Of my time on this board, I have come to the conclusion that the Ev fan is above that of the normal being. I hope that this will spark debate as to Who built the Great Pyramids and Why. Many Egyptologists stay within the guidelines of, the Old Kingdom during Khufu's reign around, 4500 years BC and that they were built solely by Egyptians. Without any help. I like a hybred theory as to How and Why? I tend to follow the theories of West and Bauval. They are two researchers who pre-date them to
10500 BC.

Isaiah 19: 19 -20 gives cruticial evidence to the 'why?' As for 'how', that seems to still be a mystery. However, I would not put anything past the power of wanting to please your God. Last time I checked Noah wasn't a ship builder by trade. My belief is that the Great Pyramid (GP) was built as an altar (as stated in the bible) to the Lord. With devine inspiration and mathematics, they achieved what seems to be the impossible today. The Great Pyramid is a perfect square, triangle and circle. It was built with geometry before geometry was even invented. I think that a lost advanced civilization built it and over time, the method was lost. Just think. A powerful society that had the ability to build this wonder and having such great faith in their God that they were building it for. Builders of today build huge wonders for their Governements (Gorge River Dam in China) so why not that be true for builders who had 'true' faith and no desire for monetary gain.

I am eager to read the thoughts of all that reply.

See I have a serious side.
MtMR

The Egyptian pyramids were tombs, and most likely also time capsules created to preserve their history and culture for later civilizations (which would loot them unfortunately). The early ones were mounds, and over time the Egyptians built them ever closer to the perfect pyramid shape.

However, I don't doubt that they were also designed out of a certain reverence to God (as the Egyptians understood at the time). The GP's design was a way of expressing awe towards the beauty and order of creation.

Ok, some people I know believe that they were built with assistance from aliens because human knowledge was not that advanced at that time...I personally am not sure what to believe on that issue. I love pyramids though, so mysterious....

The Egyptian pyramids were tombs, and most likely also time capsules created to preserve their history and culture for later civilizations (which would loot them unfortunately). The early ones were mounds, and over time the Egyptians built them ever closer to the perfect pyramid shape.

However, I don't doubt that they were also designed out of a certain reverence to God (as the Egyptians understood at the time). The GP's design was a way of expressing awe towards the beauty and order of creation.

hey Cru,

I am not so sure if they were tombs. Most think that they were but some have raised questions about the tomb issue. One key piece of evidence that the GP was not a tomb is that the sarcophagus' lid was opened slightly. That means that they forced it open and found nothing inside. No mummy or treasure. The opening was not large enough to remove any body or treasure. They moved it and looked in and found nothing and left it as it sits today.

One key piece of evidence that the GP was not a tomb is that the sarcophagus' lid was opened slightly. That means that they forced it open and found nothing inside. No mummy or treasure. The opening was not large enough to remove any body or treasure. They moved it and looked in and found nothing and left it as it sits today.

Or they put it back?

Or they put it back?

Sheep, it weighs several tons. They moved it only as much as they needed. They moved it saw nothing and left. Grave robbers were known for their tidyness.

Sheep, it weighs several tons.

*owned*

Nice job.


Maybe it was a fake sarcophagus?

You know, its strange, I just watched a television show about the Pyramids and how they were built...according to the special anyway, lol.

They said it was built by citizens, normal citizens, not slaves or aliens or anything. Apparently, proof of this was in paintings in the pyramids and also the tombs of the workers, which the program said showed that they were revered, and not just slaves.

But in my personal opinion....my rational side says that workers did really build it, but sometimes that seems a bit hard to believe. And as for what their (pyramids) purpose was...they probably were just tombs...but thats up for debate too. If aliens did indeed build them or whatever, who the hell knows what their purpose is, lol.

Well, just like the new Alien vs. Predators movie, it's for the young Preds to become adults and fight off hordes of aliens! It makes perfect sense! :D

*owned*

Nice job.


Maybe it was a fake sarcophagus?
Awwww damnit, why didn't I think of that.
The riddle has been solved.
The Sheep has shat and it makes perfect sense.
:D

Okay, when I read the title of this topic (before I read the replies), I thought, hey, I'll say "ALIENS!" and people will think it is funny. I had no idea anybody actually thought aliens built the pyramids. My bad. Learn something new everyday I suppose.

I personally believe (though I have no evidence to back this up) that slaves under the Egyptians built the pyramids. It seems logical, since we know that the Egyptians a) ruled the area, b) had slaves, and c) buried themselves in labor-intensive structures like pyramids. The common people might have built it, but I find it far more believeable that slaves did it under the order of the ruler of the time. Just makes sense to me...

Okay, when I read the title of this topic (before I read the replies), I thought, hey, I'll say "ALIENS!" and people will think it is funny. I had no idea anybody actually thought aliens built the pyramids. My bad. Learn something new everyday I suppose.

I personally believe (though I have no evidence to back this up) that slaves under the Egyptians built the pyramids. It seems logical, since we know that the Egyptians a) ruled the area, b) had slaves, and c) buried themselves in labor-intensive structures like pyramids. The common people might have built it, but I find it far more believeable that slaves did it under the order of the ruler of the time. Just makes sense to me...
Hey Sang,

Yes the Alien theory is one that many seem to have. It is easy to credit what we don't understand on something that can't prove. I think that we need to dig deeper and look at the people at that time. Look at their beliefs, their culture, their way of life. The salve thoery is Hollywood fiction. Dr Zawi Hawass, who I am no real big fan of, has the best evidence to prove this. At the base of the GP they found the remains of a working city and burial grounds for the workers. Some remains even show signs of medical attention. A ruler could care less of wasting time and money on healing a slave. This find shows that the workers were taken care of and that they lived in surroundings that were comfortable. The workers were people/citizens who thought their ruler was, if not God then the next closest thing to God. I am still a believer that it was built as an altar to thier God. Pharohs did bury themselves in pyramid shaped tombs but the GP (Khufu's Pyramid) shows no evidence of being a tomb. I think that he was a brilliant ruler who not only loved his people but understood them. He knew that his tomb would fall victim to looters so he created the worlds first case of disinformation. He built what people thought to be a tomb and in all reality he was buried elsewhere. His remains remain for the afterlife and his name continues to be spoken. He has achieved what he set out to.

