OMG ... come outta the wood work... show and tell your full opinions on this one... it is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch a good topic...



Star Wars VS. Star Trek.....

pros/cons

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I always liked Star Wars more. Couldn't really explain why other than I just found it more enjoyable and thought the story just felt much deeper. Not to mention you can't beat the music to it that John Williams created. The Imperial March is a classic movie theme.

Oh and it had Chewie. Star Trek didn't ;)



...and R2D2. Can't forget R2.

R2D2 was the best actor in the entirety of both series. :P

Rock on... my most prized posession (until my child is born of course *rubbs belly* yes I own you) is my pic of me in front of the Chewy suit... Chewy is my hero....

Star trek though... is verrrrrrrrrrry technical...very diverse... of course it was more of a series anyway... all those ships and gadgets... I really really enjoyed all the plights and creatures....picard....*shivers* lool j/k but SW had the gripping story but it was pretty much a one time story... thus it's impression a little stronger... rock on.

Hmmm. SW kicked holy 4$$ but ST has alot more substance. Its the perfect social commentary. Especially teh original series.

If we're talking old school SW here, then yeah. The new ones are so heavy handed with political commentary they just drive me nuts.

But at any rate, SW is always better than ST, for one reason.
The girls are cuter. :D

Let's compare......
http://image.pathfinder.com/who/specials/starwars2/154951__clones1_l.jpghttp://www.dragoncon.net/dc/trektrak/2002/scoggins.jpg

Case closed, imo. :P

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I've been a Dark Side groupie since I first heard the heavy breathing! Star Trek has never been able to pull me in quite like SW, though I do enjoy both.

The new ones are so heavy handed with political commentary they just drive me nuts. Amen on that! At least I can see Anakin as Luke's Father, they've got the whining down! :P

Let's compare......
http://image.pathfinder.com/who/specials/starwars2/154951__clones1_l.jpghttp://www.dragoncon.net/dc/trektrak/2002/scoggins.jpg

Case closed, imo. :P

Man that one on the right really needs a date with some skin moisturizer or something. As for Ms. Portman on the left - *le' swoon* :D

I would take SW over ST any day of teh year.

Okay...

Star Wars: it's not a television show like Star Trek...

Star Trek is...I don't know if it's more confusing? Or not? I had a friend in elementary school who liked Star Trek...he watched it, had tons of Star Trek figures...he had to have been pretty smart to know all that stuff. Whenever I was at his house tho, we never talked about Star Trek, cause I don't really like it. He ended up moving to Utah...

I think Star Wars is better, because it's had a lot of influences on people (causing them to act weird...)...more than Star Trek I think?

If anyone's seen that Conan O'Brien video...of Triumph the dog interviewing peoples waiting for a Star Wars movie to open (Episode II I think)...it was HILARIOUS. Making fun of nerds and stuff...

Okay, back to Star Wars - it's got video games. LOTS of them. The reason I know so much about Star Wars games (well, not a lot...) is cause a good friend of mine loves Star Wars. The thing I find weird is...he's not your average Star Wars fan I guess. The stereotype of Star Wars fans all being nerds...well, this friend of mine don't know much about computers, he's ghetto, really popular in school, plays football, can beat up peoples unlike Star Wars nerds getting beat up themselves...haha, sorry, had to type that. He bought some Star Wars game for the Xbox...not Jedi Academy (if that's even out yet, I don't know)...Shadows of the Knights or something? I always said Stormtroopers of the Empire, Shadows of the Empire, Knights of the Shadows, I never got it right and he always laughed...oh...Knights...Knights of the Old Republic, that's it. When he played Jedi...(can't remember the title of the series)...Jedi Knight? I always played 50 Cent's In Da Club or R. Kelly's The World's Greatest...it was hilarious, seeing him slice peoples with his lightsaber while The World's Greatest is playing :D

Anyways, I think I went off-topic. Video games...toys...Star Wars has a lot more merchandise than Star Trek I think. More people know at least something about Star Wars than Star Trek.

I've yet to see Star Wars (original movie) and Episode II. I saw the other 3...and I don't actually care to see the two I haven't seen, and Episode III whenever it comes out.

Star Trek - I watched Voyager a lot in high school for a few months. It was alright, then I got confused, and it got boring after a few months. Captain Janeway, Seven of Nine?, all those peoples returned to earth or something...I think the series ended.

