Has nobody seen this yet?!?!?! I was listening to Howard Stern this morning on KROCK and he was talking about the fight between the Detroit Pistons and the Indiana Pacers this past weekend. I was very interested because they seemed to put a lot of "feelings" in their words...like it was a big deal. So I come home, download the video, and I couldn't believe what I saw. MAYHEM!!
Has anybody see this? What's your take on: the fans, the Pistons, the Pacers.
I'm interested in seeing what the Michigan and Indiana people have to say:p.
E-Unit
11-22-2004, 06:49 PM
I heard about it this morning. Does anyone know how the fight got started??
Ceez
11-22-2004, 06:51 PM
I heard about it this morning. Does anyone know how the fight got started??
I do. Ben Wallace drove to the basket for an easy layup/dunk (who knows) and Ron Artest fouled him pretty hard from behind. Then Ben Wallace retaliated and shoved Artest's face. Artest was pretty cool about it. Wallace was fired up. You know...yada yada yada. Testosterone overload. :rolleyes: Then a fan from the stand throws a cup of beer/water(?) and that enfuriates Artest. Artest goes into the stands and all hell breaks loose. Some fans came on the court, fought with the players. Liquor being thrown everywhere. IT WAS NUTS!!!!
Even though the fans are at fault for fueling the fire, Ron Artest could have defused the situation by either pointing the fan out in the stands or running back into the locker room area. I'm sure Rick Carlisle would have understood because the Pacers were going to win anyway.
He is my least favorite athlete in not just basketball today, but in the history of sports.
He's so cocky and yet it's not like he ever led his team to a World Championship.
He's not a team player.
He only cares about his fucking rap album (which comes out tomorrow by the way :rolleyes: )
and he's overrated anyway.
If I was ever his coach, his ass would have been traded or cut.
Dark Aurora
11-22-2004, 09:12 PM
He's not a team player.
He only cares about his fucking rap album (which comes out tomorrow by the way :rolleyes: )
and he's overrated anyway.
At least now he has the time off he wanted to promote it :p
It was lame, just makes detroit look even worse
Katya
11-22-2004, 10:02 PM
I saw some of it. What bestiality. Humanity at its lowest, right there. Disgusting, IMO.
...A rap album?! Please tell me you're joking...
Ugh. Jackasses.
Ceez
11-22-2004, 10:09 PM
...A rap album?! Please tell me you're joking...I wish he WAS, but he's serious.
Miles D
11-22-2004, 11:25 PM
Seems like more and more NBA players have attitudes. A line has to be drawn somewhere. Artest and the others went way over it, and I'd like to see criminal charges on Artest. That would set an example. Also, I would also think if the NBA ran itself as a business, they would "fire" Artest because he assaulted a customer... a paying customer. (regardless if he's unruly, the customer is "always right").
Security also has responsiblilty to escort and arrest blatently obnoxious / dangerous fans immediately.
ROXANNE
11-22-2004, 11:34 PM
I think the fight was pretty bad, but I think people are making too big a deal about it. Fans and teams have brawls like this all the time. But there were many at fault. The fans should not have been throwing things at the players, and the players should have been adult enough to leave and not let it escalate into what it did.
The Real OC
11-23-2004, 01:04 AM
The bad thing is that it's spreading. The next day the South Carolina Gamecocks vs. Clemson Tigers football game broke out into a brawl late in the fourth quarter. What an end to the Lou Holtz legacy. I'm glad we've got Spurrier coming in because I hate Holtz, but I feel bad it had to end that way. Also, the punishments were just handed out and neither team can play in a bowl game this year...which ENDS Holtz's career...and our one objective this year was to get to a bowl game. I give athletes TWO THUMBS DOWN for being idiots in not being able to control themselves playing sports which they love and are fun...ruining the game for the rest of us. I just hope this stuff doesn't continue on much longer.
Ceez
11-23-2004, 01:08 AM
I just hope this stuff doesn't continue on much longer...well, it happens every year with Knicks/Heat and other rival teams. Doesn't seem to be dying down.
The Real OC
11-23-2004, 01:12 AM
..well, it happens every year with Knicks/Heat and other rival teams. Doesn't seem to be dying down.
Yea...also with Florida/Florida State and a few other rivalries. I should have specified the crowd interaction. At USC/Clem some of the crowd actually left the stands like European soccer match. Kinda crazy to see so many people get pissed off over a sport. I played soccer for 13 years, basketball for 5, and tennis for 3 and I never was affected enough by it to get that pissed. It's just a sport...
Cfw828
11-23-2004, 01:47 AM
The host of the morning show that I intern at made a very good point.
It's the violent culture that we live in today that is the macrocosm of this small event.
Things like the turkey incident in Ronkonkoma, Long Island where teenagers threw a turkey through some poor lady's windshield (and she may never fully recover from it).
Other brawls in sports as you mentioned...my boss uses the bullpen incident at Fenway Park with Jeff Nelson and Karim Garcia from a year ago.