Another question you could ask is HOW they built those pyramids as well. Since we are talking tons and tons of stone, there have been theories that the Egyptions were much more advanced than we thought. They were possibly able to utilize electromagnetics to help move the stones. (The ankh itself is supposely a super conductor as well. A mini Ark of the Covenant which was also a super conductor (The way it was constructed, it was able to hold vast amounts of charge. I believe it was used to help lead armies and was put high above the battlefield. I forget who talked about this theory though).

Another question you could ask is HOW they built those pyramids as well. Since we are talking tons and tons of stone, there have been theories that the Egyptions were much more advanced than we thought. They were possibly able to utilize electromagnetics to help move the stones. (The ankh itself is supposely a super conductor as well. A mini Ark of the Covenant which was also a super conductor (The way it was constructed, it was able to hold vast amounts of charge. I believe it was used to help lead armies and was put high above the battlefield. I forget who talked about this theory though).

Hey Funky, very interesting. Yes I heard that theory as well but I can't remember who said it. Christopher Dunn's theory has stirred tons of controversary. His belief is that it was a water pump and that they were built using water. We do know that the ground was leveled by cutting many ditches in a grid fashion then filling them up and making the water level. Then cutting down to that level. That has been proven already. Dunn takes it a bit further and implies that the causeways that once reached the Nile, were aquaducts that transferred water from the Nile to the GP. I am not convinced as of yet but that theory 'may hold water.' Pardon the pun.

I will take this all one step further. I don't believe Egyptians were of this planet to begin with. I have read alot of things that could possibly support this theory but really it is also just a belief I have had for many years.
As were those from the lost continent of Atlantis ,the Egyptians were highly intelligent Humans who came from another planet because their own planet was destroyed.
First off I don't think life began here in the first place. I think there was another earth-like planet that existed(perhaps several). When those planets were destroyed or in the process of dying the inhabitants sent out ships of their people to try and find a place where they could live.
No, I haven't watched one too many Sci-fi flicks.
This is just my explanantion as to why we have never found the Garden of Eden on earth.
I think paradise was the planet that was destroyed and through symbolism Adam and Eve represented all the inhabitants that had to leave. They were sad, angry, disillusioned that their beautiful planet had been destroyed. Intelligent beings with a belief system would wonder why their God had foresaken them. Beings with a conscious would think it was their fault that paradise was lost. The Bible is always taken much too literally. If one reads between the lines it is amazing how the literal really makes very little sense.
I am speaking of the Bible from a completely non-religious aspect. I am not trying to turn this into a religious debate. Nor am I meaning to offend, if I have I apologize beforehand.
Alright back on topic.As for why they built the pyramids I think it could have been something similar to a structure they had on their own planet. It made them feel at home. Let's just say perhaps Mars was once inhabitable, even the planet they had to flee. For years there has been rumors of structures and sphinx like faces appearing on Mars. Of course people have laughed. As if, right? I for one think the government knows a bit more about all this then they have ever been willing to tell. I live in about 2 1/2 hours away from Area 51. Alien lore is kind of a way of life in these parts. There have been alot of UFO sightings and several claims of close encounters with them. I guess that is why all this doesnt seem that far-fetched to me as it might seem to most of you.
I understand this theory is a bit out there. Has alot of holes in it. I can't prove any of it either. My opinion still holds though. There is much more to all this than meets the eye.
What is history but an account of something by someone else that has happened before our time or we were aware of it. Considering the fact everything we know about that time is all heresay, I think alot of the so-called facts the archeologists, scientists, and historians claim to have are mere theories as well.

The fact that sarcophogi were found inside pyramids and that heiroglyphs describe burial rites would suggest very very strongly that they were tombs for the Pharoes and nothing more.

Well, to say they were 'nothing more than tombs' is being unfair and slightly disingenuous... they are masterpieces of engineering. We may never know how they were built...

But we DO know that the Pharoes (like many other Royals around the time) believed themselves to be Divine in nature, and believed that their Gods lived in the skies (in the form of Constellations). I saw a fascinating documentary on The Great Pyramid that showed how several ducts leading from the main burial chamber would have pointed into the night sky directly at certain stars which were of significance. Apparently it doesn't work anymore, because of the movement of the Galaxy and our solar system within it, but at the time the light from several extremely influential constellations shone upon the dead Pharoh as he realised his divinity.

I suppose it must be the ultimate marriage of engineering genius and primitive culture. It sure kicks hell out of Stonehenge for sheer scale and achievement. ;)

Or there's my other theory, which has to do with sharpening MASSIVE razor blades, but I'm guessing you don't want to hear that ;)

The fact that sarcophogi were found inside pyramids and that heiroglyphs describe burial rites would suggest very very strongly that they were tombs for the Pharoes and nothing more.

Well, to say they were 'nothing more than tombs' is being unfair and slightly disingenuous... they are masterpieces of engineering. We may never know how they were built...

But we DO know that the Pharoes (like many other Royals around the time) believed themselves to be Divine in nature, and believed that their Gods lived in the skies (in the form of Constellations). I saw a fascinating documentary on The Great Pyramid that showed how several ducts leading from the main burial chamber would have pointed into the night sky directly at certain stars which were of significance. Apparently it doesn't work anymore, because of the movement of the Galaxy and our solar system within it, but at the time the light from several extremely influential constellations shone upon the dead Pharoh as he realised his divinity.

