So people, I'm curious...
Do we think aliens and UFOs exist, or are they just made up so people can get attention.

I've seen alot of pictures and they pretty much all look fake. But don't we all look up at the sky and see something for an instant and then pretend like it was never there? I have before.

So are they real or not?

Sure UFO's exist. A UFO is an "Unidentified flying object." I saw one yesterday. I couldnt identify it. It was totally a ufo! :D


About the aliens: Just look at how enormously huge our universe is.

Theres gotta be something out there....

i belive that there are aliens.
i don't understand why most people think it's stupid. they believe that there is a god that made everything and bla...but they can't believe that there is somewhere a planet which is like ours and that some kind of beings live there....i mean what sounds more logical?

Yea i believe in ufos and stuff. i rember my aunt had a video from a long time ago when she went to the get groceries or something, and oddly enough her video camera was in the trunk and she video taped a ufo flying in the air. It was funny though, becuase you could hear people freaking out like crazy in the background :)

Aliens?

The Drake Equation: N = N' * f_p * n_e * f_l * f_i * f_c * f_L

For N == 1, you have to demonstrate which of the terms in the Drake Equation is unique to us... and this equation only applies to our galaxy alone. Not even getting into all of the other galaxies we can see.

In short--it is statistical certain that somewhere in the universe there is going to be civilizations that are capable of communicating. It may be rare, it may be common, it may be far away, or it might be right next door, but it is out there.

Whether said aliens have visited earth is another matter entirely and the probability on that drops to almost nothing.

Aliens?

The Drake Equation: N = N' * f_p * n_e * f_l * f_i * f_c * f_L

For N == 1, you have to demonstrate which of the terms in the Drake Equation is unique to us... and this equation only applies to our galaxy alone. Not even getting into all of the other galaxies we can see.

In short--it is statistical certain that somewhere in the universe there is going to be civilizations that are capable of communicating. It may be rare, it may be common, it may be far away, or it might be right next door, but it is out there.

Whether said aliens have visited earth is another matter entirely and the probability on that drops to almost nothing.

lmao.

now its been proven!!

thanks Lly...

I've always been of this opinion...

The Universe, as we know it, appears to be infinite. And the chances of anything occurring in an infinite Universe is Infinite, yes? so, by definition, somewhere out there, there MUST be a planet entirely inhabited by an intelligent race of Baseball Boots, all left footed, and all called Colin. If the Universe is infinite, then this WILL exist.

However...

If the universe is infinite, then what is the likely distance between us and the nearest intelligent life-form with the technology to reach us? Well... it's going to be one of two options... Firstly, the Unlimited possibilities allow an unlimited number of species to evolve. This means they'd be everywhere... (being unlimited and all) but I am here... and they're nowhere around me. I know this, because I can lift my arms and not hit one of them. QED.

So, the other alternative is that there are an infinite number of life-forms in existence, but since the universe is infinite, the distance they are most likely to be from us is...?

You got it. Infinite.

Or as near to incalculable as makes no damn difference.

So, we may not be alone in the Universe, but nobody's likely to come knockin' at the door any time soon.

Best to just face the most abhorrent choice and be comfortable with your own life and who you are. Horrible, I know... but Life's a bitch.

Star Trek is a lie. We'll all just have to deal with that.

But T.J. Hooker was REAL.

Hell yeah.

Just to be pedantic: The amount of matter is finite and therefore the number of planets is finite regardless of the amount of space ;)

Just to be pedantic: The amount of matter is finite and therefore the number of planets is finite regardless of the amount of space ;)
Yes, but don't let us get into this discussion... or I'll drag you screaming and kicking back to the definition of "Omnipresent" as regards 'You Know Who'

;)

Yes, but don't let us get into this discussion... or I'll drag you screaming and kicking back to the definition of "Omnipresent" as regards 'You Know Who'

;)
You wouldn't... :eek:

:p

You wouldn't... :eek:

:p
I might... ;)


Nah.. fukkit. I wouldn't.

:D

I believe that there is Ufo's and Aliens out there or were before us ..

I totally believe in aliens, and I believe that anyone who dismisses the possibility, is an idiot. Theres no way that there is no life out in the infinite universe. well, there's a possibility, but it is incredibly, incredibly miniscule. I think they may not be more intelligent, and the assumption that they are, while not a stupid assumption, is unfounded. I like to believe we are the most intelligent, and the fact that they have only found moss and bacteria kind of helps my claim. :D

there has to be... which, by the way, saw something REALLY odd this past weekend. My hubbie pointed it out...

We were walking around Kings Dominion, and in the sky was this perfect circle of what looked like smoke, then, like a rubber band, it streched until it was oval, then it went back to the circle, then it made a figure 8. And, it looked like it was some sort of smoke or smoke cloud. We just sat there watching it in awe... I am not sure what it was, or if anyone else saw it, but WOW!!!

i know this doesn't prove anything but if this isn't real is for sure such a great photoshop work

http://www.evboard.com/showthread.php?t=15248

Yeah, my science teacher from 6th grade always said "The universe is way too big just for us."

But, to those 'others' in the universe, we are probably the aliens, so I guess it goes both ways...


and yes, UFOs exist. I get confused when people use UFO like it already means Alien Spacecraft.

yeah the ufo's exist i saw on tv :p the air force(mexico) watch 13 ufos flying at incredibly speed and then they just gone were so weird... that drake equation i saw it on popular mechanics

I totally believe in aliens, and I believe that anyone who dismisses the possibility, is an idiot. Theres no way that there is no life out in the infinite universe. well, there's a possibility, but it is incredibly, incredibly miniscule. I think they may not be more intelligent, and the assumption that they are, while not a stupid assumption, is unfounded. I like to believe we are the most intelligent, and the fact that they have only found moss and bacteria kind of helps my claim. :D

...wow...I got a neg rep for this...bummer. I guess I should explaint that people who absolutely and positively will not accept even the slightest tiniest possibilty that maybe, just maybe theres something else out there, be it bacteria, which has already been found, or something bigger, is clouded. Perhaps that is better. :p

They probably do exist as do many other things we don't know of.

People are just afraid of the unknown.

I'm the kind of person who has to see things to believe things. Sometimes I can feel it in my gut when I know something is true but other people don't... you know? Sometimes I think, okay, this universe is sooooo massive that it just can't be us here, but then, like I said before, there has actually been no proof, that I've seen that helps me with my decision... I want to believe it because it's something different and I am actually really interested...

I'm the kind of person who has to see things to believe things. Sometimes I can feel it in my gut when I know something is true but other people don't... you know? Sometimes I think, okay, this universe is sooooo massive that it just can't be us here, but then, like I said before, there has actually been no proof, that I've seen that helps me with my decision... I want to believe it because it's something different and I am actually really interested...

Seeing is not always believing. i.e. Slide of hand magic.

To think that we are the only intelligent life form in this universe is complete selfishness.

Our society can't handle the difference in religions much less the fact of knowing that there is another world out there. Until we can handle the truth, the truth will be kept from us.

tMR

Well, people believe in GOD and never have seen him, so hey why not believe in Aliens?!?