I'm not even a sci-fi fan (or Star Wars/Star Trek for that matter) and I typed all that :? so...Star Wars is better.

I just re-read what I wrote...whoa I got a bad attention span :shock:

If we're talking old school SW here, then yeah. The new ones are so heavy handed with political commentary they just drive me nuts.

But at any rate, SW is always better than ST, for one reason.
The girls are cuter. :D

Let's compare......
http://image.pathfinder.com/who/specials/starwars2/154951__clones1_l.jpghttp://www.dragoncon.net/dc/trektrak/2002/scoggins.jpg

Case closed, imo. :P


allow me to offer a more fair comparison:
http://image.pathfinder.com/who/specials/starwars2/154951__clones1_l.jpg
http://www.icemaid.demon.co.uk/images/7of913.jpg

Meh... surgical implants (and I don't mean the borg ones) have never done much for me. I prefer Natalie's stomach over Jeri's boobs.

Yeah, dev is right. Star Trek has hotties that rate high. I like both now...
Movies .vs. Movies? I reserve my answer until Epsiode III is out.

This isn't even an argument.

Hello, people??!!?! Star Trek has Bill Shatner!! BILL SHATNER!!!

If I had any kind of Christian leanings whatsoever, I'd say that Gawd was sitting at his drawing board with an outline of what he had in mind... an outline that looked a HELL of a lot like James T Kirk...

There's a little heard of band out there called "The Shatners". They wrote a song that speaks to my soul every time I hear it... It's called "No Man Is Stronger Than Kirk"...

I mean, come on...

1) The Space Shuttle was named 'Enterprise' after the ship in Staqr Trek...
2) Star Trek had Bill Shatner in it...
3) Star Trek showed the worlds first inter-racial Kiss, forever breaking social barriers for the better
4) 50% of that kiss was performed by William Shatner
5) To tell you the truth, I don't think Nichelle Nichols was giving it everything she's got...
6) Star Trek is a Utopian dream of a future filled with hope for everyone
7) Which stars William Shatner.

Star Wars, on the other hand, Started off GREAT but quickly descended into the jumped up, showy-offy, irritating little Toy Advert that it is today.

(Nobody mention Voyager or Enterprise, or I'll sulk...)

As far as TV series go I like Bab5 uch better than ST and maybe would have liked it better than SW had it been made into Movie movies. I still get the willies when i see and hear a Shadow ship!

ST:TNG is the only installment/characters that i have any real attraction/affection for ... the rest of them were dry and just ... they didn't have a Data, okay? Data makes it all better.

so yea, SW all the way. i'm just sad that in the books (if you read them) that chewie dies and it's all anakin's fault. :( well, sorta.

i'm just sad that in the books (if you read them) that chewie dies and it's all anakin's fault. :( well, sorta.

Those new books sucked anyways... Timothy Zahn's five are the only ones worth reading.

yea ... the Zahn man totally rocks the SW world.

but there were a few that he didn't write that were pretty good - the courtship of princess leia, man, that's all i have to say. :D

yea ... the Zahn man totally rocks the SW world.

but there were a few that he didn't write that were pretty good - the courtship of princess leia, man, that's all i have to say. :D

:shock: :shock: PLEASE tell me that was sarcasm. That book was like Beavis & Butthead does Coruscant.

Meh... surgical implants (and I don't mean the borg ones) have never done much for me. I prefer Natalie's stomach over Jeri's boobs.

how do you know they are fake? Unless you see the boobs with no shirt, and at the very least no bra, you can't really tell with the surgeries done today. Also with the types of bras out there. Just cause a girl has big boobs doesn't mean they are fake.

I have to go with ST myself though. It just seemed more interesting to me. Now, the old Star Wars were good, but the new ones sucked major balls. Also the Star Trek stuff made what they did sound like it could be possible. My only complaint was that every alien race out there was humanoid(in the time I watched it). At least Star Wars didn't do that.

Meh... surgical implants (and I don't mean the borg ones) have never done much for me. I prefer Natalie's stomach over Jeri's boobs.

how do you know they are fake? Unless you see the boobs with no shirt, and at the very least no bra, you can't really tell with the surgeries done today. Also with the types of bras out there. Just cause a girl has big boobs doesn't mean they are fake.

dude - Mucho respect for standing up for ST... but come on. Jeri Ryan's tits are visible from SPACE. They are clearly bought and paid for. Clearly.