I suppose it must be the ultimate marriage of engineering genius and primitive culture. It sure kicks hell out of Stonehenge for sheer scale and achievement. ;)

Or there's my other theory, which has to do with sharpening MASSIVE razor blades, but I'm guessing you don't want to hear that ;)

I also agree they were used for tombs, I had already said so much about my own "whacky" theory I forgot to state the obvious.
An homage to the pharoah and their Gods. Still I don't think it seems all that unlikely they came from another place and carried their beliefs with them.

This is just my explanantion as to why we have never found the Garden of Eden on earth.
IIRC the Bible describes the Garden of Eden as being between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, which would have been in present-day Iraq.

IIRC the Bible describes the Garden of Eden as being between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, which would have been in present-day Iraq.
Who named the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers? Again I am going to go out on a limb here but isn't it common for explorers to name rivers and landmarks after things in their own country? Just an observation. If their planet was destroyed woudn't they name things after the things they missed the most? An earth-like planet would certainly have rivers. I don't know. I watched that Discovery show on "In Search of Eden" and I was not satisfied with what they found at all,lol.
As I said I cannot prove my theory is true, but I haven't seen alot of explanations about Egypt that totally answer all the questions either.
Thus the reason for this debate :p ?

It was only a matter of time until someone brought Atlantis into the picture. Atlantis, is thought by many to be the most advanced cilivization that ever lived on this planet. I would not argue that. I will, however, agrue that we or they were placed here from another planet. Most of the structures of today, The Mayan pyramids, The Giza Plateau and other monuments were made to be seen from the air as well as from far distances on land. The GP was encased in 144,000 casting stones that were so smoothly polished that the GP could been seen from thousands of miles away on a sunny day from a high vantage point. (I know that the horizion is only 10 miles but take into account mountains and unobstructed views on a clear day) In the building of structures of this magnitude, I have come to the conclusion that they may have witnessed something, from above, and that they were trying to communicate with whatever they witnessed. The theory of being an advanced society that was dropped off and then tried to reestablish contact with the "mother planet" seems far fetched. What did they witness from above? There is where the controversary come in. Some would say aliens and others would say humans from the future that were coming back in time. Kinda like timetravel tourism. "Hey kids, lets go see the beginning of Earth." "Sure dad. Along the way can we stop for one of those new flavored dippin dots?" "No Susie, we have to get back to the otherside of the universe before dark HA HA HA." "Awww dad." To think that we are the only form of intelligent life in this universe is extremely selfish and narrow minded. They are there but the question is who are they? Not do they exsist. In saying that, the GP was definetly built by an advanced technology. In comparison to what we think they had. Cultures of today seem to think that just because other cultures are older than they must be less advanced. We cannot dismiss thier potential to be more advanced just because they were 4500 years in the past. We can't build the GP to the exact alinement today. (A note, the GP is in the exact center of the total land mass of today. If you were to look at a flat global map and make a cross section from the outter points of the land mass North South and then West east, you would see that it intersects the Giza Plateau. How did this know this location? And how did they know where to build to hold the enourmeous weight?) So in theory they were more advanced than we are.

We advance because we are all sciencetists by nature. We seek answers. We want to prove things to be right or wrong. Maybe cultures of the past just understood an exsistance and didn't question the norm. I am here so let me live and not seek to question. Maybe they had all the answers that they needed? They obiviously knew what they were doing. Did we loose the will to please and make happy in order to achieve more knowledge? Not sure but I for one think that the Lord works in mysterious ways. I hope I made sense.

MtMR

It was only a matter of time until someone brought Atlantis into the picture. Atlantis, is thought by many to be the most advanced cilivization that ever lived on this planet. I would not argue that. I will, however, agrue that we or they were placed here from another planet. Most of the structures of today, The Mayan pyramids, The Giza Plateau and other monuments were made to be seen from the air as well as from far distances on land. The GP was encased in 144,000 casting stones that were so smoothly polished that the GP could been seen from thousands of miles away on a sunny day from a high vantage point. (I know that the horizion is only 10 miles but take into account mountains and unobstructed views on a clear day) In the building of structures of this magnitude, I have come to the conclusion that they may have witnessed something, from above, and that they were trying to communicate with whatever they witnessed. The theory of being an advanced society that was dropped off and then tried to reestablish contact with the "mother planet" seems far fetched. What did they witness from above? There is where the controversary come in. Some would say aliens and others would say humans from the future that were coming back in time. Kinda like timetravel tourism. "Hey kids, lets go see the beginning of Earth." "Sure dad. Along the way can we stop for one of those new flavored dippin dots?" "No Susie, we have to get back to the otherside of the universe before dark HA HA HA." "Awww dad." To think that we are the only form of intelligent life in this universe is extremely selfish and narrow minded. They are there but the question is who are they? Not do they exsist. In saying that, the GP was definetly built by an advanced technology. In comparison to what we think they had. Cultures of today seem to think that just because other cultures are older than they must be less advanced. We cannot dismiss thier potential to be more advanced just because they were 4500 years in the past. We can't build the GP to the exact alinement today. (A note, the GP is in the exact center of the total land mass of today. If you were to look at a flat global map and make a cross section from the outter points of the land mass North South and then West east, you would see that it intersects the Giza Plateau. How did this know this location? And how did they know where to build to hold the enourmeous weight?) So in theory they were more advanced than we are.

We advance because we are all sciencetists by nature. We seek answers. We want to prove things to be right or wrong. Maybe cultures of the past just understood an exsistance and didn't question the norm. I am here so let me live and not seek to question. Maybe they had all the answers that they needed? They obiviously knew what they were doing. Did we loose the will to please and make happy in order to achieve more knowledge? Not sure but I for one think that the Lord works in mysterious ways. I hope I made sense.

MtMR

I need to explain my idea a bit more indepth I suppose. In the begining they had to find a home because their planet was destroyed. All of the beings of the particular planet evacuated. There was no more planet left. Then they scattered to create civilizations. I think it could explain why so many structures were built in different parts of the world that were so similar.
I don't think they were built to alert others to where they were located but to give them a sense of familiarity. That their practices, customs, beliefs, etc came with them from wherever they arrived from.

