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Fairy.org · 12-16-2003, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatUnimportant

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Originally Posted by LittleFairydotORG

And in one of your post, I fully agree. Evanescence is an inspiration, but its so much better when it's original, I think people in this forum have killed the evanescence idea :shock:

:shock: even though its not writing, i shall make sure not to post any more covers...sorry...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *COUHG* omgomgomggomgogmgmgomgogmogmg

I mean the writing, a lot of people have worn out the idea of taking an evanescence song and making it.. a poem. There is just so many ways you can turn those words around to make them beautiful

*tackles you until you do Field Of Innocence***

MutantQuasar · 12-16-2003, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleFairydotORG

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Originally Posted by ThatUnimportant

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Originally Posted by LittleFairydotORG

And in one of your post, I fully agree. Evanescence is an inspiration, but its so much better when it's original, I think people in this forum have killed the evanescence idea :shock:

:shock: even though its not writing, i shall make sure not to post any more covers...sorry...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *COUHG* omgomgomggomgogmgmgomgogmogmg

I mean the writing, a lot of people have worn out the idea of taking an evanescence song and making it.. a poem. There is just so many ways you can turn those words around to make them beautiful

*tackles you until you do Field Of Innocence***

Ill do the guitar and bass if someone wants to record the piano.

lostandalone32 · 12-30-2003, 08:50 AM

i understand where ur coming from dev. But i am guilty of a couple of nice posts like that myself. However, i do try to add why i like or dislike for any reason.
Simply because it helps them improve by knowing their faults or weaknesses. Also, when u submit work, i want a lot of proper feedback. Not being mean but having someone post "They are good" Doesn't cut it.
On the other hand if someone posts "Its good, but it the words i so and so paragraph could be improved" Atleast i've been told my faults.
Thanks for posting Dev. I know we ain't seen eye to eye, if u remember, but you rock so keep up the excellent posts, they help us see right and wrong on the god damn forum!

Thanks again

xxbye byexx

That70sBrandon · 01-07-2004, 07:11 PM

Dev, you read my mind. I only look for responses from people like blueorchids637 at this point.

Eldritch · 01-13-2004, 09:51 AM

I think there are many different aspects contributing to the writing and critiquing environment.

First, in some instances people aren’t writing for their ‘work’ to be digested and appreciated. They are placing things they want to say (real life highs and lows) in just a different form, hoping it will be paid attention to. And, because many others are feeling the same or going through the same it is a shared experience (and has the tell-tale one line comments). I’m not entirely sure that is actually ‘writing’ poetry or the like.

In other instances, people aren’t really interested in having their writing actually and critically scrutinized. It is far easier to put something out there and get pleasant surface comments. Everyone wants validation, so I don’t think there’s much fault to be had.

In still other instances, people reading the writings of others lack the ability or experience to dissect what they’ve read and offer substantive commentary. Therefore, they are limited to not commenting or posting something general and complimentary.

In a way, much of what is posted here should maybe be more appropriate for the Whine and Cheese forum. This is not a bad thing, but I just don’t think some of the writing is for writing’s sake.

Like some others, I very much want to be a published writer some day. However, my interest and my forte lie not in poetry but fiction. I’m also at the point in my development where I’d rather have critical commentary instead of positive validation. I seek ways to get better and to convey what’s in my head more descriptively.

When I’ve gotten involved in writing forums of differing sites, the more serious writers tend to do some specific things. First, they read and attempt to substantively highlight what works and what doesn’t for their fellow writers. Second, they want to get better and STRETCH. This is why writing challenges are so enjoyable and engaging. To force a writer out of their comfort zone and witness them excel is joyful. To do so personally can be a big achievement. I suggested such a thing months ago and there was little response. I am not certain the lion’s share of the contributors to this forum is serious enough to really enlist and engage the wealth of knowledge and experience that simply exists here.

I am not sure what kind of fixes would be effective, but a start might be to consider creating another forum or a certain ‘group’ within this forum for serious writers who want to go about writing seriously. I think anything like that would at least interest me more to not only contribute but comment. Personally, I would like to see more interest in fiction as well.

**buffyfan** · 02-02-2004, 11:44 PM

Your totally right Dev. I myself am guilty of doing that. However I do try and say what I liked. And If I didn't like the poem I usually don't post. Cuz I feel bad telling somone the poem sucked. I was taught if you cant say anything nice then dont say anything at all. So I will change my ways and post more elaborately. Thanks for the heads up. Usually the quick posts are just to say i read it. I usually talk to them about it later.

§hattered.Dream§ · 02-03-2004, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dev

you guys suck. yeah, that's right, i said it. a writer comes to this forum and all you respond with is "good job! keep up the good work!" wtf are you people, kindergarten teachers?