I believe in UFOs and aliens. About a week ago I was watching a documentary on this topic. According to this documentary, the crash in Roswell really did hapen but the US government tried to hush it all up and swore all the witnesses to secrecy, then it showed interviews and descriptions from the witnesses who decided to come out with the truth. This documentary was enough to make me a believer. Also, Earth is just one planet among a gigantic galaxy with seven other planets. There has got to be other life out there

Also, Earth is just one planet among a gigantic galaxy with seven other planets. There has got to be other life out thereJust seven huh? I could have sworn there were 2 more in our solar system alone.. I also didn't know we had a count on every planet in the galaxy, cool.

;)

Just seven huh? I could have sworn there were 2 more in our solar system alone.. I also didn't know we had a count on every planet in the galaxy, cool.

;)

There are two more maybe three. Some have speculated that there is a planet "X" past Pluto. We don't have a count of every planet in the galaxy. :p

tMR

*dramatic tone*
You want the truth? You can't hadle the truth!!!
*and....scene*

I would really like to find out the truth though. It's not a huge deal for me to know, because I feel like I already do, but it would be nice to shove it in the face of people who would never give it a chance. :D

Well, people believe in GOD and never have seen him...I can't see the wind either but I can see the effects of the wind; hence I know it exists.:)

I can't see the wind either but I can see the effects of the wind; hence I know it exists.:)

Or air for that matter. Wait. Wind and air. So, they're kind of the same thing.

Well, with that point. What effects have UFO'S shown to prove they exist? Hmm.

there are many things we don't see but know they are there. ok, maybe aliens are not here, living with us in human looks..or whatever...
but the part of the universe we already know is soooo small. and we don't know where it ends. i know it's "endless" but can we be sure about that?
look at the end of the second men in black movie. the aliens are playing with our little galaxy, sure, that's a movie, but i think you know what i mean. we are such an unimportant thing for the universe, how can we think we are the only beings out there...
and i believe that there really are some kind of "aliens" or whatever in the area 51.
what i wrote sounds like "the truth is out there" but hey, the truth IS out there!

I just think humans are on this powertrip where they're scared to look for. and actually find aliens or other beings out there. They're afraid that if they do find other beings in the Universe, then they won't be the ones in control anymore, but arethey really in control? Or are we all just in denial? dun dun dun.

uhm...i do believe that there is other life than on earth, but why should it look like in movies or anything...i believe it can be very ""nomal"" and uninteresting things, maybe only an evolution of bacteria or anything...
but, even if they exist, why should we do such a great excitement about it?the same with god...if "he" would exist,okay, but why to build churchs and pray and say "i believe in "him"" and so?!
anyway, the scientists say, one reason against aliens is, that they have not the chance to live about the planets we know...but how many do we know??there are so much planets, why shouldn't they could live on one ore more of them?!

This is very interesting. And this post is going to be long... :D

Nobody knows the truth.. But I think there has to be some kind of life out there. Just think! The universe is endless and this earth is so little.
Wouldn't it be stupid if this planet is the only one with life?!?
And there are so many discoveries of UFOs and aliens that they all can't be false. I don't know are those things aliens or what but strange things happen.
:eek:
I've read that archaeologists have found discoveries of UFOs and aliens or something strange even from the hieroglyphs from the time of pharaohs.
Cool eh?

People shouldn't be so sure about these things because we can't know everything. I think people know very few things about anything. About the space, meaning of life, what comes after death or god.

I hope i don't offend anyone with this post.
This is just what I think. :D
<3

ok, that's another thing I think lends credibility to aliens visiting earth. Pictures of previous civilizations depicting vehicles that appear to be flying, and the same shape as many 'eyewitness' reports. At a time when everbody paid extreme attention to the skies, sightings were probably more, while not a whole lot more, but still more plentiful. I don;t know, I'm not going to try to pursuade anyone to change their beliefs, I'm just stating the reasons I believe in it.

I think humans are looking for the type of alien's that are in movies. I feel they're looking into what they see and make up in their heads that they don't see other beings could be here on Earth.

I think humans are looking for the type of alien's that are in movies. I feel they're looking into what they see and make up in their heads that they don't see other beings could be here on Earth.
thats what i mean, they are looking for scary, dangerous monsters, but it could be kind of bacteria, too..

thats what i mean, they are looking for scary, dangerous monsters, but it could be kind of bacteria, too..

Yeah, exactly, it could be anything. Hell, maybe they have the power to change themselves into looking like humans and disquise themselves here? You never know

I've read that archaeologists have found discoveries of UFOs and aliens or something strange even from the hieroglyphs from the time of pharaohs.
Cool eh?


ok, i can explain that:

it's a temple in Abydos, middle of egypt. there are pictures of a submarine(hope that's the right word i mean like "yellow submarine...you know..), an airplane(or helicopter?-can't remember) and something that looks like the typical image of an ufo. that temple was open for visitors - for many years - til they found those pictures, now it's closed and nobody can get in. i've never been to abydos, but to many other places in egypt, and i believe that the ancient people have been influenced by what we call aliens. i have a picture of those images in that temple of abydos. i'll scan it. people say it just looks that way cause the stone got demaged in all those years, but if you see it, you'll know that's a lie...

i'll post it as soon as possible, and maybe i can translate a part from the book that pic is in..if you are interested in reading it....

Thanks for the information Rockergirl! :D
I believe it too.. Why would they close that place if those pictures don't mean anything?

It would be nice to see that pic... This is very interesting!

Yeah, exactly, it could be anything. Hell, maybe they have the power to change themselves into looking like humans and disquise themselves here? You never know
:)like the aliens in men in black*has watched this movie today again*?!...yeah, maybe, noone know...but i think "they"'re not so especial like people often imagine...

:)like the aliens in men in black*has watched this movie today again*?!...yeah, maybe, noone know...but i think "they"'re not so especial like people often imagine...

Yeah, probably... haha men in back..

so, ok, i scanned two pix, the first one is a map of a part of egypt, so you can see where abydos is.
the second is the photo of the ufo in the Sethos Temple in Abydos. bad quality but it's an old photo....

http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Anginator/egypt_karte.jpg


http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v127/Anginator/abydos_ufo.jpg

wow, no idea why they are that big...sorry, they should be smaller......i don't know what happened

Wow, that's pretty cool...it also looks like a cruiseliner and a helicopter next to it. :eek:
Damn I wish I could go check out those walls. This kind of stuff is hella interesting.

löl, it looks like an ufo, but i dont believe it is one..i dunno why, but it really looks like the typical imagine-ufo...maybe it is one, but it could be chance, that an old lettre of them looks like one :confused: ...but very intresting, anyway:)

Wow! I'm amazed.. that is just like an ufo ship..!
This is one reason more to me to believe in ufos.

yes, it really looks like one. and yes, it also looks like the type of ufos we all know, but why do we know them as that? cause there are so many photos and videos, of course most are faked crap, but some are real, that's what i think.
i's like to check out the wall by myself, too. but i've never been to abydos, we want to go there in our next time in egypt, but that temple is closed anyway....
i really need to find some stuff in egypt like that......next time....