Actually if You look at an overhead view of the Pyramids and how they line up, it in an exact pattern to mirrior the stars of Orions Belt and his shoulder. The cracks between the stone would have been so narrow you'd have issues getting a peice of paper to fit between them. And the perfect square thing is true, not more than like 1/8 of an inch off at any place on them... and we measured that with lazers. There is a lot more behind this but it gets really techinical, and without visual aids I'd be beating a dead horse (because I don't want to make them)

A personal theory is of the temple of Babylon and how they wanted to build a temple that could reach the heavens... which is what the egyptians sort of believe about the Pyramids, the spirits of the Pharaoh would be with the gods... and seeing as how the Bible says the Hebrews were slaves to the Egyptians, it almost makes sense! Actually if you ever look into Ancient Hebrew teachings (Because I know that's everyone elses hobby?!) before Moses the teaching kind of resembled the Big Band theory.

Hmm, pyramids, a very mysterious topic.
I'll ponder why they were built for a little, but first I sort of want to address an earlier question of how they were constructed.
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Awhile back I read some papers and watched a documentary on the pyramids.
In these, a group of researchers, in the height of their respective fields, attempted to build a miniature pyramid using what they believed to be the methods ancient Egyptians did.

I forget the time limit that was set. The 'pyramid' was to be 9 feet high.

They transported the stones themselves using the Nile, which makes sense. Easier to float a 2+ ton rock than to drag it across sand.
In construction, they used many tools they believed ancient Egyptians would have had at that time. Ramps, rudimentary pulleys, rolling logs to get the stones across the desert, etc. At some point they even 'cheated' and used modern technology.

Anyway, the point of this is: Those researchers, considered experts, with over 200 laborers aiding them, we're unable to complete even a 9 ft. pyramid over the course of several months.

Which leaves how they were truly built up to more theory and speculation.
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As to why, I would have to say it was out of: 1-Devotion to a ruler that they believed was descended from the gods themselves. 2-Respect for their gods and their concept of the afterlife....nothing new there.


But who? The sheer scale on which the pyramids were built makes this a more difficult concept.

I do agree that citizens at the time would have helped, but only to an extent. Other work needed to be done, farming in particular.
Also, the time scale on which the pyramids were supposedly built defies the population of Egypt at that time. A large number of slaves almost HAD to have been there, if under strict supervision by Egyptian overseers, which might explain the precision of the placement of stones.

My concept is that slaves did the heavy labor, ie-moving, carving, and generally placing stones. However, I think the citizens(particularly the architects, astronomers, etc.) 'judged' all of this work, having the slaves relocate, recarve, and so forth if they were not satisfied, and sometimes moving the rocks themselves, or finishing the carving to make each stone close to perfect.


Either way, one must step back and respect a culture that was able to build structures that have lasted, in some cases, several millenia.


And, MtMr made a good point, how could a culture that old have had such a good concept of alignment/relative position?

Actually if you ever look into Ancient Hebrew teachings (Because I know that's everyone elses hobby?!) before Moses the teaching kind of resembled the Big Band theory.

Technically, even after Moses, the teachings still remember the Big Bang Theory if you follow Kabbalah, the Jewish oral teachings of spirituality (not necessarily the Jewish religion however).

As for documentary's on the pyramids, I've seen computer models and reenactments, but how do we know how accurate those really are? Is it just speculation on the culture at the time? They probably used methods that couldn't have been materialistically preserved.

This is more on the general teaching of history than the pyramids, but I think that history is 90% incorrect. Sure, there's evidence to point towards what is written in history books, but absolutely NOTHING can be proven unless we can go back in time. For example, there's a theory that says Julius Caeser isn't real, and was created by the Romans to ensure the loyalty of their people. The Romans basically rewrote history, and since they dominated all of Europe, history became what Rome said it was. I'm not saying that's true, but then again, how can anyone prove that it's not?

I've been reading a book describing the purpose of the pyramids. They were built so that individuals who were chosen initiates, would go through a process within it's walls to ultimately connnect with their Higher Soul and become enlightened. Their structure brought them closer to the Divine. They were also built under the guidance of beings from the island Atlantis and what is modern day Peru as well as beings from above.

One of my history teachers once told me that underground in between the sphynix's paws is a room of some sort. They used one of those density machines or what ever. The government of Egypt doesnt want it to be explored because some believe it will hold the truths to who built the pyramids. I dont know how true this is, but have fun checking out if you want to.

Ok. I give up.

It was me. I built them.

Now go right me into the history books. Remember, it's spelled K-R-I-S-S-I-E.

;)

No really, I don't know much about them, but I was watching the Public Broadcasting station late last night, and they were saying something about the pyramids... They said that it would have taken 30,000 workers I think 20 *?* years to build one. I could be way off, hell, they could be way off.

Those things amaze me, and I apologize for not having very insightful information on this topic, I just thought I'd come and be funny for a sec ;) Then I just started rambling...

**stopping now**

Actually if You look at an overhead view of the Pyramids and how they line up, it in an exact pattern to mirrior the stars of Orions Belt and his shoulder. The cracks between the stone would have been so narrow you'd have issues getting a peice of paper to fit between them. And the perfect square thing is true, not more than like 1/8 of an inch off at any place on them... and we measured that with lazers. There is a lot more behind this but it gets really techinical, and without visual aids I'd be beating a dead horse (because I don't want to make them)
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Not only that, Angkor Wat, in Cambodia is also supposed to line up with Orions Belt as well...and, both only line up with the Constellation in the year 10,050 B.C. <--- I might have the wrong year, but it's 10,000 ish B.C.

I don't know what that might mean, but it's interesting.

The vents in the sides of the Pyramids where there supposedly to guide the spirit of the dead pharaoh to the right stars.

