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Old 05-14-2008, 11:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Rev. Jeremiah Wright

I couldn't believe he didn't have a thread all to himself yet. I found an editorial piece in "National Review" that I thought I'd share.

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Barack Obama made what his admirers consider an epochal speech on race in Philadelphia this March. So Obama's longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who very much admires himself, decided to make his own epochal speech to the National Press Club in Washington.

Reverend Wright complained that the hostile media have chopped his thought up into sound bites, and then repeated all the bites. HIV may well be a government plot to slaughter black people ("I believe we are capable"). We had it coming on 9/11 ("You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you"). Louis Farrakhan, the racist crackpot with a science-fiction religion, "is not my enemy." Farrakhan's view of Israel is "the same thing United Nations resolutions say, the same thing now that President Carter is being vilified for" (he got that one right). Like the Roman Empire in Jesus's day, "we run the world." The reverend's worldview is an intoxicated mix of despair and narcissism: White America is corrupt and all-powerful, and can only be shaken by an endless chorus of complaint, led by Afrocentric divines. There might be some Christianity mixed up in all this detritus, and someone might even find salvation in it. But such a disciple will have troupble persuading the electorate to make him president.

Jeremiah Wright is not going anywhere. He is a newly retired geezer with the national spotlight on him; these are his lifetime victory laps. Can his parishioner and spiritual son, Barack Obama, get away from him? Obama had the chance to cut the cord when Hurrican Wright first blew in March, but, while criticizing certain of Wright's views, he said he could no more disown him than he could disown his white grandmother. Wright is Obama's family, and more. Obama needed Wright when he was a young community organizer and nascent pol to give him street cred; he needed him, at a deeper level, to replace his deadbeat Kenyan father and his hippie-screwball white mother. Most people say, at one time or another, with gratitude or resignation, "You can't choose your parents." Obama chose this parent.

Obama tried valiantly to squelch this latest eruption. "When he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS...there are no excuses." Wright's bleats "offend me. They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced." Politics sometimes requires those who play the game to betray their nearest and dearest, and themselves. Even the politics of hope.
So...my questions are:

1) Do you think Obama's association with Rev. Wright will hurt his chances of being the Democratic nominee? If he becomes the nominee, do you feel his reputation might be damaged enough by his association with Wright to lose him the election?

2) What is your general opinion on Rev. Wright's comments? Further, what is your opinion on how long it took Obama to fully denounce Wright's comments?
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I've tried not to pay too much attention to Rev Wright, and I've certainly tried not to associate his views with those of Obama.

There are plenty of people who preach hatred and racism. Rev Wright is just one of them. I have yet to figure out why people think Obama shares the same views as Rev. Wright.

I know plenty of people whose views of the world I do not share. But I certainly consider them friends, even if I think they are racist and/or narrow minded in some things. So, why should my opinion of Obama change because he knows someone who has such views?

I think Obama didn't speak out sooner because he was hoping it would all go away. And I think the Clinton campaign did everything they could to make a big deal about all of this, when there really isn't one.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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People can most definitely be judged by the company they keep. Obama sat in this guys church for 20 years and watched him spew anti-American hate speech. He wasn't only his preacher, but his close friend and mentor. Add that to his friendship with Bill Ayers(an unrepentant terrorist), and it spells bad news for Obama.

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I think Obama didn't speak out sooner because he was hoping it would all go away.
Then add just being plain stupid to his poor character judgement also. He should realize when you run for president your past life is going to be looked into like gang busters.

Imagine if John McCain had a very close friend/preacher who was a former KKK member, and went on tirades about the black man. Haha, he would be eaten alive.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think it's REALLY WEIRD that the Obamas went to this guy's church, were married by him, had their children batised by him, and through ALL THAT TIME they had no inkling that he held such controversial views. I really think that if your pastor spewed that kind of hatred, you'd kind of stop going to the church and toting them as your mentor and close friend. I know lots of people don't agree with everything their pastor says/believes, but this guy is like way off base with his opinions. I just find it strange that Obama was in such good company with the guy for so long and had no idea, lol.

But it doesn't change the fact that people still hate Clinton... so will it hurt his chances? Maybe a little, but will it hurt him more than Clinton will be hurt being a Clinton? Probably not.