It builds and builds and it just exploded that night.
I'd like to add Jeff Brown to the list of people who's asses I'd like to kick. He's the one who threw the cup of alcohol (which he wasn't supposed to drink because he was on probation) onto Ron Artest.
Artest jumps into the stands and nails the wrong guy.
cloud9x
11-23-2004, 01:50 AM
Damn. I was really, really disappointed when I saw that brawl.
Kinda depressing. :rolleyes:
mbmanus
11-23-2004, 11:10 AM
Throw everybody in jail i say.
Miles D
11-23-2004, 01:29 PM
Did anyone see Artest's interview on the "Today" show? He totally dodged that quesiton as to what he thinks is appropriate punishment for his actions.
Plus, he says he's coming out with his own R&B cd about peace and love.
Not exactly the brightest lightbulb on the planet.
ToB
11-23-2004, 01:30 PM
Did anyone see Artest's interview on the "Today" show? He totally dodged that quesiton as to what he thinks is appropriate punishment for his actions.
Plus, he says he's coming out with his own R&B cd about peace and love.
Not exactly the brightest lightbulb on the planet.
Ron Artest totally blows my theory of an Intelligent Designer. :(
el_cid
11-23-2004, 02:22 PM
Yea...also with Florida/Florida State and a few other rivalries. I should have specified the crowd interaction. At USC/Clem some of the crowd actually left the stands like European soccer match. Kinda crazy to see so many people get pissed off over a sport. I played soccer for 13 years, basketball for 5, and tennis for 3 and I never was affected enough by it to get that pissed. It's just a sport...
I think that somebody here at Clemson still has that USC helmet ;)
fake edit: oh, wait, Yusef Kelly threw it into the good seats so the guy gave it back.
Here it is:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v385/el_cid/uschelmet400.jpg
But yeah, IMHO the nba wasn't harsh enough on Jermaine O'neil. He ran across the court and punched a guy in the face who posed no physical threat to him, even if he was on the court. That, and if I was david stern, I would have booted Steven Jackson for the year as well. The nba has really become a 'thug league' lately, and if they want to change their image, they're going to have to do more to crack down people being asshats.
cypha_skillz
11-23-2004, 02:58 PM
i have to disagree with the whole nba being a 'thug league'...although i do understand what you're tryna say. you gotta understand, most of these guys came from the hood. ron artest came from queensbridge (thas right around my way, and it ain't the prettiest neighborhood) so i guess some of 'em take the street mentality with 'em on the court. i don't think that's right, but i'm not takin away from artest's abilities to play basketball. i think the whole thing was bad, both the players AND the fans havta take responsibility. that joint was nuts though. and as for ball players makin albums, umm i heard pretty much all of 'em and most of 'em suck. can't blame 'em for tryin though, i don't think they're tryna sell records. i think they're just doin what they like.
peace.
Cfw828
11-23-2004, 04:58 PM
He totally dodged that quesiton as to what he thinks is appropriate punishment for his actions.
That's because he simply doesn't care.
He simply doesn't care.
And for the money he gets paid, I'll care. He blew 4+ million dollars away.
I'd be even MORE pissed if that happened, then getting kicked out of a sport for a year.
debra
11-23-2004, 05:13 PM
indiana here. The cup had coffee in it. Artest got suspended for the WHOLE season. And, ya know, we all make mistakes. And I don't watch the NBA, I watch the news,and college BasketBall.
deb
ToB
11-23-2004, 05:23 PM
indiana here. The cup had coffee in it. Artest got suspended for the WHOLE season. And, ya know, we all make mistakes. And I don't watch the NBA, I watch the news,and college BasketBall.
deb
Artest himself said it was beer. Go figure.
Still, no excuse. If he feels unsafe in an arena, he should tell the officials and the officials and security should handle it. He's an idiot for taking it into his own hands, and furthermore, a common street thug.
debra
11-24-2004, 11:52 AM
Artest himself said it was beer. Go figure.
Still, no excuse. If he feels unsafe in an arena, he should tell the officials and the officials and security should handle it. He's an idiot for taking it into his own hands, and furthermore, a common street thug.
yeah, I watched the news again y'day, while the board was getting a makeover, and I was gonna fix it, but, well YOU know. Anyway, I think it was all planned. Artest had asked for time off to promote his cd about a week ago. Larry gave him like 3 days, and that game was his first back. Well, now he has plenty of time off. Coincidence? I think not. I bet there is a lot of money floating around about now to the players and fans involved. Plus, Artest really seems very blase about it, like he could care less. I say SET UP.
deb
Hiro
11-24-2004, 02:09 PM
Did anyone see Artest's interview on the "Today" show? He totally dodged that quesiton as to what he thinks is appropriate punishment for his actions.
Plus, he says he's coming out with his own R&B cd about peace and love.