One of my history teachers once told me that underground in between the sphynix's paws is a room of some sort. They used one of those density machines or what ever. The government of Egypt doesnt want it to be explored because some believe it will hold the truths to who built the pyramids. I dont know how true this is, but have fun checking out if you want to.

True the right paw, if you are facing the Sphnix. Only one man has entered the area. Actually, he only entered a tunnel that lead to a door, a susposed "Hall of Records" but no one will comment on it. His name is Dr. Zahi Hawass. They found a room that is almost a perfect rectangle, 25 ft. below the paw, they believe it to be a natural cavity. They have found three tunnels in the Sphnix, all three lead to dead ends.

Dr. Zahi Hawass stuff (http://www.guardians.net/hawass/)

I don't care to discuss more of this.

One of my history teachers once told me that underground in between the sphynix's paws is a room of some sort. They used one of those density machines or what ever. The government of Egypt doesnt want it to be explored because some believe it will hold the truths to who built the pyramids. I dont know how true this is, but have fun checking out if you want to.

Either your history needs to dig deeper into the "paw theory" and realize that there is not much there or he needs to be fired. That theory is old and outdated. There are passesages there but they contain nothing. As per Zahi Hawass. He is the director of Egyptian Antiquties. Dr Hawass has cornered the market on theories and dispells then all as being uninformed or "not the egyptian way." The "paw theory" was however, looked into by an independant source and found nothing.

Robert Bauval has written a book called The Orion Mystery where he explains the entire layout of the Giza Plateau and Orion's Belt. I do believe that there is some merit to his theory but I think that the Egyptians have taken it a bit further. If they could pin point the exact location to which to build the pyramids then they have a greater knowledge than we are giving them. I think that Orion's belt is just a part of a master plan on the Giza Plateau. The Egyptians used Pi before Pi was even invented. Makes one wonder.

Happy researching.

If you believe in esoteric works, you should read Initiation in the Great Pyramid by Earlyne Chaney. That possibly might explain a lot of the mystery if you have an open mind.

Any discussions on the Ancient Pyramids, and I'm there. :)

Some have suggested that the pyramid was never meant as a tomb, but as an astronomical observatory. The Roman author Proclus states that before the pyramid was completed it did serve in this function. I don't put two much weight on Proclus words, though, remembering that when he advanced his theory the pyramid was already over 2000 years old.

Richard Proctor, an astronomer, did observe that the descending passage could have been used to observe the transits of certain stars. He also suggested that the grand gallery, when open at the top, during construction, could have been used for mapping the sky.

Many strange, and some silly, theories have arisen over the years to explain the pyramid and it's passageways. Most archaeologists, though, 'accept' the theory that the great pyramid was just the largest of a tradition of tombs used for the Pharaohs of Egypt.

So what happened to Khufu's mummy and treasure? Nobody knows. Extensive explorations have found no other chambers or passageways. Still I wonder if, perhaps in this one case, the King and his architects out smarted both the ancient thieves and modern archaeologists and that somewhere in, or below, the last wonder of the ancient world, rests Khufu and his sacred gold.

Has anyone on these forums ever visited the Great Pyramids??? ~jealous~

Any discussions on the Ancient Pyramids, and I'm there. :)

So what happened to Khufu's mummy and treasure? Nobody knows. Extensive explorations have found no other chambers or passageways. Still I wonder if, perhaps in this one case, the King and his architects out smarted both the ancient thieves and modern archaeologists and that somewhere in, or below, the last wonder of the ancient world, rests Khufu and his sacred gold.

Has anyone on these forums ever visited the Great Pyramids??? ~jealous~

Very well stated IrishTood, I am a firm beleiver that Khufu was the first ruler to ever use "dis-information." He created the first chinesse finger trap. You are intrigued by the massive scope of the pyramid and when you are inside, he keeps you there. All with the hopes of you searching and searching and searching inside. When in fact he has placed his treasure outside. I have researched the pyramids for the past 13 years. I have never been but I have often wondered. Here is something that you might like. A logline for a screenplay that I am writing on my research and a bit of fiction.

Logline: Khufu’s Circle
copyright 2000

JACOB WILLET, an egyptologist in his mid-thirties, finds the key
to unlocking the secrets of the Great Pyramid by discovering the
importance of the six smaller pyramids on the Giza Plateau.
A master plan from the Pharaoh Khufu is unvailed with a huge
circle that reveals a set of building plans for the Great Pyramid
and several key points that may show the burial sites for the
Pharaoh Khufu and the Hall of Records. All the while, the United
States Government has known of his findings through ‘big brother’
and has assigned DARDEE MILLER, a CIA agent, to follow Jacob and
keep him and his research safe from the Egyptian Government. They
know what the Hall of Records can prove and they will stop at
nothing to find it. Here is where Indian Jones meets Patriot
Games meets Stargate.

I love this shit.

tMR

I made the pyramids. i go back in time in the year 2027 and i build them all.

anyway seriously im not sure who made them. it could have been an alien race that came in the past or it could be the Egyptians

anyway seriously im not sure who made them. it could have been an alien race that came in the past or it could be the Egyptians
If the Egyptians didn't make them, would that make the hieroglyphs graffiti?

Perhaps it was built as a tomb for their version of Christ. They did believe after all, that the Pharoahs were Gods in this life and became more powerful in the next or somthing. Maybe they were waiting for A prophecy to be fulfilled.

Like someone has already stated the Egyptian pyramids were build by the Egyptians as tombs for their pharaohs and the time of death. The first pyramid ever build was the step pyramid build in Saqquara (sp?), following that was the Bent Pyramid and then the first true pyramid, the Red Pyramid. These were built as, well, a practice for the tombs which were built in the years to follow.

There were well over 100 pyramids built during the time of the Egyptians, and the Nubians (in modern day Sudan) copied these pyramids, building small ones of their own to bury their dead kings in.

There should be no question for their reason, for there is even a coffin holder (wrong word probably, but i don't know what to call it, lol:)), which was robbed, and so there is nothing left of the Pharaoh Khufu, or his son and grand-son.