And there's nothing wrong with that. :)

Also the Star Trek stuff made what they did sound like it could be possible. My only complaint was that every alien race out there was humanoid(in the time I watched it).

i think ST had a few races that weren't humanoid. we don't really know what the Q look like, just how they manifest themselves. and the crystaline entity wasn't humanoid. i'm sure there were more, that's just all i can think of now.

i think the reason most of the races in ST were humanoid is b/c it was assumed that a lot of the other races out there that were roughly on our evolutionary level would be the ones that were spacefaring. or maybe it's the other way around.

Wow... awesome responses....



It is true... STrek is much more detailed and to most... more realstic to the current times... with all of the technology... and due to it being mainly a tele series...a lot more happens leaving more room for fullfillment...

In any case... Swars is a classic set and that is undenyable... but not unbeatable!!!!!

i like star trek more than star wars...love me some john luc perkard. ;)

I truthfully never really like either until I started playing the Star Wars Galaxies game then I got a little more into it... but I still don't care much for Star Trek even though my husband is a big fan of both I like SW better :)

wow, I've seriously never been a fan of either...I'm just not into space sci-fi stuff. I must agree though, and say that Star trek has hotter women. I mean, Portman is in only two movies :rolleyes: Although, she IS pretty hot... ;)

The Star Wars vs. Star Trek debate is certainly not a new one.

I watch both. I think I’ve seen every NG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise episode there is (I haven’t seen many OS episodes and aren’t really interested to do so), as well as the movies. I’ve also seen all the Star Wars movies (ANH too many to possibly count, the rest of the OT multitudinous times, the PT a good measure). I’ve read most of the Star Wars books of the EU, but haven’t touched the NJO books. Ick. I haven’t read any of the Star Trek books.

I think it’s important to look at what each of them really are. Star Trek episodes are basically morality plays. They wrap up life lessons in technobabble, multi-faceted characters and bridge-jarring explosions. Star Wars on the other hand is pretty much a space-based western serial. It is based around action and the proposal of a true delineation between good and evil. The characters aren’t as well developed (well they often are, by the fans).

I like both, and I think both suffer now for different reasons. Star Trek is just tired, or its writers are. There is too much regurgitation, from the plot lines to the actors (Tony Todd, anyone?). I think this more than anything is the reason for the decline in viewership. I personally think the Enterprise episodes are pretty well done. However, it doesn’t take long for someone to see parallels from the hundreds of other ST episodes and decide to change the channel. I’m afraid that one of two things need to be done for the ST series. Either they need to cataclysmically need to change what they do creatively, or they need to bench the franchise for 5 or 10 years.

Star Wars suffers from its own weight and the apparent deconstruction of George Lucas. The original trilogy hailed him as a visionary, a true genius. The myth grew to stellar proportions as each new generation was introduced to the franchise. I personally have many, many good memories surrounding Star Wars and all its encompassing merchandise. Moreover, the FANS took such good care of the GFFA (Galaxy Far Far Away, a reference to SW), with the abundance of fan sites and fan fiction.

Then, Lucas decided to make more movies. First of all, I’ve always felt it was a mistake to do the prequel trilogy instead of the sequel trilogy. That’s what he decided, and instantaneously expectations were unreachably high. Unfortunately, on many fronts I think the prequel movies have failed even modest expectations. For every jaw dropping special effect (or is there just too many effects?), there is a horrible line of dialogue or gargantuan plot hole. Lucas let others direct ESB and ROTJ, and I think his largest mistake is directing these movies himself. I think the prequel experiment has proven he is a better producer, conceptualist and special effects manager than he is a writer and director. The prequel movies could have been SO good, and parts of them are, but overall they just don’t cut it.

This is way too bad, and I’m not casually throwing around criticism. Star Wars strikes a cord in people, and it means the world to so many. I defend the GFFA as much as anyone, but I also need to look at it all objectively to see what’s wrong with it and how it can be saved.

Sadly, I think both SW and ST’s time have come and gone. Both franchises will drive themselves into the ground though, and that’s too bad. I think this generation’s mythology is Lord of the Rings. It is massive and timeless and apparently definitive (this is a GOOD thing). Harry Potter might someday be a reasonable second.

Personally, I like Star Wars over Star Trek. It speaks to me more, sparks my imagination in a way Star Trek has never done.