Regarding the pictures:
I dont see that as really solid proof- i mean, i still beleive, but that picture isn't so convincing.

Maybe they have different shaped spacecraft? So the thing above might be an alien assault flying battle tank? I mean, could be anything? Might be a technologically advanced spoon? Could be anything. I mean, were they labeled at all?

So people, I'm curious...
Do we think aliens and UFOs exist, or are they just made up so people can get attention.

I've seen alot of pictures and they pretty much all look fake. But don't we all look up at the sky and see something for an instant and then pretend like it was never there? I have before.

So are they real or not?

This question was sorted out in the X Files series-)))))))))))
Personally I believe in their existion-)

Regarding the pictures:
I dont see that as really solid proof- i mean, i still beleive, but that picture isn't so convincing.

Maybe they have different shaped spacecraft? So the thing above might be an alien assault flying battle tank? I mean, could be anything? Might be a technologically advanced spoon? Could be anything. I mean, were they labeled at all?

yes, it could be anything, but the fact is that those pictures on that wall( it's not really a wall, they're are above a door) are old. of course the pic in the book could be a fake...but there are several people who saw that thing in the temple.

but even if it's not an ufo, what is it? and how could the ancient egyptians know stuff like that? it can't be their technology...so where did it come from?

another theory of that is that it came to them from us, from their future, from the time we live in...but what is more logical? a time machine or aliens who brought that things.....

everybody has to answer that question for himself/herself....

yes, it could be anything, but the fact is that those pictures on that wall( it's not really a wall, they're are above a door) are old. of course the pic in the book could be a fake...but there are several people who saw that thing in the temple.

but even if it's not an ufo, what is it? and how could the ancient egyptians know stuff like that? it can't be their technology...so where did it come from?

another theory of that is that it came to them from us, from their future, from the time we live in...but what is more logical? a time machine or aliens who brought that things.....

everybody has to answer that question for himself/herself....

But aren't those things hieroglyphs in that pic? And hieroglyphs are some kind of writing? So.. it should have a meaning in it. Does the book tell what it means?

a time machine or aliens..hmm. I'd say that aliens.. sounds more logical to me. but it could be something else than those two... We can't know. :confused:

yes, it could be anything, but the fact is that those pictures on that wall( it's not really a wall, they're are above a door) are old. of course the pic in the book could be a fake...but there are several people who saw that thing in the temple.

but even if it's not an ufo, what is it? and how could the ancient egyptians know stuff like that? it can't be their technology...so where did it come from?

another theory of that is that it came to them from us, from their future, from the time we live in...but what is more logical? a time machine or aliens who brought that things.....

everybody has to answer that question for himself/herself....

it doesn't have to be a technic thing, maybe it only looks like...and its a broken water-vase or whatever,...

definitely aliens!^^...i really dont believe in time-machines...

Hmmm...Time Machines vs. Aliens. I'd like to think that it's a time machine, but if we had the power to do that, I think the world would be in much worse shape. That, and none of our presidents/famous people would have died. I mean, I would've gone back in time to save Lincoln, or Marilyn Monroe, and definetely Jimi Hendrix. Could you imagine if Jimi had lived? I can't. I think music would be MUCH different. But that's me. I could be putting too much power in his hands, but we'll never know anyway. It's hard to believe in time machines, because we like to believe that we are living in the most absolute possible future, or at least a split second in the past. But, if we developed a time machine, wouldn't we already know, and have sent it back? It's puzzling, but an intriguing idea. Like, will we one day suddenly have the recollection of that time machine we saw at the fair, and not even care because it's been ingrained in our brains by a future event into our past selves...? :confused:

But yeah, I think the egyptians saw the same aliens we have been seeing and drawing more recnetly. Maybe they come in certain times. Like a pattern. We should research what the time span is between alien hysteria, and when it dies down again. I bet it's like, 50 years or something.

Personally, and I dont mean to change the topic, that time machines, or going back (let alone, forward) in time is possible. Time is just a measurement, I think. Its how we measure how long it takes the earth to go around the sun, and the earth to spin around once.

Sorry, but im a dis-beleiver to time travel. Theres definately no way to travel FORWARD at all, and I cant find how we can go backwards.

ok, those are not hieroglyphics(i think that's the english writing of that word..). not all pictures are. i was able to read them 3 years ago, not very much, only a bit, but i read a part of a wall in luxor, so i think i wasn't that bad... in tombs for example, there are the hieroglyphics, but also pictures of the life of people, hunting scenes, and pictures of the way they have to go to their "nirvana" they don't call it nirvana, but that was the most fitting word i found...but that's off topic...
they don't use everything as words or letters, many things are just pictures of things they used, saw, ...and so on....

about time machine: there is this theory, that if we would go faster than the light, we would go backwards in time. i think it was albert einstein, but i'm not sure....and i don't know how exactly works...

[QUOTE=Rockergirl][COLOR=Magenta]ok, those are not hieroglyphics(i think that's the english writing of that word..). not all pictures are. i was able to read them 3 years ago, not very much, only a bit, but i read a part of a wall in luxor, so i think i wasn't that bad... in tombs for example, there are the hieroglyphics, but also pictures of the life of people, hunting scenes, and pictures of the way they have to go to their "nirvana" they don't call it nirvana, but that was the most fitting word i found...but that's off topic...
they don't use everything as words or letters, many things are just pictures of things they used, saw, ...and so on....

ok,ok. I was just trying to be smart. :rolleyes:

I believe there are Aliens, with whats going on in saturn, as it mimics earth

Sorry, but im a dis-beleiver to time travel. Theres definately no way to travel FORWARD at all, and I cant find how we can go backwards.

me too^^...

but the thing this aren't hieroglyphics is interesting...maybe its really what they saw...that change my opinion about this pic...

and if they come in time intervals, when exactly would they come next time?even i'm not think it is so..

but if they make it on the wall cause they saw it in thier futur, our presence, why didn't they had tv and anything?i dont believe that, because if there are time-machines, our past would have gone to their futur, our presence, and copie the things, so we wouldn't have the past, because they would have the same things like we...
does that make sense:D?

about the hieroglyphic-thing: if you take a book and look at the pictures for a while, you'll see that the most pic in tombs are paintings about their life. the paintings in tombs always tell stuff of the life of the person who "owns" it. in temples the most pics are hieroglyphics, but they also tell stories. the pharaos who built it always tell about what huge things they did and so on...but if you find pics of the hatchepsut-temple in luxor, you can also see pictures about fishing and so on...but off topic again...

if aliens come in intervals, maybe to test us. another alien-theory: we are prisoners, who were sent to this planet from them thousands of years ago. why it sounds logical: there was the "neandertaler"(homo sapiens neandertalensis) and suddenly the "Cromagnon-human"(homo sapiens sapiens) appeared. but where did he come from? they didn't find any evolution-steps between. and cause the homo sapiens sapiens was more intelligent than the homo sapiens neandertalensis there was no chance for the stupid human to survive and that species died. so are we the aliens? and would the world be full of neandertalers(don't know the english word) if we weren't there? and do the aliens come to look how we live now, what we reached and so on? and is that the reason why they come in intervals?

i'm ending with: the truth is out there...