I believe that pharoah after pharoah would try to outdue the last. Or, since that would mean they were trying to outdue their own father, I will say dynasty after dynasty.

But anyways,

I believe the pyramids derrived from the mastabas. The original 'tomb'. It looked much like the bottom of a step pyramid, and each pharoah, wanting to have a far more glamourous .. erm burial then the last added to it. Then, the step pyramid was ..invented?

Soon the 'steps' were filled in (I think it was either lime stone.. or sandstone) and a copper top was added. The copper tops are long gone now.


Btw- I think the pyramids were just made by slaves. didn't you guys ever hear the egyptian way of moving heavy blocks of stone? they would have a large sled with logs under it, and roll the stone upon the log, taking the last log out, and plaing it infront of the sled.

I believe that pharoah after pharoah would try to outdue the last. Or, since that would mean they were trying to outdue their own father, I will say dynasty after dynasty.

But anyways,

I believe the pyramids derrived from the mastabas. The original 'tomb'. It looked much like the bottom of a step pyramid, and each pharoah, wanting to have a far more glamourous .. erm burial then the last added to it. Then, the step pyramid was ..invented?

Soon the 'steps' were filled in (I think it was either lime stone.. or sandstone) and a copper top was added. The copper tops are long gone now.


Btw- I think the pyramids were just made by slaves. didn't you guys ever hear the egyptian way of moving heavy blocks of stone? they would have a large sled with logs under it, and roll the stone upon the log, taking the last log out, and plaing it infront of the sled.

I def. agree with some of the things you said, the pyramids were derived from the mastabes, which was the early form of a buriel chamber.

But i can't agree with you on slaves building the pyramids. There is a lot of evidence that the Egyptians themselves built the pyramids. Not only have they found residence areas around the pyramids for these workers to live, but when it comes down to it, the pyramids were built as a gateway to the stars, the last resting place for this great Pharaoh. So they would want the best of the best working day and night on these chambers. This means they would bring in all of the kingdoms best craftsmen to get the job done right. It was a task that these people would spend a lifetime doing, and they would be happy about it, because it ment they were doing something to honor their Pharaoh.

steven wright has already studied the origin of the pyramids
The other day I got on an elevator and this old guy got on with
me. I was going to the fourth floor and pushed '4'. I asked
him, "Where are you going?" He said, "Phoenix." So I pushed
'Phoenix'. When the doors opened, two tumbleweeds blew in, and
we stepped out into downtown Phoenix. I said, "You're really the
kind of guy I like to hang around with." He said, "Well, I'm
going out to the desert, do you want to go?" I said, "Sure." So
we hopped into his car and drove out to desert. He told me that
he had spent most of his life working on a research project for
the government trying to find out who financed the Pyramids. He
worked on it for 30 years, and they paid him an incredible amount
of money. He told me he was pretty sure it was a guy named
Eddie."

I think that clears that up :)

I think that clears that up :)

Works for me!! :D
20c/bs

So lets throw this out there:
The Roman Empire, circa 500ad had toilets. After the empire fell, toilets were not seen again for almost 1400 years. Likewise, we're not entirely certain that civilizations incredibly more advanced than us thousands of years ago with technology to build something like the pyramids aligned in a highly precise and accurate configuration didn't exist. In fact, it would seem as though its a possibility. What if a civilization existed, say, 15,000 years ago that built the pyramids and left the planet? Considering the toilet example, just because technology doesnt exist yet doesn't mean that it never has or isn't somewhere else in the universe.

First, the pyramids are some of the most mathematically exact buildings on the planet. Could we build them today? Some posts in this thread have considered that we couldn't. Personally, I think that we barely could with our current level of technology.
Second, if a civilization was advanced enough, why would it leave the planet? possibly because of an impending disaster(ie, incoming meteor?)
Third, i've been playing doom 3 too much.
Fourth, it would seem as though our archeological records aren't, *ahem* entirely complete. There are holes in evolutionary heredity lines all over the place. So what if members of this civilization did something along the lines of cremation, so that skeletons don't exist? who knows.

but like tMR said, the Egyptians were using Pi before it was invented.

Also, an important note: The pyramids were dated according to the skeletons found in the accompanying burial sites. So dating the pyramids to their current date doesnt mean that the stones were put in that configuration at that time, only that the people there were dead a while ago.

Furthermore, what if the pyramids were already there and the Egyptians just modified them for their own use?

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Furthermore, what if the pyramids were already there and the Egyptians just modified them for their own use?

Ooh... never thought of that.

The Egyptians were an amazingly advanced civilisation, so were the Romans and the Aztecs and the Maya and the Greeks. They have their mysteries that we shall never solve... I want to see the

amy la calabazita

Furthermore, what if the pyramids were already there and the Egyptians just modified them for their own use?

Edit: favorite thread in a while

Nice try but there are many burial sites that have skeletons that show work related breaks and worn bones that suggest major lifting, moving and basic pyramid construction wounds. Also, there are small work camps that were formed and were found as well. Each camp had it's own brewery and bakery. That's living. Beer, bread and working to please your God. Not much different than now. Except some religions would leave out the beer part. Once again, look at the facts and not try to change what is written.

tMR

The sloping angle of its sides is 51 degrees and 51 minutes. Each side is carefully oriented with one of the cardinal points of the compass, that is, north, south, east, and west. The horizontal cross section of the pyramid is square at any level, with each side measuring 229 m (751 ft) in length. The maximum error between side lengths is astonishingly less than 0.1%. The structure consists of approximately 2 million blocks of stone, each weighing more than two tons. It has been suggested that there are enough blocks in the three pyramids to build a 3 m (10 ft) high, 0.3 m (1 ft) thick wall around France (http://www.city.net/countries/france/). The area covered by the Great pyramid can accommodate St Peter's (http://www.christusrex.org/www1/citta/B-Pietro.jpg) in Rome, the cathedrals of Florence (http://www.infogroup.it/FirenzeByNet/min/duo/uzeb.jpg) and Milan (http://www.tulane.edu/lester/text/Gothic/Late.Gothic/Late.Gothic37.html), and Westminster (http://russell.webtravel.org/atwj/engwestm.jpg) and St Paul's (http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/misc/uk/london/stpauls.jpg) in London combined.

http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/wonders/pyramid.html
wow.


