make assumptions. If you've got enough money, and make a big enough noise, believe you me - there is always a loophole if you have good (and very expensive) legal council.

Dale.

i thought you were annoyed about being out of pocket? so you want to spend more money to make a point and sue them?

as you said this could go on for days. the thread on evthreads got locked and i suggest they do the same here.

as you said this could go on for days. the thread on evthreads got locked and i suggest they do the same here.I agree. This thread really isn't going anywhere. I'm sure it'll be locked as soon as a mod comes on...

Also..

I've stayed out of this as much as I can. But I really can't do it anymore.

Personally, I think John made a good choice. He obviously cares about his family, and that makes him a good person.

I also think you're being ignorant and completely selfish. So essentially you think the band should be a source of entertainment and stop being real people? I'm sorry, but that is revolting.

So you're thinking about suing the band for this? Is that it? Are you kidding me???? That's just sad.

As for that snide remark you gave to xFarther_Awayx, you really need to get a reality check. There was absolutely NO need for that.

So get over it. It's really not a big deal. It's not like you were required to go. It's a concert, it's not like you missed aliens coming to Earth.

Okay, this has gone ABSOLUTELY far enough. John's wife went into labor, they ran home to be with her, the concert was cancelled, end of story. No need to bitch about it.

You have taken this too far, and thus this thread is locked.