You know, for once dev.. i agree with you *hides*... lol i hate it when you ask for feedback and you get a "good job" pos line back. How bout we.. i dunno.. tell us why you thought it was good.. or what we can do to change it.. or what sucks what doesnt .. but please use comments that are acutally worth reading! for god's sake ppl we're not 2.. we all know that language! let's try using it.. rather than giving ppl reason to call us .. "special" for example..act educated.. it may hurt at first.. but it gets easier as you go! i promise!

**ZER0** · 02-03-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by §hattered.Dream§

You know, for once dev.. i agree with you *hides*... lol i hate it when you ask for feedback and you get a "good job" pos line back. How bout we.. i dunno.. tell us why you thought it was good.. or what we can do to change it.. or what sucks what doesnt .. but please use comments that are acutally worth reading! for god's sake ppl we're not 2.. we all know that language! let's try using it.. rather than giving ppl reason to call us .. "special" for example..act educated.. it may hurt at first.. but it gets easier as you go! i promise!

you sure you don't wanna report me? just for old times' sake?

**PaleIsBeautiful** · 02-06-2004, 01:25 PM

The critiquing problem isn't only limited to the poems and writing. Granted, you can only say "you should try..." so many times with a picture or drawing, but still. If someone likes/hates some's artwork they need to say why and if they can, supply some tips/ideas to either improve the original or to help out with future work.

§hattered.Dream§ · 02-06-2004, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dev

you sure you don't wanna report me? just for old times' sake?

bite me, bite me hard ! lol

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12-30-2003, 08:50 AM	#23 (permalink)
lostandalone32 Member of the Banned PERMA BANNED Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Scotland Age: 19 Posts: 75 Points: 152.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 152.00 Donate	i understand where ur coming from dev. But i am guilty of a couple of nice posts like that myself. However, i do try to add why i like or dislike for any reason. Simply because it helps them improve by knowing their faults or weaknesses. Also, when u submit work, i want a lot of proper feedback. Not being mean but having someone post "They are good" Doesn't cut it. On the other hand if someone posts "Its good, but it the words i so and so paragraph could be improved" Atleast i've been told my faults. Thanks for posting Dev. I know we ain't seen eye to eye, if u remember, but you rock so keep up the excellent posts, they help us see right and wrong on the god damn forum! Thanks again xxbye byexx

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That70sBrandon Member of the Banned PERMA BANNED Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 145 Points: 153.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 153.00 Donate	Dev, you read my mind. I only look for responses from people like blueorchids637 at this point.

01-13-2004, 09:51 AM	#25 (permalink)
Eldritch Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 37 Points: 100.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 100.00 Donate	I think there are many different aspects contributing to the writing and critiquing environment. First, in some instances people aren’t writing for their ‘work’ to be digested and appreciated. They are placing things they want to say (real life highs and lows) in just a different form, hoping it will be paid attention to. And, because many others are feeling the same or going through the same it is a shared experience (and has the tell-tale one line comments). I’m not entirely sure that is actually ‘writing’ poetry or the like. In other instances, people aren’t really interested in having their writing actually and critically scrutinized. It is far easier to put something out there and get pleasant surface comments. Everyone wants validation, so I don’t think there’s much fault to be had. In still other instances, people reading the writings of others lack the ability or experience to dissect what they’ve read and offer substantive commentary. Therefore, they are limited to not commenting or posting something general and complimentary. In a way, much of what is posted here should maybe be more appropriate for the Whine and Cheese forum. This is not a bad thing, but I just don’t think some of the writing is for writing’s sake. Like some others, I very much want to be a published writer some day. However, my interest and my forte lie not in poetry but fiction. I’m also at the point in my development where I’d rather have critical commentary instead of positive validation. I seek ways to get better and to convey what’s in my head more descriptively. When I’ve gotten involved in writing forums of differing sites, the more serious writers tend to do some specific things. First, they read and attempt to substantively highlight what works and what doesn’t for their fellow writers. Second, they want to get better and STRETCH. This is why writing challenges are so enjoyable and engaging. To force a writer out of their comfort zone and witness them excel is joyful. To do so personally can be a big achievement. I suggested such a thing months ago and there was little response. I am not certain the lion’s share of the contributors to this forum is serious enough to really enlist and engage the wealth of knowledge and experience that simply exists here. I am not sure what kind of fixes would be effective, but a start might be to consider creating another forum or a certain ‘group’ within this forum for serious writers who want to go about writing seriously. I think anything like that would at least interest me more to not only contribute but comment. Personally, I would like to see more interest in fiction as well.

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