So people, I'm curious...
Do we think aliens and UFOs exist, or are they just made up so people can get attention.

I've seen alot of pictures and they pretty much all look fake. But don't we all look up at the sky and see something for an instant and then pretend like it was never there? I have before.

So are they real or not?

UFOs, big foot, vampiars, werewolves, ghosts, demons they're all real i've seen almost all of them except big foot and a vamp. as far as i know. and they're all really scary but really cool. if i didn't meet them i couldn't brag about it :D

UFOs, big foot, vampiars, werewolves, ghosts, demons they're all real i've seen almost all of them except big foot and a vamp. as far as i know. and they're all really scary but really cool. if i didn't meet them i couldn't brag about it :D

hmm.. i never met anything of these. and i have to say that i don't believe in vamps, werewolves, ghosts and demons. i only think aliens must be there, causewe don't know much of the univerce, but we know our earth, and i don't think something like that is here. ok, i once saw some kind of bis white, bigfoot-looking thing in the forest, but i'm sure i didn't really see that....whatever...

ok, i once saw some kind of bis white, bigfoot-looking thing in the forest, but i'm sure i didn't really see that....whatever...


see people convince themselves they never saw what they did so there are more wittnesses than we hear from. i don't but then again im a freaking nutcase

Aliens are real. And if they're not then it is the longest running myth EVER. There are cave paintings of aliens, and there was a UFO with a person pointing at it in an old religous oil painting. I am not sure how old the painting was, maybe biblical times, but it is real old. The government tries to cover up the exsistence of aliens with stupid weather balloon stories, and pulling fake moon landings. That's right, I said fake.

UFOs, big foot, vampiars, werewolves, ghosts, demons they're all real i've seen almost all of them except big foot and a vamp. as far as i know. and they're all really scary but really cool. if i didn't meet them i couldn't brag about it :D
I am not calling you a liar, but where did you see a werewolf?

And speaking of other paranormal creatures, who out there believes in the Mothman? Actually, don't answer that. I will just make another thread about it so I don't change the topic of this one.

see people convince themselves they never saw what they did so there are more wittnesses than we hear from. i don't but then again im a freaking nutcase

there are animals that people already called bigfoot, but all those creatures are just normal animals we don't know yet. things are living in the ocean we never saw. there are parts of the ocean that are so deep that we can't go there with any kind of submarine we have, what does live there? so these animals are not like aliens, they are normals things the evolution has "made" i don't see them as something strange...

so these animals are not like aliens, they are normals things the evolution has "made" i don't see them as something strange...

right, but what we call aliens, if they are there, are even "made from the evolution",only not on this planet...

Being the ironically down-to-earth person I am, I think aliens and UFO's are fun little things to keep trekkies and children entertained, and all others abnormally obsessed with the subject. It's not so much about whether they're 'real' or not, but to me it doesn't really matter. I highly doubt they're going to land and change the way of life that we know it. I'm not going to get abducted/have a 'close encounter', though if I do, this will be the first place I go :D .

Pssssh, if our government had the time and/or money to spend on covering up these 'conspiracies', then maybe they could ask our unearthly friends to go kill all the terrorists...or...something. :rolleyes:

I think aliens are fake. Don't chu think they would have taken over this world after how many thousands of people they've abucted? And if they're sooo smart, how come they need soo many people to get results on? Were basically all the same. Oo, and if they're soo powerful, why don't they just take the president? Hmm? Hmm? :confused:

I think aliens are fake. Don't chu think they would have taken over this world after how many thousands of people they've abucted? And if they're sooo smart, how come they need soo many people to get results on? Were basically all the same. Oo, and if they're soo powerful, why don't they just take the president? Hmm? Hmm? :confused:

noone said they are powerful or what ever...and why should they take them, he??...maybe they have not the power, or they just dont want it?!or they're only bacterias or anything;)...

i think who doesn't want to believe in aliens shouldn't believe in god, too. cause what sounds more logical: some kind of beings on some of the millions, billions...planets in our endless univerce, or somebody who lives in our sky and made us out of nothing? that's the question to ask. i'm an atheist, i only believe in things that really make sense, and i believe in aliens, cause they make sense.
i think if the aliens are smarter than we are, we are just uninteresting, likea cheap tv show like big brother. if they are just some kind of funny green beatles or spiders(just an example!) they are still aliens!

Exactly, the definition of alien is'nt incredibly smart green men who probe our rednecks in the 0-ring, an alien can be anything, including the traces of bacteria WE HAVE ALREADY FOUND. That proves that at one time, there was life on Mars. Be it, small and insignificant to us, but it is still proof. So people who don't believe in aliens are ignoring facts. Just because they aren't what we would classify an alien doesn't mean it isnt alien to our planet.

I think aliens are fake. Don't chu think they would have taken over this world after how many thousands of people they've abucted? And if they're sooo smart, how come they need soo many people to get results on? Were basically all the same. Oo, and if they're soo powerful, why don't they just take the president? Hmm? Hmm?


Ya know, thru the many uh, testimonials on alien abductions- it seems, if aliens exist, they are mroe INTERESTED in us. They're obviously far more intellegent- they've probably no use for war and violence. They probably wouldnt assault us. Why would they invade us at all? Coming from a human, you'd probably htink they would- because if humans got the chance, we'd carpet bomb their planet and exploit and blah blah.

And they're obviously smart. I mean, they're able to keep the entire world confused about their existence. They can also hover and move faster than any aircraft we have- and remain silent and can glide well. And yes, they're powerful- knowledge is power. What does that have to do with our president? You think USA's president should be #1 on their abduction list? Why is that?

i think who doesn't want to believe in aliens shouldn't believe in god, too. cause what sounds more logical: some kind of beings on some of the millions, billions...planets in our endless univerce, or somebody who lives in our sky and made us out of nothing? that's the question to ask. i'm an atheist, i only believe in things that really make sense, and i believe in aliens, cause they make sense.
i think if the aliens are smarter than we are, we are just uninteresting, likea cheap tv show like big brother. if they are just some kind of funny green beatles or spiders(just an example!) they are still aliens!

Uhm...if aliens make sense to you, rock on...i guess. But we don't have 10,000+ manuscripts written by aliens that justify the non-existing alien bible....

i think if the aliens are smarter than we are, we are just uninteresting, likea cheap tv show like big brother. if they are just some kind of funny green beatles or spiders(just an example!) they are still aliens!

On this one episode of South Park the boys were abducted by aliens and Earth and all the life on it was a tv show they watched. :D And they would cause conflicts and war for a more entertaining show. Ha! ha!

Uhm...if aliens make sense to you, rock on...i guess. But we don't have 10,000+ manuscripts written by aliens that justify the non-existing alien bible....

who wrote the bible? humans did. who told us god exists? humans did. can humans be wrong? yes, they can.
who gave us pix of ufos? humans did. who told us aliens exists? humans did.
can humans be wrong? yes, they can.

but they also can be right.

all about that.

