A few of us are curious as to what the band thinks about a small issue...so here goes.

I'm not sure if you guys are all aware, but over the past couple months, a few contests have popped up in which we, the fans, vote for the favorite band/person in order to secure a victory. The two most recent ones are the Viewer's Choice Award (in which we got Ev to the third round of votes but were beaten out by Linkin Park) and the current CosmoGirl 'Born to Lead' award, in which several female celebrities are up for the CG of the Year.

In these voting processes, we are allowed to vote multiple times if we want to. Of course, we on the Evboard voted like crazy for you guys.

However, we've been seeing that other fans of some of the other contenders employ 'autovoters' - small computer programs that will vote for you, at a very rapid rate (i.e. 5+ times per second).

Many people here feel that that's cheating, to leave your computer on and have the program vote nonstop for you. Some feel that doing it 'by hand', as it were, shows more dedication and is more honest. Others feel that autovoters are just fine, especially if it secures the win.

So, I was wondering what you guys' view was on this. Do you think that autovoting is okay? Do you think it's cheating? In polls/contests like this, do you condone the use of the autovoting machines? Or would you rather lose without them (but go down fighting anyway)?


I and a few others here are very interested to hear the band's opinion on this (and anyone else's too). So, guys, what do you think?

Thanks :)

Oooo, I want to know too. Although I think I'd never use an autovoter, because I'd feel guilty.

OMG... this is a brilliant idea for a thread Katya! ;)

I'd never of thought of this, and have been totally caught of guard by the existence of this thread. Quite ingenius! :p

Hopefully the band will answer, or perhaps a good debate of the subject matter will begin. Go Katya!! lol

Well..I don't know about the rest of you...but for the cosmogirl thing, I totally used an autovoter to vote for Mary-Kate Olsen...

j/k...but yeah I guess I want to know what they think too...pretty good Katya...haha

kewl thread, hope to see a response from the band. personally, i'm against autovoters..... it's just not fair and kinda shows that ppl don't really believe in that person they admire and have to rely on a machine in order to win... that's just my opinion though.

AUTOVOTERS..... no i dont think is fair... I believe that should you gain with your value. Those who use these programs they don't believe in the value of band/person.. this are my own opinion.
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Soft earth will cover me
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Well I think that if it is a real VOTE then automated stuff should not be used. Amy is running a close second...probably because Angelina has automated voted! :p

But seriously....go and vote for Amy!!! She deserves to win more than ANYONE listed on that site!! AND Amy doesn't have automated voted! :P

And the Olsen twins suck!!! haha ;) :p

Aaah, you see this is what you get for searching for a subject more than 3 times :) . I was also wondering whether or not Amy wanted to win the contest. If you've read the Cosmogirl contest thread, you know how big of a fear it is that Amy will refuse if she wins! So much wasted time on the comp *sighs*. I'm really hoping Amy will tell us!

Is it just me or is that one of the most repetitive posts EVER? :rolleyes: Sorry, I'm sleepy... Weekends are my sleep time... :)

I was also wondering whether or not Amy wanted to win the contest. If you've read the Cosmogirl contest thread, you know how big of a fear it is that Amy will refuse if she wins! So much wasted time on the comp *sighs*. I'm really hoping Amy will tell us!

yeah, hasnt she done that once before? cant remember the specific scenario, but im sure someone else can fill me in.
its kind of ironic, i could be wrong, but based on the band's image, i think the fans care more than they do. viewers choice and MTV awards i could understand.. those can actualy help their career, though even those piss me off a little. i mean wtf, theyre going to make me choose between Evanescence and Linkin Park? im sorry, but i cant do that. and last i checked, theres enough room on my CD rack for both.

i never even heard of these sites like cosmogirl untill i came across this thread. the only thing winning these competitions proves is how many of their fans actualy came across the site. if Amy really wants to know if we consider her a good leader, all she has to do is ask. there are a few thousand member on this board alone who would gladly say yes- with only one click required.
thats another thing though.. is she really? inspirational- weve seen evidence of that here, so yes, a good example in may ways (independent, successful, ect.)- yes, an excellent artist- im thinkin yeah, but a leader- well maybe, but how the fuck would we know? define leadership, and then tell me if we've actualy had the chance to see that side of her to judge. this lack of knowledge just adds to the meaninglessness of the vote. if the catagory had been "best person to rule the world" people would be just as flipped out over voting for her merely because its an excust to support her in something.

the mentality seems to be a team thing. if 'our' band beats 'theirs' in something, we all win. who the fuck cares? just enjoy the music. if the band actualy cares, then by all means, vote and support what they care about as a way of saying thank you, but not for the sake of making youreself feel like youve won something against the adversarial Linkin Park fans. but seeing as how Amy skipped one or two of them, i dont think we should rally worry about it.

the band already knows theyre popular, so is it really worth it?

as far as the autovoters, though i do agree with most of what you guys are saying, the line between honor and unfair advantage isnt as clear as it seems. your argument is that the energy people put into voting manualy is comperable to their dedication to that band. however, someone trying to vote on a 56K is going to have to put a lot more energy and time in waiting for the screen to refresh with every click than someone on cable or DSL. at what point is it unfair?