It actually seemed to me like Rev. Wright had a personal bone to pick with Obama which is why he pulled his little speech when he did. Whatever though... Obama's got support that just seems to come from any where, so I'm sure the guy's going to be fine. People love him.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:17 PM   #5 (permalink)
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But it doesn't change the fact that people still hate Clinton... so will it hurt his chances? Maybe a little, but will it hurt him more than Clinton will be hurt being a Clinton? Probably not.
I think if this comes out in January or February, Clinton easily wins the nomination.

This will follow and give Obama fits all the way to November. Republicans will have a field day. And he has no one to blame but himself. If he leaves the church 10, hell even 5 years ago, like Oprah did, probably a non-issue.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think if this comes out in January or February, Clinton easily wins the nomination.

This will follow and give Obama fits all the way to November. Republicans will have a field day. And he has no one to blame but himself. If he leaves the church 10, hell even 5 years ago, like Oprah did, probably a non-issue.
It's actually looking very bad for Clinton in terms of getting the nomination. CNN.com reported today that Edwards is backing Obama since he's having a hard time getting that white middle class vote. Obama also took the lead in superdelegates not too long ago. I'll find it impressive if the Republicans DON'T manage to eat him alive.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:40 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It's actually looking very bad for Clinton in terms of getting the nomination. CNN.com reported today that Edwards is backing Obama since he's having a hard time getting that white middle class vote. Obama also took the lead in superdelegates not too long ago. I'll find it impressive if the Republicans DON'T manage to eat him alive.
Hillary is riot. She has a slim to none chance of winning. But she's gonna stay in till the end to bash Obama as much as she can in hopes he'll lose to McCain, thus keeping her chances for a 2012 bid alive.

She's also hoping for a huge gaff from Obama that would sway the rest of the superdelegates to side with her. Which is freakin' hilarious, because she keeps touting she's staying in because "EVERY VOTE COUNTS", but if she does somehow pull out the nod by getting the SD's, it would be essentially overriding the peoples popular vote. Lawl.
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Yes, pretty much the party has screwed themselves (again! har har Democrats). They're going to have another hard time winning a presidency that was virtually gift-wrapped for them. Only the Democrats could take a sure thing and ruin it.
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I think that 'Rev. Wright' may indeed be right on a lot of things, except the Afrocentric stuff. But I am a KOOK, of course.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Here's the thing... this is just one more case of "Do we vote for someone simply because he's black, and turn a blind eye to everything else?"

We've already talked about Obama's admitted drug abuse, we've talked about his *wife's* hate speech and anti-white views... now we have Obama's mentor and minister bellowing all kinds of hatred, and we're supposed to turn a blind eye to it because "it would make history to have a black president!"... but at what cost?

It really cracks me up, too, becuase Mr. Wright is completely unapologetic about his views. I mean, the whole exchange boils down to:

Wright: white man = devil
Media: "Obama supporter calls the white man the devil"
Obama: No, no, no, you heard him wrong.. his comments were taken out of context... oh, and it's time for Change!
Democratic party: That's right... he couldn't have meant that! Look! We're running a black guy and a woman for President! That's cool!
Wright: No, you all heard me right the first time, white man = devil.
Obama/Dems: D'oh! *egg on face* Ummm... we don't know him, he's not with us.

The more I read, the more I honestly think that an Obama administration would be one of the most divisive and destructive in American history. This guy has no plan or platform except "change!", which is meaningless to me. There are a lot of things that would constitute "change"; for example throwing out the constitution would be a big change. Doesn't mean we should do it. Tell me something concrete other than "it's time for change." Then look at the company he keeps - biggots and racists. And if he does get elected, and starts pushing his afro-centric agenda to "level the playing field", which has historically meant doling out hand-outs to certain minorities, who do you think is going to foot the bill for these entitlement programs? Stand by for massive tax increases. The simple fact is, you *are* judged by the company you keep, and Obama hasn't been keeping very good company. But by all means, let's pretend otherwise because it would be nifty to have a black president.

It's a load of crap is what it is. I think we should demand more from a potential president. This guy shouldn't even be in the running, and if he weren't a well-spoken black man, he wouldn't be.
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