On this one episode of South Park the boys were abducted by aliens and Earth and all the life on it was a tv show they watched. :D And they would cause conflicts and war for a more entertaining show. Ha! ha!

didn't see that episode....sorry

i think who doesn't want to believe in aliens shouldn't believe in god, too. cause what sounds more logical: some kind of beings on some of the millions, billions...planets in our endless univerce, or somebody who lives in our sky and made us out of nothing?

i think that to, but i believe more in aliens, but even not in god...

Uhm...if aliens make sense to you, rock on...i guess. But we don't have 10,000+ manuscripts written by aliens that justify the non-existing alien bible....

lol...how could you be sure that the bible says the truth?..you could believe in god, no problem, but why are you so sure about the bible, you havnt seen god or anything similar, you only have this papers...and there are also pics and "crazy" things about the aliens...if you think they're fake, or only look like ufos or whatever, the bible can be also fake...

Well, I have a question, sorta bible related. Why is it bad if you beleive that aliens exist and you beleive in God? You think the bible fills you on -everything-? God could have created aliens. Its a big waste of space if he just put humans on one planet in the middle of trillions. So I sorta beleive in both? I dont see anything wrong with beleiving in both. Aliens can just be animals, too. Humans are technically animals- but are way different- but still animals. So, yeah, and theres animals and creatures on earth that humans haven't identified yet- does that mean it's bad to beleive that and beleive in God at the same time?

I am not calling you a liar, but where did you see a werewolf?
my uncle's backyard. he has lots of woods behind his house

lol, Okay, first off and foremost, nobody get wired over anything anyone else says. Debates suck when that happens. :cool:

It's fine for people to believe in aliens and God at the same time. Freedom of religion and freedom of belief. I take 'UFO's and aliens' lightheartedly. I used to be obsessed with them, but it just kinda wore off. I could go and rant on about biblical history and such, but the topic of God has been disgustingly abused on this board, so I guess I won't add to the problem. But, in short, I've found more evidence towards the Bible than in extraterrestrials.

of course people can believe in aliens and in god. as i said: if they believe in god, they should believe in aliens. cause aliens make much more sense than god. i can only speak for myself and say what i believe. and i do believe in aliens cause there's just too much space we don't know yet, and there must be something. but i don't believe in god, cause for me it just sounds stupid that someone made everything out of nothing. cause where did this "person" come from, who made him? the bible just contains stuff people thought in times when they didn't know as much as we know today, they needed explanations for things and what came out was god. but that's another topic and doesn't really belong to this.
what i want to say is: when we believe in one totally unlogical thing, we can't say something other maybe unlogical thing doesn't exist.

Well, I have a question, sorta bible related. Why is it bad if you beleive that aliens exist and you beleive in God? You think the bible fills you on -everything-? God could have created aliens. Its a big waste of space if he just put humans on one planet in the middle of trillions. So I sorta beleive in both? I dont see anything wrong with beleiving in both. Aliens can just be animals, too. Humans are technically animals- but are way different- but still animals. So, yeah, and theres animals and creatures on earth that humans haven't identified yet- does that mean it's bad to beleive that and beleive in God at the same time?

no, i think you can believe in both, but if you believe in god, its more than logic that aliens exist...

and yeah, i think too that humans are only kind of animals, and the same with aliens..but aliens are not from earth, thats the difference..

and yeah, i think too that humans are only kind of animals, and the same with aliens..but aliens are not from earth, thats the difference..


o.O Well okay. Didnt we find bacteria or some form of life on mars? I guess that's bad too? Oh well- I guess you cant really win one way or the other.

o.O Well okay. Didnt we find bacteria or some form of life on mars? I guess that's bad too? Oh well- I guess you cant really win one way or the other.

i think we do/did, but why should that be bad??...mh...yes^^

who wrote the bible? humans did. who told us god exists? humans did. can humans be wrong? yes, they can.
who gave us pix of ufos? humans did. who told us aliens exists? humans did.
can humans be wrong? yes, they can.

but they also can be right.

all about that.


That was very well said

p.s i like you sig its really cute!!!

That was very well said

p.s i like you sig its really cute!!!

thanks, for both :D
i think that tells all, cause if you think one thing is possible, you can't say the other thing is not possible, too. it's all cause of opinions, in every opinion of every person other things are possible or not possible, that's why we can't find out the truth, cause the truth is out of our opinion.
of course there are things that are the truth, like science and stuff, if you can proove something it is true, but what we can't proove could also be true.

thanks, for both :D
i think that tells all, cause if you think one thing is possible, you can't say the other thing is not possible, too. it's all cause of opinions, in every opinion of every person other things are possible or not possible, that's why we can't find out the truth, cause the truth is out of our opinion.
of course there are things that are the truth, like science and stuff, if you can proove something it is true, but what we can't proove could also be true.

I agree.
I think there are many thruths in the world that we don't know anything about. If that makes any sense..?
Maybe people aren't meant to know the truth about aliens and stuff.
Maybe the truth would be a shock and too big for us to handle..

my uncle's backyard. he has lots of woods behind his house

That's cool. Where does he live?

Out of everyone who has and will post on this thread, whoever dies first has to come back and tell us if all of this is true or not. Deal? :)

That's cool. Where does he live?

Out of everyone who has and will post on this thread, whoever dies first has to come back and tell us if all of this is true or not. Deal? :)

Deal:D...but there are people who came back, and said they see lights when they die and other things...

Maybe the truth would be a shock and too big for us to handle..

yes, i think that too^^...then the normal,clarified world for some people would totally clave...

That's cool. Where does he live?

i don't know somewhere around here...

Out of everyone who has and will post on this thread, whoever dies first has to come back and tell us if all of this is true or not. Deal? :)

okaydokey but knowing humans they probaly wouldn't believe a dead person. :rolleyes: what's the world coming to?

Well, I actually died 6 months ago from an alien abduction. I think they had the beam on 'de-atomize' rather than 'beam-me-up, scotty'

Deal:D...but there are people who came back, and said they see lights when they die and other things...


True, but they never get to the end of the tunnel. So it could be God, or just big words that say "Game Over". And that's it, no after life. Or depending on whether or not you were good in this life it will say "Restart". :)

Maybe God is an alien. He made the the aliens on another planet then made us for science. You know how aliens are supposedly like 3feet tall? What if those aliens are children gathering subjects for their science fair project. Hmm? Hmm? What about that?

hmm....i'd come back when i'm dead to tell you all, but i don't believe in that, i think when you're dead, you're dead....but that's another question of believing...so i'll just tell you everything when i returned from my trip to mars... :D

i don't think people are not meant to know the truth, cause that would mean there's someone who decides, and that's against all i believe again, so i think people - humans - are just too stupid. we all. cause we are only a little part of all, and we are just not able to understand. maybe we would need a sixth sense, or a seventh or many more...

maybe we would need a sixth sense, or a seventh or many more...

