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sikkbones
10-28-2004, 10:22 AM
Navy approves first ever Satanist


Mr Cranmer will be allowed to perform Satanic rituals
The British Armed Forces has officially recognised its first registered Satanist, a newspaper reports.
Naval technician Chris Cranmer, 24, has been allowed to register by the captain of HMS Cumberland, based at Devonport Naval Base in Plymouth.

The move will mean that he will now be allowed to perform Satanic rituals on board the vessel.

According to the Sunday Telegraph, Mr Cranmer realised he was a Satanist nine years ago.

Religious values

Mr Cranmer said that was when he stumbled across a copy of the Satanic Bible, written by Church of Satan founder Anton Szandor LaVey.

He said: "I then read more and more and came to realise I'd always been a Satanist, just simply never knew."

Mr Cranmer, who is from Edinburgh, is now lobbying the Ministry of Defence to make Satanism a registered religion in the armed forces.


The Navy should not permit Satanist practices on board its ships

Tory MP Ann Widdecombe
Former Tory minister Ann Widdecombe said she was "utterly shocked" by the Royal Navy's decision.

"Satanism is wrong. Obviously the private beliefs of individuals anywhere, including the armed forces, are their own affair but I hope it doesn't spread."

She added: "The Navy should not permit Satanist practices on board its ships.

"God himself gives free will, but I would like to think that if somebody applied to the Navy and said they were a Satanist today it would raise its eyebrows somewhat."

A spokesman for the Royal Navy said: "We are an equal opportunities employer and we don't stop anybody from having their own religious values."

The path to Satan

The Church of Satan was established in San Francisco in 1966.

Mr LaVey was its high priest until his death in 1997.

Followers live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence", "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" and "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification".

Doug Harris, director of the Reachout Trust, an evangelical Christian ministry that "builds a bridge of reason" to those involved in cults and the occult, says the statements are "selfish".

"Following such tenets and working them out practically in your life seems to produce a selfish person not a member of a team," he said.

Head
10-28-2004, 03:14 PM
Satanism's wrong? Have you ever SEEN Anne Widdecombe?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1615000/images/_1616666_widdecombe150.jpg

Now THAT'S wrong...

WhisperedDreams
10-28-2004, 03:27 PM
Well, I don't know much about Satanism, but I think it's great. Since I am a Kemetic Pagan, I think it is wonderful that finally they are acknowledging (sp?) other religions.

Shape
10-28-2004, 03:36 PM
Satanism's wrong? Have you ever SEEN Anne Widdecombe?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1615000/images/_1616666_widdecombe150.jpg

Now THAT'S wrong...
Janet Reno is scarier. :p
http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2001/breaking-news-reporting/works/jreno0423.jpg

Diamon
10-28-2004, 04:51 PM
Janet Reno is scarier. :p
http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2001/breaking-news-reporting/works/jreno0423.jpg

I'll see your Janet Reno and raise you Helen Thomas

http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/Events.hom/Thomas.jpg

Not a politician in her own right but through her exercise of her political view with her reporting, she might as well be.

Machinehead
10-28-2004, 05:30 PM
I'll call your Helen Thomas with a Madeline Albright...

http://www.katu.com/news/images/story2003/031008madeline_albright.jpg

sikkbones
10-28-2004, 05:38 PM
this thread is getting disturbing....

alone_i_break
10-29-2004, 07:21 AM
madeline albright is my grandma :(













hahah no not really.

but LMFAO and ugly lady poker game

Llywelyn
10-29-2004, 07:42 AM
A few thoughts.


Why is this in debate? Is there a question to go along with it?
Anyone know what kind of "satanist" he is? Is he an actual Satanist, a badly plagiarized wanna-be satanist (i.e., LaVey), or something closer to a Setist (http://xeper.org/)?
Are there any Jedis in their military?
alone_i_break, are you high? What on earth possessed you to post that?

Nemo
10-29-2004, 08:08 PM
I like how we're not even debating or talking about the topic.

Anyway, um, i think its a good thing- but...i dont care. I dont think theres really an issue, anyway.

alone_i_break
10-30-2004, 01:10 AM
[ alone_i_break, are you high? What on earth possessed you to post that?
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err no. im not stoned, drunk or high on any substance. why was there something incredibly wrong with what i said?


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