The Star Wars vs. Star Trek debate is certainly not a new one...

...followed by an impossibly long dissertation...

...Personally, I like Star Wars over Star Trek. It speaks to me more, sparks my imagination in a way Star Trek has never done.

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Dude... you've got WAAAAAAAY too much time on your hands!! I mean, I agree with everything that you said (with the exception of your preference, but hey. Whatchagonnado?) but MAN ALIVE that was far more serious than the thread demands!

It wasn't too many posts back that the discussion was "Portman Vs Ryan - Who's got the keenest Rack??" :p

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Dude... you've got WAAAAAAAY too much time on your hands!! I mean, I agree with everything that you said (with the exception of your preference, but hey. Whatchagonnado?) but MAN ALIVE that was far more serious than the thread demands!

You're probably right. Chalk it up to not wanting to confront the horror that is a seriously screwed up January accounting close where I work.

The scary thing is, my dissertation could've been longer. <shiver>

It wasn't too many posts back that the discussion was "Portman Vs Ryan - Who's got the keenest Rack??" :p

I would like to reserve judgement until I can actually SEE both of them. Until then, they both have a certain appeal....

my parents saw star wars for their honeymoon. they went and watched it, and for the rest of their honeymoon, they parked their car behind the house and...uh...stayed inside.

Im a star wars fan through and through (old school more so then the new trilogy). There are just more elements in it that i find cool. Lightsabers, Boba Fett, Han Solo one liners, the darkside, x wings and deathstars.

hard-on star wars fan too, room filled with everything star wars, so yeah, sw is better, i never got what people liked about those boring, lame episodes of star trek...

hard-on star wars fan too, room filled with everything star wars, so yeah, sw is better, i never got what people liked about those boring, lame episodes of star trek...

Star Trek is a social commentary as much as it is anything else. Especially the OS. The whole thing with the hostility with the Klingons was intended to reflect the Cold War. There were episodes with themes of racism, intolerance, and eugenics, as well as episodes which pondered deep philisophical questions such as what is it to be human? What is it to be alive?

...as well as episodes which pondered deep philisophical questions such as what is it to be human? What is it to be alive?

What would it be like to screw a blue chick...

What would it be like to screw a blue chick...

Or, if you are Christopher Pike, a green one.

Or, if you are Christopher Pike, a green one.

Then there's the whole Borg 'Implant' controversy.

Then there's the whole Borg 'Implant' controversy.

*cough*

Resistance is futile. ;)

Im so going to burn for that one.

I think there's enough room in the universe for both franchises. I gotta admit, though, that I'm really tired of the new Trek spinoffs and really don't much care for the new Star Wars movies. The original SW movie, though, is IMHO one of the best movies ever made, even better than my all time favorite ST movie Wrath of Khan.

Of course I am uber-geek so I love most science fiction not just ST or SW.

I have read SF since I was 9, so here are my thoughts.

I enjoyed the first 2 SW's, but thought they could have easily been westerns and not changed the stories. I felt that Lucas had cobbled together something from other, more complex books, both SF and mainstream. The flicks were entertaining, but not very original. The mass merchandising of the toys and stuff made me un-easy as well. I thought the last ones were very weak on storyline and the characters. Anakin and the Empress lacked any affinity or deepness of connection. SW seems to have become demo tapes for computer animation now.

I liked the old ST very much, and I think the new Enterprise show has them back on track. The other shows seemed to get away from the basics. I think the stories on the original were excellent, probably because many of them were written by SF writers familiar with the themes and science involved in writing good SF. Tribbles, Vulcans and time travel for example. I think the addition of the Borg was brilliant and injected TNG with new life. Enterprise is like starting with a blank slate, but now there are other shows very simular to that style and doing as well or better.

Anyone read or write their own SW or ST stories?

I don't like Star Trek mainly because I have no clue what's going on. I don't know the storyline or who anyone is or anything, so watching an episode (not that I often do) can be confusing as hell. Yes, call me lazy, but I never bothered to find out mroe about the show. Star Wars, well, everyone knows that storyline.

The new title of the 3rd Star Wars Prequel:

"Star Wars. Episode III: Revenge of the Sith"

Is this a good title? And is this movie going to be cooler than "Star Trek, First Contact" Or "Star Trek III: The Search For Spock"?

*throws monkey wrench into debate* Mwahahaha! :)



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