It's like I have ESPN or something... ;)
Sorry, I couldn't help it.

The wonderful thing about this topic are the technicalities. I saw a UFO today. I think it was a plane-ish thing, but I couldn't quite see it good enough. Naturally, though, it's a UFO.

Whenever I ponder upon the topic of extraterrestrials, it always digs up the same bewildering question. Why, if so technologically advanced, would these 'aliens' be spending so much time abducting and studying the human race? I mean, really, it's like studying cockroaches. All humans really do, on an international level, is consume natural resources and blow each other up, while all this time being so careful as to keep out of sight of these obviously inferior creatures. Interesting humans? Bah.

Also, there's a difference between human stupidity, human ignorance, and ultra-fifth senses. Human stupidity is...well, doing stupid stuff. Human ignorance is simply not knowing, which is what pertains to the topic of extraterrestrials. Firing at an alien mothership with a 9mm would be stupidity. Not knowing what to fight them with would be ignorance. Everybody cool? Yeah? No... oh well.

Ultra-fifth senses are a topic all to themselves. Other than hollywood blockbusters and intriguing books, no real evidence has been presented. No, you can't see dead people, psychopathically read minds, or control fire. People who claim so are either A.) Mentally disturbed, B.) Dillusional, or C.) Looking for attention. Me? The attention. I mean, no, I really could control fire! :cool: Sixth senses are a current trend that died down after the 70's and recently picked up momentum again. The closest 'scientific' thing to a sixth sense (sorry, though, there's no way to prove it), is called Empathy. The ability to 'predict' others' thoughts or intentions, though now it's used as simply another term for not being heartless. Some people call Empathy a gift. I call it natural instinct, and something I've been working on and honing for the last few years.

I can't study aliens, but I can sure as hell study humans. :cool:

Sure UFO's exist. A UFO is an "Unidentified flying object." I saw one yesterday. I couldnt identify it. It was totally a ufo! :D


About the aliens: Just look at how enormously huge our universe is.

Theres gotta be something out there....


Theres definitely gotta be life on another planet. If we can survive here on Earth, there are others out there too. They gotta be different cause the environments are different, so yeah. Maybe that's why most don't make it here...hmmm...I was reading this thing on anti-matter, but I don't really get it. I'll have to read it over... :)

The wonderful thing about this topic are the technicalities. I saw a UFO today. I think it was a plane-ish thing, but I couldn't quite see it good enough. Naturally, though, it's a UFO.

Whenever I ponder upon the topic of extraterrestrials, it always digs up the same bewildering question. Why, if so technologically advanced, would these 'aliens' be spending so much time abducting and studying the human race? I mean, really, it's like studying cockroaches. All humans really do, on an international level, is consume natural resources and blow each other up, while all this time being so careful as to keep out of sight of these obviously inferior creatures. Interesting humans? Bah.

Also, there's a difference between human stupidity, human ignorance, and ultra-fifth senses. Human stupidity is...well, doing stupid stuff. Human ignorance is simply not knowing, which is what pertains to the topic of extraterrestrials. Firing at an alien mothership with a 9mm would be stupidity. Not knowing what to fight them with would be ignorance. Everybody cool? Yeah? No... oh well.

Ultra-fifth senses are a topic all to themselves. Other than hollywood blockbusters and intriguing books, no real evidence has been presented. No, you can't see dead people, psychopathically read minds, or control fire. People who claim so are either A.) Mentally disturbed, B.) Dillusional, or C.) Looking for attention. Me? The attention. I mean, no, I really could control fire! :cool: Sixth senses are a current trend that died down after the 70's and recently picked up momentum again. The closest 'scientific' thing to a sixth sense (sorry, though, there's no way to prove it), is called Empathy. The ability to 'predict' others' thoughts or intentions, though now it's used as simply another term for not being heartless. Some people call Empathy a gift. I call it natural instinct, and something I've been working on and honing for the last few years.

I can't study aliens, but I can sure as hell study humans. :cool:

we know ufo(unidentified..bla or whatever) doesn't only mean some alien-ship, but that's out of question cause we all here know what we mean when we say ufo.

we also don't think aliens are intelligent little green men and all that stuff, aliens could also be little funny blue animals on a planet somewhere, we don't have this x-files-alien-image in our heads.

and when i was talking about "the stupid humans" i didn't only mean aliens, what i wanted to say is that huans are not able to understand how "big" things work: where the earth came from..and so on, we know the big bang, what we can't understand why it happened and what was there before it, we just don't know cause we can't understand cause we aren't able to.

i don't believe in empathy. of course people can accidentially(hope i wrote this right...) know what others think, like me and my best friend often say the same at the same moment or know what each other thinks, but that's not some kind of gift, it's just cause we know the people or cause we know how people react in certain situations.

the main and the only question in this thread is: could some beings live out there on a planet we don't even know yet? and the answer is another question: why not?

aliens exist! they do! how else do you explain some of the freaky shit that goes on?! and why would ours be the only planet with life on? just because the other planets aren't suitable to support us doesnt mean that other life forms can't exist there.

Not believing in empathy is about as realistic as saying that you don't believe in weakness. Everyone has empathy to some degree. It's not a 'sixth sense', it's a trait. People with alot of empathy are seen as compassionate, whilst others who have little to none are seen as heartless/inconsiderate.

To argue otherwise would just be silly.

we know ufo(unidentified..bla or whatever) doesn't only mean some alien-ship, but that's out of question cause we all here know what we mean when we say ufo.

we also don't think aliens are intelligent little green men and all that stuff, aliens could also be little funny blue animals on a planet somewhere, we don't have this x-files-alien-image in our heads.

You sure do speak for alot of people.

and when i was talking about "the stupid humans" i didn't only mean aliens, what i wanted to say is that huans are not able to understand how "big" things work: where the earth came from..and so on, we know the big bang, what we can't understand why it happened and what was there before it, we just don't know cause we can't understand cause we aren't able to.

Once again, "We", "We", "We". You make it sound like this thread is a cult, and you're their leader and spokesperson. I, for one, am not altogether ready to assume that a great big explosion created this solar system, planet, and eventually the life on it. Technically, we 'know' nothing of how this planet began, and any suggestion as to how, when or why is mere speculation.

To argue otherwise would just be silly.

Not believing in empathy is about as realistic as saying that you don't believe in weakness. Everyone has empathy to some degree. It's not a 'sixth sense', it's a trait. People with alot of empathy are seen as compassionate, whilst others who have little to none are seen as heartless/inconsiderate.

To argue otherwise would just be silly.

You sure do speak for alot of people.

Once again, "We", "We", "We". You make it sound like this thread is a cult, and you're their leader and spokesperson. I, for one, am not altogether ready to assume that a great big explosion created this solar system, planet, and eventually the life on it. Technically, we 'know' nothing of how this planet began, and any suggestion as to how, when or why is mere speculation.

To argue otherwise would just be silly.

"we" means every human on earth, cause if we could know, could understand, we wouldn't have to discuss all that. cause we wouldn't have x opinions, nobody argues about "is the mount everest a high mountain?" cause everybody knows, it is. so we don't know, don't understand, we all, all humans, not only those in this thread, and the univerce is too big to understand it all, cause humans are just not able to understand some things, so they make up different theories, that could be right, but also could be wrong.
and it has been discussed what people mean when they say alien, and everybody who has discussed this said aliens don't ahve to be like we see them on tv, and agreed that they just could be like little animals, or something like that. so i speak for all of those who said that that's their opinion.

and i don't believe in emphathy as this "gift" i explained what i mean, i said that people sometimes know what others think or feel, but not in a mystic way, not as that what most people connect with the word empathy.

and about the "To argue otherwise would just be silly.": arguing otherwise is never silly, cause just about this "great explosion" that's logical, that's what science found out. that's what we, as the world, know. tell me one theory that sounds more logical....we have the structure of the earth, we can see how it's biult up, we can see how plantes and suns react in certain situations, we can make a picture of what happens in these situations...and WE, as the world.
and "To argue otherwise would just be silly." about the empathy: look at what i wrote above.

Okay, okay...let's get at least one thing straight.

The closest 'scientific' thing to a sixth sense (sorry, though, there's no way to prove it), is called Empathy.

Some people call Empathy a gift. I call it natural instinct, and something I've been working on and honing for the last few years.

I didn't say empathy was this 'gift' that 'most people' connect the word with. I said 'some' people, namely referring to sixth-sense enthusiasts that are less common than everyone tends to think, and have a mistaken definition for the word 'empathy'.

i don't believe in empathy. of course people can accidentially...

...and i don't believe in emphathy as this "gift" i explained what i mean, i said that people sometimes know what others think or feel, but not in a mystic way, not as that what most people connect with the word empathy.

What you described is empathy, and there's a difference between 'accidentially' guessing others' thoughts and being able to pick up on them from body movement, facial expression, mannerisms and the way they carry themselves. The latter is commonly known as 'compassion', a simple human trait.

Bottom line, the only ones who ever thought that empathy was anything more than a human characteristic were either sadly mistaken or misinformed. The dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Empathy) can vouch for that.

and about the "To argue otherwise would just be silly.": arguing otherwise is never silly

nobody argues about "is the mount everest a high mountain?" cause everybody knows, it is.

So...if I were to argue that Mount Everest is not a high mountain (which would be arguing otherwise...), that wouldn't be silly? Not according to you. Arguing otherwise is never silly.

To see an in-depth explanation (god forbid it be needed again) of why it's silly to argue my point othewise, see below.

I, for one, am not altogether ready to assume that a great big explosion created this solar system, planet, and eventually the life on it. Technically, we 'know' nothing of how this planet began, and any suggestion as to how, when or why is mere speculation.

To argue otherwise would just be silly.

cause just about this "great explosion" that's logical, that's what science found out. that's what we, as the world, know

We, as the world, know? Know what? To argue that the Big Bang most definately did happen, without a doubt, is silly. It's a theory. Speculation. Incomplete. If it's not fact, we don't know it. There is a difference, and I would suggest acknowledging that.

"Speculation: A message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence".

It's along the same lines as saying that humans evolved from monkies. Is there evidence? Sure. Is there proof? No. Therefore, it's speculation, and you can't argue that it's not. Well...you could, but that would just be silly (aka: socially self-destructive and nonproductive, in this particular case).


-- On a lighter note, congrats on actually debating something in this forum. Not enough keep debates alive.

Okay, okay...let's get at least one thing straight.



I didn't say empathy was this 'gift' that 'most people' connect the word with. I said 'some' people, namely referring to sixth-sense enthusiasts that are less common than everyone tends to think, and have a mistaken definition for the word 'empathy'.



What you described is empathy, and there's a difference between 'accidentially' guessing others' thoughts and being able to pick up on them from body movement, facial expression, mannerisms and the way they carry themselves. The latter is commonly known as 'compassion', a simple human trait.

Bottom line, the only ones who ever thought that empathy was anything more than a human characteristic were either sadly mistaken or misinformed. The dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Empathy) can vouch for that.





So...if I were to argue that Mount Everest is not a high mountain (which would be arguing otherwise...), that wouldn't be silly? Not according to you. Arguing otherwise is never silly.

To see an in-depth explanation (god forbid it be needed again) of why it's silly to argue my point othewise, see below.





We, as the world, know? Know what? To argue that the Big Bang most definately did happen, without a doubt, is silly. It's a theory. Speculation. Incomplete. If it's not fact, we don't know it. There is a difference, and I would suggest acknowledging that.

"Speculation: A message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence".

It's along the same lines as saying that humans evolved from monkies. Is there evidence? Sure. Is there proof? No. Therefore, it's speculation, and you can't argue that it's not. Well...you could, but that would just be silly (aka: socially self-destructive and nonproductive, in this particular case).


-- On a lighter note, congrats on actually debating something in this forum. Not enough keep debates alive.

1. about the arguing otherwise-thing: in the mount everest case we can proove it is a high mountain, how can you argue otherwise when the mt. everest is the highest montain on earth? but you say the big bang is only speculation...i don't know if you ever tried to find about that topic, i did, and what scientists found out, everything they found, shows that this must be what happened. so i can argue otherwise in this case.

2. the empathy: i have a problem with the word empathy cause many people get it wrong. that's why i said i don't see it as what most people see it. and that was all.

3. big bang: look above.

4. and humans didn't evolved from the monkies. there were the primacies(hope that's the right word, didn't find another). and they built two kinds of following ones: the monkies, and the humjans(or what would become humans). and it is prooved, scientists found all steps of these beings, from the monky-like one til the humans(the cromagnon-humans, too, i was wrong informed til i found new stuff today). evolution is another prooved thing, though many people still struggle believing in it....

i think this doesn't lead to anything, cause this will go on and on....but whatever...

and about the social self-destructive thing: i AM self-destructive, all i do, but do you think you are not(at least in the social way)? maybe not as much as i am, but some things you say just aren't right, like the evolution is speculation...

We, as the world, know? Know what? To argue that the Big Bang most definately did happen, without a doubt, is silly. It's a theory. Speculation. Incomplete. If it's not fact, we don't know it. There is a difference, and I would suggest acknowledging that.

The Big Bang theory is a theorem- derived from very extensive scientific research, and a little something called the Hubble (http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/212_fall2003.web.dir/brian_miller/hub.htm) theory. Edwin Hubble, who observed that the universe is continuously expanding, and also discovered that the distance can be proportional it the velocity of a given galaxy. The hubble theory has given an understructure for the universe as we now know it. Yes it is a theory, but unlike other theories, it has a lot of support to back up it's current position. Whether it be true or not we cannot tell at this point, as we cannot revisit that era, obviously. We can however use matter to atleast give scientists and mathmatics a better understanding of the physical world.

"Speculation: A message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence". Good job on your dictionary.com, but you seemed to have left out the rest of the definition.

a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence); "speculations about the outcome of the election"; "he dismissed it as mere conjecture"
The big bang theory has been distinguished on more then just a silly speculation thrown out there. There is more then skeptic evidence to prove itself, and to call it a frivolous idea (which it appears you are implying) is just ignorant.