Not exactly the brightest lightbulb on the planet."Let's just move on. Buy my CD!!!" What an idiot. I kept thinking, his publicist must be hiding in cave somewhere. What a disaster.
What I really liked was when the Players Union President came and said "Well I think you can see Ron's not very articulate." Understatement of the year!
el_cid
11-24-2004, 03:41 PM
yeah, I watched the news again y'day, while the board was getting a makeover, and I was gonna fix it, but, well YOU know. Anyway, I think it was all planned. Artest had asked for time off to promote his cd about a week ago. Larry gave him like 3 days, and that game was his first back. Well, now he has plenty of time off. Coincidence? I think not. I bet there is a lot of money floating around about now to the players and fans involved. Plus, Artest really seems very blase about it, like he could care less. I say SET UP.
deb
Artest attacked the wrong fan. The guy who threw the cup was on ESPN last night and pointed himself out in the video. He was the guy with the white hat and a blue jersey. The guy that Artest attacked, a future millionare, didn't do anything.
I seriously doubt that he would have set this up, considering the amount of money that he's going to lose in lawsuits.
Jason Voorhees
11-24-2004, 03:49 PM
I heard about this, and I definately agree with the suspension that Artest got. True, fans aren't supposed to throw things at the athletes but at the same time, the athletes themselves are supposed to remain in control at all times, no matter what happens. I remember awhile back during a hockey game, I can't remember who was playing but I think it was the Leafs/Oilers in Edmonton, some fan who was sitting behind the Leafs bench poured beer on the coach's head, which resulted in Domi attempting to go over the glass and after the fan. In both cases, the fan caused it, but the players should have remained in control. The hockey situation wasn't quite as bad as the NBA one, but it shows that this stuff has been happening for awhile, and it happens in all sports. I think something similar to the Leafs/Oilers incident happened during a Flames/Oilers game also.
debra
11-24-2004, 03:50 PM
Artest attacked the wrong fan. The guy who threw the cup was on ESPN last night and pointed himself out in the video. He was the guy with the white hat and a blue jersey. The guy that Artest attacked, a future millionare, didn't do anything.
I seriously doubt that he would have set this up, considering the amount of money that he's going to lose in lawsuits.
that is one thing to consider, but I think the lawsuits are a ruse, to make everyone think that it was not a set up. Things are just too convenient. I mean, he was on the news, promoting his disc, all that the day after the suspension. I guess we will all see if it ever goes to court, but I am not holding my breath.
deb
Cfw828
11-24-2004, 04:01 PM
As an athlete in any league, you are paid well enough to handle such abuse.
No amount of money is worth losing a job like that where you get to play a sport that you love and that you're good at and you get paid a shit load of money to do it.
debra
11-24-2004, 04:23 PM
As an athlete in any league, you are paid well enough to handle such abuse.
No amount of money is worth losing a job like that where you get to play a sport that you love and that you're good at and you get paid a shit load of money to do it.
I know Artest loves the game, but seems to me like he is making a BIG deal outta this whole producer thing, almost as if that is where he wanted to be anyway. Pacers had 8 players total last night, and they KICKED ASS, so in way, I wonder if maybe they knew, and are moving on and showing they can still win without him (and the other players, as it JUST SO HAPPENS Artest is getting all the publicity).
deb
The Real OC
12-01-2004, 03:09 AM
Yo clemmy, in response to this picture you posted of having our helmet...
I think that somebody here at Clemson still has that USC helmet ;)
fake edit: oh, wait, Yusef Kelly threw it into the good seats so the guy gave it back.
Here it is:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v385/el_cid/uschelmet400.jpg
I'm going to post this picture showing our team (including Coach Holtz) getting a litte action on one of your boys...
they're going to have to do more to crack down people being asshats.
...and I AM the asshat extraordinare
el_cid
12-01-2004, 05:05 PM
Don't get me wrong Open Canvas, I'm no clemson fan. In fact, I rather dislike this Clemson. To make an SAT analogy:
the cid's hate: clemson
A.) sky: big
B.) ocean: deep
c.) mt. everest: huge
d.) yusef kelley: unforgiving
e.) Confucius: reasoned
If you answered a, b, c, d, or e, you win.
Oh, and about 6 guys on the team were suspended for the first game of next year.
The Real OC
12-01-2004, 06:06 PM
e.) Confucius: reasoned
Actually, that's my answer...and the reason I believe that is because I know he DIDN'T go to ANY South Carolina school. I'm a huge fan for USC's sports...except football. Well, I am a football fan now that Spurrier's in town...grrr, I HATED ol' Lou. Yea, we have guys suspended, but I have a feeling with Spurriers new game plan, they might not fit in that well anyways. And yet I'm glad they got suspended. I personally think they should have been kicked out of NCAA sanctioned sports. Just like Artest and them originally ejected from the NBA should have. That behavior is completely non-tolerable, and the fact that they'll still let them play shows that they can do it again...just not right