The Pyramid lies in the center of gravity of the continents. It also lies in the exact center of all the land area of the world, dividing the earth's land mass into approximately equal quarters. http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2.htm
interesting.

http://www.hunkler.com/pyramids/pyramid_symbolism.html

Check out this site. This will blow your mind...Here is a bit to tease you.


PROPHECIES
[11:161] - When years are substituted for inches, the passages of the Great Pyramid become a prophetic calendar.

[11:161] - The start of the Great Pyramid's construction was 2623 B.C.

[11:160] - The only markings in the pyramid are in the Descending Passage at 482 PI inches from the pyramid face. This represents the last year the Pole Star was aligned with the passage, 2141 B.C.

[83:225] - The start of the construction of the Great Pyramid is recorded at 2523 B.C. via a scribed mark on the wall of the descending passage perpendicular to the floor of the passage. All other stone joints in the passage are vertical to the horizon.

[39:85] - The start of the construction of the Great Pyramid is recorded at circa 2170 B.C. via a scribed mark on the wall of the descending passage.

[11:160] - 1170 PI (years) from the construction start date to the point where the Ascending Passage meets the Descending Passage.

[11:161] - 1485 PI (years) from junction of Ascending/Descending passage to start of the Grand Gallery.

[11:165] - 1881-1/3 PI (years) in length of Grand Gallery.

[14:43] - The ancient Hebrews used units of measure that were the same length as the pyramid inch and Sacred Cubit.

[14:35] - Red Granite appears in the pyramid apparently to mark special events in conjunction with prophetic events related to the Jews.

[11:159] - The red granite is fairly rare and identical with that of Mt. Horeb {Mt. Sinai}, the mountain on which Moses is said to have received the Ten Commandments.

[14:36] - The empty coffer in the King's Chamber is made of red granite.

[4:251] - A portion of the floor in the Antechamber to the King's Chamber is red granite and corresponds to the "unit dimension" of the King's Chamber.

[14:64] - A red granite stone, triangular in shape, appears on a false door at the intersection of the Ascending and Descending passages. This corresponds to the prophecy year of circa 1486 B.C. (Hebrews depart Egypt under Moses)

[14:37] - The cubic capacity of the coffer = same as Ark of Covenant made by Moses {Exodus 25}

[70:272] - The Ark of the Covenant was 2.5 x 1.5 x 1.5 Sacred Cubits. Guessing the thickness of the sides as 1.8 PI gives a volume of 71,282 cubic pyramid inches vs. the volume of the coffer of 71250 cubic pyramid inches.

[14:20] - The pyramid inch and sacred cubit are found as raised images on a red granite plaque at the entrance to the Antechamber of King's room.

[14:34] - The length of the diagonals of the floor of the Antechamber are 666 PI. {Revelation 13, mark of the Beast}

[14:76] - There were 144,000 casing stones {Revelation 7, servants of God given seals during the apocalypse}

[83:225] - Birth of Adam, 4128.25 B.C.

[11:161] - Exodus of Israelites from Egypt, 1453 B.C. {junction of Ascending & Descending passages}

[83:226] - Birth of Jesus, Sept. 29, 2 B.C. {intersection of Queen's Chamber floor level with Ascending Passage}

[4:160] - Birth of Jesus, about autumnal equinox, 2 B.C.

[83:226] - Baptism of Jesus, Oct. 14, 29 A.D.

[36,161] - Baptism of Jesus, Oct. 5, 29 A.D.

[83:226] - Crucifixion of Jesus, April 3, 33 A.D. {beginning of Grand Gallery}

[11:161] - Start of WWI, 1914 A.D. {end of Grand Gallery}

Used with permission from Tim Hunkler

The Pyramids were clearly built by the Egyptians themselves, because there is enough evidence to support it. Dr. Zahi Hawass, Director of Antiquities in Egypt, led a large excavation of the areas surrounding the Pyramids, and found remains of living quarters for the workers. And the bones of the dead workers were stressed at the shoulders and back because of heavy lifting. Also, inside the Pyramids themselves, there is graffitie (sp?) left by the workers, leaving the names of thier "groups" and who they pyramid is built for.

The Pyramids were clearly built by the Egyptians themselves, because there is enough evidence to support it. Dr. Zahi Hawass, Director of Antiquities in Egypt, led a large excavation of the areas surrounding the Pyramids, and found remains of living quarters for the workers. And the bones of the dead workers were stressed at the shoulders and back because of heavy lifting. Also, inside the Pyramids themselves, there is graffitie (sp?) left by the workers, leaving the names of thier "groups" and who they pyramid is built for.

I agree that the Egyptians built the pyramids but Dr. Zahi Hawass fails to consider newer theroies. Many people believe that they were built by Egyptians but with knowledge from another source. Devine inspiritation, (possible,) alien help, (highly doubt,) or just having the tech. that was lost over the centuries. Hawass tends to believe that the Egyptians were superior to all others and that they built them with brut power and strength. That is possible but when there is no evidence of structures or artifacts of wooden machine such as levers or pulleys systems, then how can he base his theory on that principle? If he had found evidence that supported his thoery he would show the world. I have researched the pyramids for years and read many articles and seen many interviews with him and he is very quick to toot his own horn. He is a total control freak on what information is released and what is not. I bet that there is information that he hasn't released that oculd shed light on this topic.