It's along the same lines as saying that humans evolved from monkies. Is there evidence? Sure. Is there proof? No. Therefore, it's speculation, and you can't argue that it's not. Well...you could, but that would just be silly (aka: socially self-destructive and nonproductive, in this particular case).We were? It is? Huh?!? I don't want to sit here and argue evolution with you (see Evolution vs. Creation (http://www.evboard.com/showthread.php?t=1774&highlight=evolution) thread), but you seem to dismiss anything that does not have conclusive results.

It's a lot easier to brush of a theory, then it is to actually study it. A theory doesn't necessarily have to be something that cannot be taken into full context, rather something that at this time is not available to us in it's entirety.

The Big Bang hypothesis is not something every is going to believe, but if you are going to relinquish it as just an over zealous presumption, you should atleast try to offer your own conclusion based on what you have studied, or atlest evidence as to why you feel this should not be valid.

-- On a lighter note, congrats on actually debating something in this forum. Not enough keep debates alive.Right, becuase you are such an active participant in the debate forum?

[COLOR=Magenta] how can you argue otherwise when the mt. everest is the highest montain on earth?

ACTUALLY, Mt' Everest isn't technically the highest mountain on Earth. If you count the lowest point of the mountain, to the highest point of the mountain, Everest falls short of my home island of Hawaii's Mouna Kea. :D

Back on topic, one of the few things y'all are forgetting to throw ito the equation is the sheer size of the universe. I mean, sure, we don't know FOR SURE what began the universe, and I also find the big bang theory to be a littl far fetched, but I'm not a scientist, so my word is of little value to them. And we also don't know FOR SURE, what empathy is. Do we know FOR SURE that there isn't something as intelligent out their as us, or even more so? Perhaps they are a species that believes in respecting others, and only observing, and doing the occasional test. Much like in the wildlife, when they tranquilize an animal, and check it out, all the abduction stories are similar in that they can't for absolte sure tell you exactly what happened because they were groggy or something. it sounds familiar. but whatever... :rolleyes:

oh, by the way, they never found the "missing link" that ties humans to the monkey/primate/chimps/whatever. So technically they haven't proved it. just thought I would bookend that... ;)

ACTUALLY, Mt' Everest isn't technically the highest mountain on Earth. If you count the lowest point of the mountain, to the highest point of the mountain, Everest falls short of my home island of Hawaii's Mouna Kea. :D

i know, i heard about that...i forgot which mountain it is...but it's higher cause it begins deeper...don't know how to say it, my english is too bad. there are many things i can hardly explain cause i need to use words i never learned at school..and most of the words i look for are not even in my dictionary.

about the missing link between humans and monkies: the 2 "families" began with the "Ramapithecus" that was the first one of the human family, the the "Australopithecus" came. there were 2 kinds of it, i didn't find a book which explains it, but i remember the main differences: the australopithecus robustus was hevier and not as intelligent as the australopithecus africanus. that's why the second one had better chances to survive. and that was the beginning. but don't ask me about the australopithecus afarensis, cause that seems to be another "new" kind of this species i didn't study so far.

4. and humans didn't evolved from the monkies. there were the primacies(hope that's the right word, didn't find another). and they built two kinds of following ones: the monkies, and the humjans(or what would become humans). and it is prooved, scientists found all steps of these beings, from the monky-like one til the humans(the cromagnon-humans, too, i was wrong informed til i found new stuff today). evolution is another prooved thing, though many people still struggle believing in it...

about the missing link between humans and monkies: the 2 "families" began with the "Ramapithecus" that was the first one of the human family, the the "Australopithecus" came. there were 2 kinds of it, i didn't find a book which explains it, but i remember the main differences: the australopithecus robustus was hevier and not as intelligent as the australopithecus africanus. that's why the second one had better chances to survive. and that was the beginning. but don't ask me about the australopithecus afarensis, cause that seems to be another "new" kind of this species i didn't study so far. Am I wrong, or did you just state that humans didn't evolve from monkeys, then spend the next paragraph explaining how they did? It's hard to tell being that every second word is either spelt incorrect or more likely, just made up.

but don't ask me about the australopithecus afarensis, cause that seems to be another "new" kind of this species i didn't study so far.Actually, it's not new at all, infact it is one of the most widely known species as far as australopithecus goes. It also has the most extensive research to date.

If you want to start talking about that, I think it would do better in the actual Evolution vs. Creation (http://www.evboard.com/showthread.php?t=1774&highlight=evolution) thread..

We, as the world, know? Know what? To argue that the Big Bang most definately did happen, without a doubt, is silly. It's a theory. Speculation. Incomplete. If it's not fact, we don't know it. There is a difference, and I would suggest acknowledging that.


It is a theory with strong explanative value, it is far more than a hypothesis or mere "speculation" as you seem to believe. Therefore there are many predictions that it has made, as a theory, that have later panned out to be correct. If you are going to propose an alternate theory it must also explain these same things.

The power of a model lies in its ability to predict.

Is there a 100% probability that it is true? No. Is there a high probability of it being true? Yes. Is there an alternate hypothesis you can put forward which explains the same set of data and which holds the same predictive value? Probably not. Is it patently silly to bring up that we can't know that it is true with 100% certainty? Yes!


It's along the same lines as saying that humans evolved from monkies. Is there evidence? Sure. Is there proof? No. Therefore, it's speculation, and you can't argue that it's not.


No, it is a theory (not speculation, they are different things) that is widely supported by evidence.


Well...you could, but that would just be silly (aka: socially self-destructive and nonproductive, in this particular case).


Last I checked "silly" has nothing to do with "socially self-destructive." You might want to check your dictionary again.

[QUOTE=Fallen Angelia]Am I wrong, or did you just state that humans didn't evolve from monkeys, then spend the next paragraph explaining how they did? It's hard to tell being that every second word is either spelt incorrect or more likely, just made up.

Actually, it's not new at all, infact it is one of the most widely known species as far as australopithecus goes. It also has the most extensive research to date.

i think the other thread would be better, just let me explain what i meant: humans did not evolve from the monkies, not from the today-monkies, but they came out of the same creature, the two families just took two different ways. the right words would be primacy, at least my distionary tells me, so these primacies were not monkies, they were an own species. but to explain it they way i would like to i'd need better english. or someone with better english to translate.

and about the australopithecus afarensis: it was new to me cause i've only been tought about robustus and africanus.

y woulnd they.... i kinda think they do... but i dunno.... y would we be the only ones in the universe..... but yeah i think they are out there or at least someone is.... :D :D

~Luna

i think the other thread would be better, just let me explain what i meant: humans did not evolve from the monkeys, not from the today-monkeysNow that is something I can definetly agree with.. ;)

Now that is something I can definetly agree with.. ;)

i know i have this problem to express myself right sometimes...i'm working on it...

to all: i think i'll stop talking about other things now, this IS about aliens and stuff...so if anybody wants to argue about something, pm me or make up a new thread...