You do have a point there, that we're supporting Amy just to say we're good fans and such (to sum up what you said in my general distorted view). Really, we're assuming she's a great leader because of what we've seen of her through the press. But I see it differently, I see this competition as a chance to put something real in what young America's reading today. Angelina Jolie isn't a bad person for that, but I believe so much more in Amy's views. If you're going to have someone inspirational for a young girl to take impression from, isn't it best to have someone who'll project the image of "Be yourself, have fun with what you do. Don't change yourself for anyone, and never strip for attention."? I'm so sick of seeing girls like the Olsen twins dressed in next to nothing. Girls look up to them, they want to be them... And that's scary. MK & A are so unreal. It's all about publicity for them. I want these people to see Amy's views and think "Wow, that's cool, I never thought of it like that" instead of seeing MK&A and saying "Mom, I need this shirt! I HAVE to have it!!"

So really, I guess what it comes down to for me is what I've been ranting about for the past 10 minutes now. I just want to see something real in a teen magazine. I want to see something I can look up to. That's why Amy's winning is so important to us :)

personaly i think that contests set up like these are idiotic. people being allowed to vote hundreds of times in a row? think of what would happen to our presidential ellections if we allowed this. seriously, one person, one vote. the multiple votes option only skews the true view of the poll and allow for such things as those autovoting programs to screw things up even more. but also its just a magazine, not the primaries here. yeah its teh Ames and yeah she and the whole band are getting more exposure, which is cool, but its cosmo girl: kinda beating a dead horse with a stick here. the target audience is saturated with those already exposed to the band. if it was Cosmopolitan, or Vouge or something that's target audience is not under 25 it would be a bigger deal. and theyd probably come up with a more idiot(lazy-asshole)-proof system of voting.

Okay, first off I know I'm not a mod(or a member of the band) and I'm not trying to act like one, but something is REALLY telling me this shoudl have gone to the previously going thread about Amy in the cosmo-girl thing, especially that the title of the thread is "QUESTION for the band regarding contest and voting." and as far as I can tell, it sounds more like a little rant than a question.

Secondly, you make a good point but it's a little contest in a magazine, not the presidential election! different things have different standards. And if you need to find a positive point for the multiple voting (because it highly seems you are lacking a positive way of thinking about this contest in any way) it would even mean more about how much someone inspires the voters because of how many times they would vote for the person.

So I probably just ruined my reputation by doing this and acting the way I did in it, but it just really seemed like something that should be said.

No, no, that's not how I wanted it to come across at all. And the CG thing made me think about it, but I really wanted to know the band members' views on things like this in general, where the fans are asked to vote. Not necessarily the CG thing in particular (which, BTW, I think has gotten a bit out of hand).

My little 'minirant', as you like to call it, was me trying to explain what goes on for some of these things. I tried to make it sound like I had no opinion on the matter. I wasn't sure if the band knew about it, so I was trying to provide an explanation. Not a rant. If you want to hear me rant, I'll do it in the Whine and Cheese thread. And then you'll see exactly what the difference is between this and a rant of mine.

I'm sorry if I came across to you that way, but if you'll notice, after my explanation, there ARE the questions that I had for the band there.

And...well, the mods have left this open. So, I imagine that it's okay enough for them. *shrugs*

And as for finding positive things in the contest...have you read the CG thread at all? I've made several positive points, lol.

I guess I should express my own opinion. I think that autovoters, as in the programs that can be created, are a means of cheating and should not be used in any way. I think that voting multiple times on your own is a good thing. Personally, Amy has been extremely inspirational to me within the past year or so, and I have taken pride in voting for her as many times as I can because the title of the contest is 'which celebrity inspires you the most?'.

People are getting obsessed with winning. I've been saying that yes, winning is important, but look at how far we've gotten. As of right now, Amy is THE only person on the entire list with a very close chance at beating out Angelina. I think it's great that so many of us are inspired by Amy to vote for her like this.