It is hard to believe that they were built without having superior knowledge. Where did it come from? That can be the 'Who'. If they didn't have help then they buried the secrets after they were complete. Hummm, Khufu buried the technology from the world so that pharohs after him would not build something greater than his. Now that's possible. So in doing so, Khufu set the world back hundreds of centuries because of his wanting to remain immortal. He has achieved his goal. We speak his name to this day. He has transended from life to the afterlife by halting the worlds development. Brilliant.

tMR

Well, is it possible that the Egyptians were smart? I mean we are so quick to assume that just because they lived in a different time then us, that they did not have knowledge. There is an evolution of pyramid building, beginning with piling Mastabas, which led to the Step Pyramid of Saqqara, and then the miscalculation, which led to the Bent Pyramid, and then finally the Red Pyramid. They were all tests, then when they worked, they decided to go head on with it, and built the Great Pyramids. It's all trial and error, they didn't come up with that idea over-night.

I mean things get tangeled and changed. On another forum, someone wrote this: Of course, there will be also a future theologian that would theorize Bill Gates as such...

Be'el Gah-tez (pronouned Bee-el Gah-tis) was a High Priest/demi-god of power that represented the great god Meecrosofte. he ruled over the people known as the PeeCees for over a century. Early in his reign, there was a rival Priest known as Sti-eve Jobes (pronounced Joe-bes) who ruled over the Appelites. Among that religion in itself there was a power struggle between the god Ap-pel and Mackientoshe (also known as Mahc). Mahc finally ruled over Ap-pel and its people became known as the Mackies.

Finally during the great contendings of Jobes and Gah-tez, Gah-tez stole away the great Mahc altar and twisted it into 'the altar of Weendos' and began to grow great in power, finally rivaling Jobes and even taking deciples of the Mach and coverting them to PeeCees.

In the height of Gah-tez became entangled by a greater power, known as 'Fedarahl Gove' that decided to split his great empire and give his secret magic to lesser religions that claimed he stole them from.

Despite the stronghold Fedarahl had over the Meecrosofte god, Gah-tez continued his powerhold over the PeeCees for long after.

Which I found so funny, because it sounds so much like a lot of our myths and Ideas of how the ancients lived, with out the proper knowledge.

I built them.


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Umm... :confused: darn my horrible memory :mad: In my class in high school we learned about the pyramids. In one movie we watched it talked about the pyramids being alined with the stars in the heavens. They were not built to be tombs but they were built for another reason that I forgot ( :mad: ) It also talked about how heavy those stones must have been and how impossible it would have been for humans to lift it. The movie suggested (not me I'm skeptic) that the stones were moved by telekinesis. I'm not sure about that but its a theory. No one will ever know for sure but I personally believe that it took some extreme genius to built the pyramids, especially the pyramid of Giza because I read that if it had been built anywhere else it would have sunk into the ground. I also read that you can't even stick a credit card inbetween the stones. But I just wanted to give you guys something to think about.

i believe it was the Egyptians

i believe it was the Egyptians

Really? What fucking gave you that impression? Was it, hummmm the fact that they are in Egypt? Or were you being retarded with that post?

Umm... :confused: darn my horrible memory :mad: In my class in high school we learned about the pyramids. In one movie we watched it talked about the pyramids being alined with the stars in the heavens. They were not built to be tombs but they were built for another reason that I forgot ( :mad: ) It also talked about how heavy those stones must have been and how impossible it would have been for humans to lift it. The movie suggested (not me I'm skeptic) that the stones were moved by telekinesis. I'm not sure about that but its a theory. No one will ever know for sure but I personally believe that it took some extreme genius to built the pyramids, especially the pyramid of Giza because I read that if it had been built anywhere else it would have sunk into the ground. I also read that you can't even stick a credit card inbetween the stones. But I just wanted to give you guys something to think about.
I know almost nothing about astronomy, so chances are this question will sound really stupid. But, after thousands of years, do the stars not shift places? If the pyramids are alligned with certain stars now, shouldn't the position of those stars have been different many years ago?

I know almost nothing about astronomy, so chances are this question will sound really stupid. But, after thousands of years, do the stars not shift places? If the pyramids are alligned with certain stars now, shouldn't the position of those stars have been different many years ago?

Great post. The Earth rotates on it's axis and also in percession to that axis. If the stars are in line now, they will come to pass again as in that same line. Robert Bauval, author of The Orion Mystery, states that the pyramids were alined to Orion's Belt and he based his theory on the off center of the third pyramid. After further research, he determained that the pyramids were placed according to Orions Belt in 10,500 BC according to the earth's axis at that point. That is why they don't match up today.

Your post raises a great question..... But just understand what goes around comes around. i.e the earth's axis on it's own rotation, in other words it's percession will come back to that same spot in the future. We may not be here but it will.

Mark....

firm believer in that the world will end in the 100 years....


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I see that Head is viewing and I am getting ready for some sort of bullshit comeback... I highly doubt that he will agree but that is what makes this 'across the pond' chatter wonderful. Up yours Puff, why don't you go and smoke a fag? Just a British thought I thought.

tMR

geez well thats new 2 me....i didnt knw they were aligned with the stars

i just thought they were built for the pheroes (sp) ready fro the after life

FYI....they haddnt invented the wheel yet so they put round trunks of wood underneith the stone slabs to assist them in moving the slabs
each block waeghes the same ammound as 2 4 wheel drives...

the pyramids were built using plum lines, with the funnels running from the main tomb chamber pointing towards the centre of a group of stars. this group, has never changed position, even though other constellations have, and was where the ancient egyptions believed heaven lay. the funnels allowed the soul of whoever was buried there to go directly to heaven. this was in times where the rulers were concidered a small step below god, and anything was done to give them eternal life. as for who built the pyramids, the slaves did it.
and what i have written is not a load of bull, im a bit of a history buff, this is what ive picked up over the years.

.god.....my spelling really was shocking there.......i appologise.........it was a fast post
maybe i need to take the mods advice and proofread before i hit send....lol