So. With all that said...my little lecture for today is over ;)

i believe im the one being bitched at Katya, not you. i know i sound a little pessimistic, but i just really dont appreciate brainless pop-culture being shoved down the throats of our youth i.e. M&K and stuff like CG althought CG is one of the least offending in that category.
Still the multiple voting is not a fair system. yeah the fans show loyalty to those that inspire them, but what of those that would wish to vote 100 times a day but cant because of ISP speeds and prices or parental restrictions on the internet or other problems? and what of all the fans out there who have heard of this contest, but dont even have an internet connection in their home and have to go elsewhere to access the net? if i was in that situation i would not really want to spend someone elses time on their internet or use a public resource in this manner because thats not right for someone else who might need the access.
i have spent time voting when my internet actualy works and it would be nice to see Amy win, but as i said earlier, not everyone who would want to can vote 100 times a day for whatever reason.
ok im done now. and since im starting to turn this into a W&C thread, i shall shut up

I didn't mean to be completly bitchy, it just kinda came off that way when if your like me, you get annoyed easily and really really picky at those tiems about everything, yah sorry, I didn't mean to be quite so harsh, it's amazing how slightly negative things or things with no opinion on the matter can be pushed over when read or wrongly typed. I was quite a bit on the mean side, so sorry, i shouldn't have jumped quite so hard, especially since I don't have any power on the board except that I can apparently make conversation and unexpectedly get people going with long responses.
And about the whole, multiple voting thing, you realyl did make alot more sence when you clarified on your second post.

*Tries not to sound lost* uhm What is this autovoter you speak of? and.. What do u think about people who delete their cookies so they can vote hundreds of more times?
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*Tries not to sound lost* uhm What is this autovoter you speak of? and.. What do u think about people who delete their cookies so they can vote hundreds of more times?
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That's better. And for the Cosmogirl thing you don't even have to delete your cookies, just refresh. There are no Amy autovoters.

Ok thanks for your opinion. I'm just like ok..that cant be a crime can it? And some words of wisdom for those fans who arent participating in this; Come on people, this is the second viewers choice. We cant lose to cheaters! If all of us in here voted 100 or more everday then those robots cannot outvote us! *a little pep talk*
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sorry, ive been away for a few days, so in catching up...

But I see it differently... If you're going to have someone inspirational for a young girl to take impression from, isn't it best to have someone who'll project the image of "Be yourself, have fun with what you do. Don't change yourself for anyone, and never strip for attention."? I'm so sick of seeing girls like the Olsen twins dressed in next to nothing. Girls look up to them, they want to be them... And that's scary... I want these people to see Amy's views and think "Wow, that's cool, I never thought of it like that" instead of seeing MK&A and saying "Mom, I need this shirt! I HAVE to have it!!"... I just want to see something real in a teen magazine. I want to see something I can look up to. That's why Amy's winning is so important to us :)

i hadnt really thought of it that way. not so much a matter of knowing or not knowing if the title actualy fits, but rather who is best suited to be placed on any pedestal out of that selection in front of impressionable teens. thats got to be the most unselfish way to look at the competition ive heard. thanks for the new angle :) .

I have taken pride in voting for her as many times as I can because the title of the contest is 'which celebrity inspires you the most?'.

um.. i didnt notice that. well that about knocks the rest of the wind out of my arguement :o .

ok, between the two of you there, im sold. but, nontheless this is technically off topic, and i appologize for giving the conversation a kick off tack with my last post.
so bringing things around...

We cant lose to cheaters! If all of us in here voted 100 or more everday then those robots cannot outvote us!
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first of all, no offence, but please stop typing so small. cant speak for everyone, but i tend to make my posts late at night with tired eyes, and the small blue print is agitating.
anyway, as i said, i was just convinced to join your efforts, but if beating the bots were as easy as it sounds, this vote would be in the bag by now. so back to the topic at hand, do we vote the traditional way, or fight fire with fire and use the autovoters we know are already bing used on the other choices. at the risk of taking this a little too seriously, would you use an autovoter when it's our honor vs. ensuring that those who are really influenced by the winner are influenced by the most 'real' person, as LaDiablo puts it?

first of all, no offence, but please stop typing so small. cant speak for everyone, but i tend to make my posts late at night with tired eyes, and the small blue print is agitating.

I'm sorry I'll try to make my text a bit more readable hehe =].

I dont think we should use auto voters. Only because I know that it irritates me that the Angelina fans are cheating with them and I wouldn't feel comfortable doing what they do to win. I just dont think its fair, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. =]

As for me, I have my own little voting machine that I call my little sister. I paid my six year old sister 5 bucks to vote for Amy as much times as possible. hehe...the perks of having younger siblings.

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Wow. I had NO IDEA there were that many people in the band. Cool. :p






SHIT!!! There was so much more that I wanted to say. But I forgot. Ehh, this will do for now until I remember it. Then I'll edit.

:mad:I HATE FORGETTING!!!:mad: